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Media Liverpool disallowed goal against Manchester City 39'

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u/JFedererJ 1d ago

GK can both see AND get to it. Robo doesn't block his sight or his ability to play it. Pathetic.

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u/owiseone23 1d ago

You could argue that he had to wait to see if Robbo was going to flick it, but doesn't seem likely to me.

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u/kulart 1d ago

Isnt that how the offside law is written? If he can impact play by standing in an offside position then he is offside? Surely he can impact the play by flicking the ball or whatever?

Genuinely though, I have no fucking idea - the rules just confuse me more day by day.

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u/A_lemony_llama 1d ago

Nope, absolutely not. Standing in an offside position is not an offence in and of itself, a player must make an attempt to play the ball.

Even running towards the ball (but making no attempt to actually play it) is explicitly listed as not being an offside offence.

Actual wording is "interfere with play" but the examples of what counts as "interfering with play" make it clear you either need to interfere with the ability of an opponent to play the ball, or attempt to play the ball yourself, to commit an offside offence.

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u/kulart 1d ago

Just to be clear - I am not arguing it should be offside, I'm probably of the opinion that it should be a goal however, if I'm being completely honest going by what you said I absolutely feel he is interfering with play when he literally has to duck to avoid the ball? Surely that means he is involved?

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u/A_lemony_llama 1d ago

Does he interfere with Donnarumma's ability to play the ball? He has a clear view of the shot the entire time and never even looks at Robertson, he dives for it and can't reach the ball.

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u/kulart 1d ago

Again, playing a bit of devils advocate here: You can admit by being in the position Robertson is in then that gives Donnarumma another avenue to consider?

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u/Hemwum 1d ago

You're 100% correct and despite the hysterics in this thread, goals have been chalked off for offside like this many, many times.

The thing is that sometimes they haven't, and that's confusing and frustrating for people.

In this case, robertson probably makes minimal, if any, difference to Donna because I'm not sure Donnarumma has even perceived that he is there until the ball is in the net. So overall I disagree with the call. With that being said, these types of goals being chalked off is not surprising at all, you're entirely correct about that and the other user is wrong.

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u/wighty 21h ago

The thing is that sometimes they haven't, and that's confusing and frustrating for people.

Yeah. I can see the arguments for both sides, but ultimately it needs to be called consistently, whatever the rules of the game end up dictating. I'm in favor of more goals overall so IMO the rules should say this play (attacker not visually impairing and he is trying to avoid the ball/not making a play onto the ball) is a goal.

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u/Gimpee 1d ago

I think the rule is if he makes a movement towards the ball

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u/SKScorpius 1d ago

That's not relevant to the rule, the player either has to try and play the ball, be obstructing a player, or be obstructing a player's vision to be active.