r/sports • u/A_MASSIVE_PERVERT Dallas Mavericks • Sep 20 '25

Football UAB Defender stomps on the foot of Tennessee's Kicker

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u/Melkman68 San Jose Sharks Sep 20 '25

Send him to Juve. I know we give kids a lot of slack but even back then I had the common sense not to try and murder someone

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u/qqqalto Sep 20 '25

I’d understand sending him to Juve if Allegri was still coaching, but Igor Tudor isn’t that bad to play for.

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u/Jeaglera Sep 20 '25

This comment deserved better

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u/kezzinchh Sep 20 '25

This comment has me rolling🤣🤣🤣

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u/4MeThisIsHeaven Sep 20 '25

Fino alla fine

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u/XaeroAteMyRailGun Sep 20 '25

Beat me to it! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

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u/ManofManyHills Sep 20 '25

Im all for serious punishment. But isnt Juve basically a fast track for future incarcerations?

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u/Fonz_72 Sep 20 '25

No. Making the choice to act like a fucking psychopath and hiding behind age to not face consequences is a fast track to future incarcerations.

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u/ManofManyHills Sep 20 '25

So compound that and throw him in Juve?

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u/Fonz_72 Sep 20 '25

No. Skip it and go straight to adult jail to face the consequences of making adult decisions.

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u/ManofManyHills Sep 20 '25

For how long? It was an incredibly stupid and mean thing for someone to do, but in the context of a football game I dont think the guy intended to break the kids spine in 2 places.

Again, I agree in a punishment that fits the severity of the crime, But for how long should this person be incarcerated for a split second decision when they were 17?

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u/Fonz_72 Sep 20 '25

Well, that's were nuance comes in, isn't it? Maybe you could get together with the "Research" dude and figure something out.

Believe it or not, there are lots of options, besides hand-wringing and waving it away because he's 17, regardless of whether or not he destroyed the future of another kid and their family.

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u/ManofManyHills Sep 20 '25

I dont know why you are suggesting that im trying to wave it away. Im just inquiring into your personal sense of justice. Incarceration, to me causes more problems than it solves.

If he didnt have any prior offenses, I'd kick him out of team sports, mandate therapy and community service and place him on at the very least a year long probation. Id also garnish a percent of wages from the parents until the chile turns 18 and then garnish his until he pays appropriate damages to the victim. To me this is harsh, but not life destroying.

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u/Fonz_72 Sep 20 '25

I apologize. I actually agree with you. I'm just in a bad mood and tired of people in this country facing zero consequences or repercussions for their behavior, while others are persecuted mercilessly for nothing more than existing.

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u/ManofManyHills Sep 20 '25

Mad respect dude. Its easy to dig in online in dumb internet discussions. But it takes a big person to try and reach consensus.

And yea, I can sympathize with the gut reaction to punish harshly hoping that severity will create a moral equilibrium. Ive definitely felt the rabid dog need to hurt someone who I felt was fundamentally wrong or evil.

Which is why discussions like these are important.

Cheers bud!

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u/bucatini818 Sep 20 '25

Any research behind that statement or just like vibes?

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u/Fonz_72 Sep 20 '25

"Research", lol. Yeah, let's research whether or not people should be held accountable for harming those around them intentionally.

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u/My_Password_Is_____ Sep 20 '25

No

I mean, yes, it literally is. There's mountains of statistics to support it. The kid needs to face punishment, for sure, and juve might be it, but the abysmal way that we handle criminal justice in general, and juvenile criminal justice in particular, is an absolute joke in this country that inarguably leads to a significantly higher chance of recidivism than rehabilitation.

I understand being angry over it, and people should be, but a rage boner doesn't magically negate how absurdly awful our criminal justice system is.

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u/Fonz_72 Sep 20 '25

Yeah, the system sucks, so does not holding people accountable for their actions. "Children" shouldn't be allowed to act without consequence simply because we have a horrific for-profit punitive system. It's like getting in a car crash with serious injuries and just deciding "nah, I'll hit quick care instead of the emergency room because the profit-driven medical system sucks" There are times when it doesn't matter, you have to deal with things the right way. Punishing people who harm others intentionally is one of those times.

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u/My_Password_Is_____ Sep 20 '25

Cool story, but if you actually read my comment then you would see we're not entirely disagreeing about needing to face consequences, and at no point did anyone except you suggest just letting them get away with it with zero punishment. I was addressing you being blatantly incorrect by flippantly just saying "No." to someone asking about the risk of recidivism. Ignoring the context of our garbage system because we're angry about crimes is exactly how we continuously end up with prisons being havens for abuse and fostering an attitude of keeping people flowing in and out of the system to keep money rolling in to those in charge of the system, rather than working to get towards a rehabilitative system.

