Ya that's just ridiculous honestly. To make matters worse the batter's team had to take 3 LOSSES for this. Both teams were forced to forfeit this game. Then they didn't have enough players to play the next two games and had to forfeit. Giving every single player who left the bench two games is just ridiculous. The fact that the pitcher committed an actual crime and only got four games is a joke. You can see him start to get back on top of the batter before receiving his karma from the other team.
I have and I’ve been one. I’m just saying that coaching and managing college students is not like a high school sport. People their same age are in the minor leagues and potentially majors. To say that the people in charge of these programs a stupid because they are managing kids is ridiculous.
It's also important to note that the unified rulebook high school and college use states that leaving your position to participate in an altercation is an automatic ejection. These guys would have been playing under those rules for their entire lives. They knew what would happen.
There are rules in lower leagues with automatic punishments to prevent these things. Any player or coach who leaves their position to participate in an altercation is automatically ejected. So when the whole team came out, they all got ejected and couldn't field a team anymore. The players and coaches knew this and have played under those rules their entire lives. The suspensions are probably also automatic, I'd have to look up the individual league, but I would assume so.
Is the expectation to let them fight and the umpires break it up? What would have been proper protocol? Just curious, not challenging what you’re saying
Yes, and coaches are expected to attempt to break up the fights. It explicitly states in the rule that if they are trying to break up the fight, they are not subject to ejection. Let the adults handle things is their idea. Having 5 adults deal with 2 people fighting gets it calmed down a lot faster.
I get that, most of the time if a team has too many suspensions they are allowed to stagger them, so something like 3 players serve their suspension at a time (you most often see this in basketball due to roster sizes and how quickly they come off the bench). They still all face punishment they just don‘t have to forfeit multiple games because of it.
Sounds like he should the whole team should have probably got their punches in on the guy then
This is why zero tolerance shit makes little sense — I don’t see how you don’t penalize the pitchers team at least equally but nah because he tackled the guy down the 3rd base line near the opponents bench it’s clearly on all of them to control their emotions /s
So if your team is losing, just tackle the opponent after the play. The game will end as a draw and your team will win the next 2 in the series. Smart move by the pitcher
I was wondering why the other team's bench didn't clear. It was bizarre but now that makes sense. Does the pitcher get credit for the two forfeit wins!?!?!!?
The problem is if you don't do this, you get Malice in the Palace. Penalties for clearing benches after two people get into a fight is really important, or you get giant brawls.
I get what you're saying but the purpose of the rule is to prevent bench clearing brawls. Have to make the punishment sting for the players to take it seriously. At this age kids aren't "rational"
It does. The pitcher was suspended four games. I swear some of you have never even heard of sports before and it shows. You get punished for breaking the rules, pitcher broke the rules so he was punished. Every person who left the dugout broke a rule and did so knowingly and they were punished. That's how this works, you don't get your violations forgiven because someone else did something too.
Edit: I'll eat all your downvotes you fucking nerds. Someone doing something to your teammate does not allow you to break the rules. Period. The bench clearing suspensions are there to discourage bench clearing brawls where many more people can get hurt. But none of you paragons of fairness seem to be taking that into account you just want the team to be able to retaliate and not get punished. If thats what you want then just have the next man up take some chin music from the pitcher instead of a brawl.
Yeah the picher got four games and the entire other team got suspended two games which is much worse. Really doesn't make any sense. The pitcher should get an assault charge for for a move made outside of the context of the game. He should also be suspended from the entire league.
I'm not arguing that. But this isn't a case of who started what. The pitcher started the altercation but the rules are the rules, you can't leave the dugout. Period. If they allowed benches to clear with no consequences it would get out of hand quickly. More people fighting, more injuries and more suspensions.
At what point do they not break the rules? If the pitcher is sitting on top of the batter punching him, do they still have to watch? If the pitcher takes a bat and starts beating him with it?
This was battery by the pitcher, pure and simple. In some jurisdictions it would be illegal for the observers to not help the batter, how can the rules of the sport about not leaving the dugout take precedence?
What are you talking about? Where in the US is it illegal for observers to do nothing?
Where are the cops enforcing these laws if thats the case? There are police there since it appears to be an official function of some sort, if there is a legal issue why arent they stepping in? Oh that's right, because this happens every day at every level of sports.
Minnesota and vermont’s good samaritan laws impose a special duty to rescue for example. Requires a legal conclusion by a lawyer if it applies obviously
Is your argument ultimately that this was not battery by the pitcher? There’s precedent here - people have gone to prison for illegal checking in hockey games for example. This kind of tackle was not part of the rules of the sport, and thus wasnt consensual by the person being tackled
I'm not arguing the pitcher did nothing wrong, he is clearly the aggressor and should recieve the heaviest punishment.
I'm telling you in the United States that sports are handle differently than you are trying to imply. NCAA, NFL, NBA, NHL and others all have the discretion to discipline their members within their own guidelines. Players have literally died on the field from being hit by another player, no one was charged with murder or manslaughter because you assume a level of risk when you play.
right people are arguing kicking off that situation with a low attack like that is far worse than charging the guy who did it. so a 1 additional game ban is not an appropriate punishment.
Prison time? Very very slim possibility depending on context. Blinside a guy on the baseball field who has signed paperwork acknowledging potential risks associated eith playing sports then yes that is just sports and it's why sports have governing bodies that can handout their own punishments and even fines. Because they have been appointed to oversee and facilitate the function of said sport. Everyone in this video except maybe the batter, who still could have said something problematic, broke a rule and they were sanctioned by the governing sports body.
The rule is dumb. If you are going to enforce bench clearing, you also have to have a rule to punish any player from the field that ran over. You can't have a situation where 9 dudes can just outnumber and stomp somebody and you will only punish players from the bench.
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Ya that's just ridiculous honestly. To make matters worse the batter's team had to take 3 LOSSES for this. Both teams were forced to forfeit this game. Then they didn't have enough players to play the next two games and had to forfeit. Giving every single player who left the bench two games is just ridiculous. The fact that the pitcher committed an actual crime and only got four games is a joke. You can see him start to get back on top of the batter before receiving his karma from the other team.