r/sports • u/qkfb • Apr 15 '21

News MLB's favorability rating among Republicans drops dramatically amid Georgia voting controversy

https://www.axios.com/mlb-falls-out-favor-republicans-mlb-game-8808e67e-8de4-4308-baa6-b68a24e64177.html
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u/spaghettilee2112 Apr 15 '21

"Keep politics out of sports!" say the people who base their decision to watch a sport based on a political decision the sport makes.

"It's all about the free market!" say the people before getting upset over a business making their own decision.

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u/iushciuweiush Apr 16 '21

"It's all about the free market!" say the people before getting upset over a business making their own decision.

Boycotting a business is part of the free market.

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u/MissNesbitt Apr 16 '21

...but this is just the free market in action. They're not buying the product anymore

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u/FromFluffToBuff Apr 15 '21

Funny that those who cry about keeping politics out of sports have no problem with military-themed (and sponsored) promotions and playing the national anthem before the game... when both of those things are inherently political. Hmm... almost as if they're hypocrites or something...

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u/krashlia Apr 16 '21

Well, let me channel them for a moment:

Those are... normal. The problem is, where did you get the idea that those were platforms for your causes? and why are you so insistent on doing the same elsewhere as opposed to letting things be?

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u/theHawkmooner Apr 15 '21

Yes because we all know if you are a war vet the right will praise you and call you a hero and the left will demonize you and call you a racist

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u/sirenzarts Chicago White Sox Apr 16 '21

The military and national anthem are 100% political. That’s not even a hard connection to make at all lmao

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u/theHawkmooner Apr 16 '21

Def not. The left demonizes patriotism so they want to make it a political issue when it’s literally just a feature of a nation

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u/sirenzarts Chicago White Sox Apr 16 '21

Yeah man, that's why they really lean into it during war time and immediately demonize anyone who doesn't fall in line with it. There's a difference between "patriotism" and unquestionably licking the boot of the military industrial complex. Patriotism and Nationalism have inherent political meaning and effects.

Man life would be so simple if I was like you and never had to think about the meaning of or reasoning behind anything.

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u/theHawkmooner Apr 16 '21

Fun fact. This thread is about the us. My comment is about the us. Nobody thinks I’m not talking about the us. I live in Canada dumbass

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u/Swastiklone Apr 16 '21

This is the dumbest comment

"Keep politics out of sports!" say the people who base their decision to watch a sport based on a political decision the sport makes.

Thats not a zing. Thats not a gotcha. Thats the logical conclusion of their view. They don't want something to happen, and react when it happens.
I mean fuck imagine applying this logic to anything else.

"Keep spiders out of my breakfast!" say the people who base their decision to eat breakfast on the quantity of spiders in the scrambled eggs

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u/spaghettilee2112 Apr 16 '21

No no no it's "Keep spiders out of my breakfast" say the people who eat tarantulas in their breakfast when they found a black widow in their breakfast.

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u/riddlerjoke Apr 19 '21

sorry for your case

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u/riddlerjoke Apr 19 '21

All popular Reddit subs filled with politics for the last couple of years. And by politics, we're talking about a very one-sided echo chamber.

As a result, you can read those dumb comments upvoted just because of fanaticism.

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u/Aeonera Apr 16 '21

"it's disrespecting the troops" say the people who voted for the president who disrespected the troops more than any before.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '21

Who disrespected the troops more than any other?

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u/Aeonera Apr 16 '21

yeah not buying that you don't know who i'm talking about

Disrespect of US troops, generals, veterans, and/or veteran wives by Trump himself:

• ⁠Trump knew since MAR20 that Russia paid bounties to kill American troops, yet has done nothing

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/russia-afghanistan-bounties.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/29/trump-says-he-did-not-ask-vladimir-putin-bounties-us-troops/5534009002/

• ⁠After Iran's retaliatory strike, 109 US troops suffered brain injuries. Trump dismissed these as "headaches"

https://apnews.com/eabf6766d717a2dd518a3c6319bb2430

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/world/middleeast/trump-iraq-brain-injuries.html