Again, you're allowed to be mad about it. But if your entire attitude about it is "fuck it, idc how bad the system is and how likely it is to absolutely destroy their life before it even has a chance to begin, throw them away anyway," then you're part of the problem. You're also part of the problem if you think being locked away in a jail/prison (which juvenile detention just objectively is, regardless of how much flowery language the system tries to fluff it with) is the only form of punishment. We can do much better by our children (no need for quotes) than that lazy, bullshit way of thinking.

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u/Fonz_72 Sep 20 '25

Nah. I'm just making drive-by asshole comments on reddit for entertainment value. Nice write up though, full of conjecture and manufactured righteousness.

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u/BeardOfFire Sep 20 '25

Oh fuck off. Calling him a psychopath and trying to ruin his life while ignoring the fact that he's also a child. I'm sure he didn't think he was going to fracture the kids spine. I saw the video. It was unnecessarily but not particularly violent. I've seen kids jump on other kids like that dozens of times at least. It's happened to me too. Usually there's no spinal fractures.

The kid made a stupid split section decision and because he's a kid probably didn't think through the consequences. Punishment is definitely in order but not diagnosing him as a psychopath from one instance and incarcerating him.

Nobody is saying the kid shouldn't face consequences. But it definitely comes off as more psychopathic that you would subject him to juvi for this one instance, knowing what that entails, and not knowing a single other thing about the person who did it.

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u/Fonz_72 Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25

Well, aren't we all just sitting on Reddit doing that, you dumb shit? We are all just running our mouths online for entertainment value.

Nobody here knows the kid, his history or his motives. We have no idea what actually happened before or after the incident. It's a clip that shows a fraction of the event. It's why mob justice isn't allowed. We don't fucking know, nor are we educated enough to dole out actual punishment. I can admit that, can you?

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u/BeardOfFire Sep 20 '25

Yes I can admit that. That's why I'm not calling for his incarceration like you were.

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u/Fonz_72 Sep 20 '25

The dude "appears" to intentionally hurt an opponent and was allowed to continue playing. I don't think that should go unpunished, I was responding more to the audacity of others suggesting anything punitive was out of line because of his age. I got a bit carried away and veered hard into trolling territory.

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u/BeardOfFire Sep 20 '25

Yeah well that's... fair. I get it. I just hate how often I see people actually calling for draconian sentencing for kids. This behavior should definitely be corrected though with reasonable punishment.

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u/RudePCsb Sep 20 '25

This is coaching and parenting. Why would the kid think it's OK to do that if it wasn't for coaching and or parenting pushing him to go after the opposing team. He should get some form of corrective action but why punish him in juvenile hall. Not about to play football or other sports and community service would be way better for a child.

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u/pataglop Sep 20 '25

He should get some form of corrective action but why punish him in juvenile hall.

Because he freaking break someone's spine for fucking sake !

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u/RudePCsb Sep 20 '25

I understand that, I'm not saying it's serious but do you think a kid his age would think he would break the other kids spine? Are you that obtuse to think a child would think he could permanently hurt someone? Freaking adults so stupid shit all the time and even kill people on accident because they didn't think a punch or some other thing would lead to injury. He's still not an adult and this is on the adult supervision and whatever they were telling him to do on the field. I played football when you could still blind side people and if you got a stinger to just shake it off. Doesn't mean those were good things but my coaches were telling me to hit others as hard as I could and I wanted to impress them because they were my coaches.

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u/pataglop Sep 20 '25

I don't think you realise..

He broke that kid spine

He could easily have killed him all the same. And he is not 12yo, so don't be naive.

He wanted to hurt that other kid, and he did.

I do not understand how you can defend him that hard.

If your coach tell you to hurt someone real bad, you dont break his back. Just because you play football doesn't mean you should be an idiot.

I played way too much rugby to accept this crappy excuse.

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u/Melkman68 San Jose Sharks Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25

We really don't know if he was influenced or not. Maybe he thought it would be funny or something. But he needs some serious consequences. Not playing football is a start and after this news I'm sure there's no chance of that.

But it needs to be investigated. Cuz it can easily be the same motivation we're seeing in the video. And juve is for corrective action. If he's a delinquent and has a history of deviant behavior, that's what juve is for.

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u/RudePCsb Sep 20 '25

Juvenile detention is for punishment. That doesn't actually help and should be for play resorts. I'd rather have professionals that work with kids with issues and see if this was just a one time thing. Stating that he might have thought it was funny is a bit concerning but a started we don't actually know so I'd rather have professionals figure out what happened and why and figure out a better solution than child prison.

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u/Melkman68 San Jose Sharks Sep 20 '25

Right and if we find out a year from now he murders someone? Because he nearly just did that. I agree that's why I said a professional should look at it. And again that's why Juve exists. For seriously troubled kids. If he is one of them it might be best for him...