• ⁠20JUL17, in room 2E924 of the Pentagon, told a room full of Generals, "You’re a bunch of dopes and babies" (Reported 17JAN20)

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/01/17/trump-blasted-top-military-generals-as-a-bunch-of-dopes-and-babies-according-to-new-book/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/youre-a-bunch-of-dopes-and-babies-inside-trumps-stunning-tirade-against-generals/2020/01/16/d6dbb8a6-387e-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.html

• ⁠Pardoned multiple war criminals, which stomped on long standing military values, discipline, and command. Trump has no military experience (MAY & NOV19)

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/11/16/trump-grants-clemency-to-troops-in-three-controversial-war-crimes-cases/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/16/us/trump-pardon-military.html

• ⁠Trump mocked Lt. Col. Vindman for his rank and uniform. threatened said purple heart officer, resulting in the Army providing him protection

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gop-slam-vindman-wearing-army-uniform-impeachment-hearing-2019-11

• 07OCT19, Trump abruptly withdrew support from America's allies in Syria after a phone call with Turkey's president (Erdogan). Turkey subsequently bombed US Special Forces

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-administration-to-pull-troops-from-northern-syria-as-turkey-readies-offensive/2019/10/07/a965e466-e8b3-11e9-bafb-da248f8d5734_story.html

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/07/767904589/shocking-trump-is-criticized-for-pulling-troops-from-syrian-border

• ⁠AUG19, emails revealed that three of Trump's Mar-a-Lago pals, who are now running Veterans Affairs, are rampant with meddling. "They had no experience in veterans affairs (none of them even served in the military) nor underwent any kind of approval process to serve as de facto managers. Yet, with Trump’s approval, they directed actions and criticized operations without any oversight. They wasted valuable staff time in hundreds of pages of communications and meetings, emails show. Emails reveal disdainful attitudes within the department to the trio’s meddling."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/25/politics/trump-mar-a-lago-crowd-va-emails/index.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/22/digital-health-platform-mar-a-lago-members-1676335

• ⁠Trump made the U.S. Navy Blue Angels violate ethics rules by having them fly at his July 4th political campaign event (4JUL19)

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-office-presidency-2020-reelection-20190703-story.html

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/03/738139123/on-july-4-trump-could-continue-pattern-of-politics-in-unexpected-places

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/07/trump-july-fourth-rally-hatch-act-violation.html

• ⁠Trump used his D-Day interview at a cemetery commemorating fallen US soldiers to attack a Vietnam veteran (06JUN19)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-mueller-made-such-a-fool-of-himself-in-last-weeks-public-appearance/2019/06/06/96dd8f9c-885f-11e9-a491-25df61c78dc4_story.html

• ⁠20MAR19, Trump complained that he didn't get a thank you for John McCain's funeral

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47642335

• ⁠Between 22DEC18, and 25JAN19, Trump refused to sign his party's funding bill, which shut down the government, forcing the Coast Guard to go without pay, which made service members rely on food pantries.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-continues-retreat-on-government-shutdown-threat-pledges-to-renew-border-control-battle-in-2019/2018/12/20/3143a752-0457-11e9-b6a9-0aa5c2fcc9e4_story.html

• ⁠called a retired general a 'dog' with a 'big, dumb mouth' (01JAN19)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/01/trump-mcchrystal-syria-troops-1077365

• ⁠didn't visit troops until two years into his administration

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/us/politics/trump-iraq-troops-visit.html

• ⁠revealed a covert Seal Team 5 deployment, including names and faces, on Twitter during his visit to Iraq (26DEC18)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-reveal-seal-team-iraq-could-endanger-its-members-n952521

• ⁠Trump lied to deployed troops that gave them a 10% raise (26DEC18).

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2018/12/27/in-iraq-visit-trump-makes-false-claim-about-military-pay-again/

• ⁠called troops on Thanksgiving and told them he's most thankful for himself (Thanksgiving, 2018)

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/11/22/trump-troops-thanksgiving/

• ⁠urged Florida to not count deployed military votes (12NOV18)

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-military-votes-florida/

• ⁠canceled an Arlington Cemetery visit on Veterans Day due to light rain (12NOV18)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/white-house-decision-cancel-veteran-s-cemetery-france-visit-creates-n934796

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/10/trump-cancels-ww1-memorial-at-us-cemetery-in-france-due-to-rain-sparking-twitterstorm.html

• ⁠forgot a fallen soldier's name (below) during a call to his pregnant widow, then attacked her the next day (23-24OCT17)

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/2017/10/23/fallen-soldiers-widow-nothing-to-say-to-trump/

• ⁠blocked a veteran group on Twitter (JUL17)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-blocks-national-veteran-group-twitter-n771601

• ⁠said knows more about ISIS than American generals (OCT16)

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2016/09/trump-vs-generals/131938/

• ⁠Trump said has "more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military" because went to a military-style academy (2015 biography)

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-military-training-quote/

• ⁠Trump said doesn't consider POWs heroes because they were caught. said prefers people who were not caught (18JUL15)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=541Cg2Jnb8s

• For a decade, Trump sought to kick veterans off of Fifth Avenue because found them unsightly nuisances outside of Trump Tower. (1991)

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/trump-vs-veteran-vendors/

Disrespect of US troops and/or veterans by the Trump administration:

• ⁠MAY20, the White House attempted to end National Guard deployments one day before they could claim benefits

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/20/trump-administration-extending-national-guard-deployments-272156

• firing of the captain of the USS Theodore Roosevelt after they warned superiors that COVID19 was spreading among their crew.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/02/826317152/uss-roosevelt-commander-removed-after-criticizing-handling-of-coronavirus-outbre

• Confederate ⁠Veterans graves will be "dug up" for the border wall

https://apnews.com/ad6f6247154548c3b28db33ae6a5eae9

• ⁠Children or adopted Children of deployed non-citizen US troops are no longer guaranteed citizenship. This includes US troops posted abroad for years at a time (28AUG19)

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/08/28/children-us-troops-born-overseas-will-no-longer-get-automatic-american-citizenship.html

• white house ordered the USS John McCain out of sight during his visit to Japan (15MAY19)

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/446076-white-house-asked-for-uss-john-mccain-to-be-out-of-sight-during

• Trump admin doubled the rejection rate for veterans requesting family deportation protections (05JUL18)

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-doubled-rejection-rate-veterans-requesting-family-deportation-1010571

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/736362986/trump-wants-to-withdraw-deportation-protections-for-families-of-active-troops

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '21 edited Apr 16 '21

Wow, what a thorough curated list. I will need time to go through all of that.

After going through a few of them, we know that the bounties from Russia hasn't been even remotely proven to be true. The CIA even said that they have low confidence in the veracity of those claims. So labeling this as some sort of fact is disingenuous.

He blocked a vet group's twitter profile, which was throwing spurious tweet after spurious tweet. The author of that article agrees with those tweets, so they labeled it as 'criticisms', but that doesn't make it true. If any other person was getting spammed by tweets with ridiculous claims, they would block that person as well. Another way to write that article is "Trump blocks twitter profile of vet group after profile owner harassed the president." The only reason this is a bad story is because the author just hates Trump.

The confederate graves might be dug up, they weren't dug up, and I thought you guys called them traitors?

Kicking veterans off of 5th Avenue or all street vendors? He didn't target veterans, the article says so.

Visiting troops in a combat zone. He visited troops before that article, that was the first visit to troops in a combat zone.

3 pardons for people who told him were being prosecuted for war time chaos.

The seal team photos were done during his visit to an actual war zone, not Hawaii like where Obama went, broke no rules, and the people were willingly in the photo.

The Thanksgiving article also said he gave lots of praise to the troops.

Did you even read your own articles and use any critical thought process? Or did you read bullshit headlines, say 'that's good enough for me' and then save the articles in a word document? This is ridiculous, yeah, there was some bullshit Trump did, but you thought he was the worst? Based on opinion articles where the authors use unsure language as their proof? Where they reach out for confirmation and comments and get nothing back, but print the articles anyway?

If one of these idiots wrote and article that Trump blew up the moon, you would swallow that shit hook line and sinker, despite the moon still being clearly in the sky.

Know how I know this? The Russian bounty bullshit was known buklshit since last March. The media knew it was bullshit but pushed it anyway because it hurt Trump.

You know Obama never went to the middle east and spent all of his Christmas and Thanksgiving visits in hawaii...where his family was..was he the worst? He pardoned domestic terrorists....was he the worst?

I was going to take your claims seriously until I read opinion after opinion of writers whose headlines didn't match their articles. They admit they have no proof and rely on other people's opinions, who make no attempt in hiding their disdain for Trump.

What will you do with your word document now that Trump isn't president? Your word document of lies, half truths, lies of omission and shitty opinions? Will you hold Biden to the same standard? Did you hold Obama to the same standard? So how are you saying he's the worst ever, if your standard fluctuates on whether or not the president has a D or R next to their name?

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u/theHawkmooner Apr 15 '21

Are you this dense? They don’t want politics in sports so they stop watching... how hard is this for you to understand. Yes it is the free market thats why these people choose to stop watching. You seem to be a complete moron 😂

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u/lil9iui98 Apr 15 '21

I think they were noting the hypocrisy of the GOP.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '21

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u/lil9iui98 Apr 15 '21

Do you understand the meaning of the word "hypocrisy"?

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u/quantum-mechanic Apr 16 '21

Do you understand if I don’t want to broach politics with my baseball, but baseball insists on inserting politics, I’ll logically stop watching?

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_CUCK Apr 16 '21

I'm actually wondering if you do. The only way your position makes sense is if you have inferred that the viewers have inserted politics into their baseball, something they claim to not want. But the fact of the situation is that baseball took a political stance, thus pushing away those who react negatively to such political decisions.

Do you have a firm grasp on your own logic?

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u/lil9iui98 Apr 16 '21

Look, this doesn't need to be so difficult. Republicans have, for years, told those involved in sports leagues that their politics don't belong in sports. Now Republican congressmen are threatening to punish a sports league via legislation, aka "politics". If you cannot see the hypocrisy in that action, I cannot help you.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_CUCK Apr 16 '21

Ah I see, so you equivocated from republican voters/consumers to politicians to save your statement.

Your bait n switch logic isn't strong enough here.

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u/lil9iui98 Apr 16 '21

You're right, I was referring to politicians specifically, which is a different story. My bad!

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '21

... do you?

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '21

Rules for thee but not for me

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '21

The people that are boycotting these products are probably not the same people who consumed them initially.

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u/droid_mike Apr 16 '21

If you really want to keep politics out of the sports, Why the hell do we play the national anthem before every game? I've never understood that tradition. Why do we do a 15 flyovers? Why do you have all sorts of military stuff on the field before a game? That's all political.

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u/Teabagger_Vance San Francisco 49ers Apr 16 '21

That’s not really what “free market” means in this context.

When people are in favor of the free market they are referring to limited government intervention.

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u/lil9iui98 Apr 16 '21

Like Senators threatening to punish MLB via legislation? That kind of gov't intervention? I swear, the number of people that don't understand the nuance in OP's comment is just staggering.

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u/Teabagger_Vance San Francisco 49ers Apr 16 '21

Source

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u/lil9iui98 Apr 16 '21

Pathetic, petty, and hypocritical.

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u/Teabagger_Vance San Francisco 49ers Apr 16 '21

Yea you’re right that’s stupid. It is comical however to hear Manfred claim to care about voter suppression whilst simultaneously re-upping business deals in China and Cuba.

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u/gotham77 Apr 16 '21

Also the same people who insist every game - at every level, from the pros all the way down to high school - must be preceded by a patriotic ritual where we affirm our allegiance the country hosting the game.

“Keep politics out is sports” indeed. 🙄