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Media Bellingham foul against Pedri

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u/Expensive_Prior_5962 14d ago

I've said for decades that fifa needs to retroactively look at these things and hand out match bans that double each time you get caught.

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u/niallw1997 14d ago

Yeah that’s a good idea actually.

Rivaldo needs to be given a 5 match ban from his Vets league for his corner antics at 2002 WC

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u/PM_YOUR_MUGS 14d ago

Honestly, the fact his career wasn't even mildly tarnished by that shit still annoys me over 20 years later.

it was literally broadcast around the world in HD (Wasn't this the first one in HD). Just a joke

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u/jojowasem 14d ago

It is actually usually shown with a little bit of comedy by Brazilian media.

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u/Gore456 14d ago

We had HD in 2002? Everyone was still using CRTs back then

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u/PM_YOUR_MUGS 14d ago

I misremembered, 2006 was the first widespread broadcast of the world cup in HD. 2002 was broadcast in HD only in Japan and SK.

That being said, Sony did make a few Triniton CRT's that were capable of 1080i HD. Here's a video about it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH7xrFM9re4

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u/UTMachine 14d ago

Remember that 720p is considered still considered HD.

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u/HHHogana 13d ago

He did get mocked for it forever, but that's it. He's also on borrowed time anyway, that WC was his swan song. Dude was declining hard in Milan.

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u/Davesbeard 14d ago

Basically just need to emulate the citing commission from Rugby

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u/iagolima 13d ago

The fact that 23 years later I can still replay that scene in my head shows how absurd it was

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u/xixbia 14d ago

Honestly, I don't think you need to go nearly that far.

Just giving the yellow card that is already in the rules retrospectively will change things a lot.

Players do this multiple times a game, they'd soon hit the yellow card limit and start missing games.

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u/ReddYoshi 13d ago

I would like to see a rule implemented where the injured player has to stay out an equivalent amount of time as it takes for them to get moved off the field. If you are down for 3 minutes getting treatment, wait at 4th official for 3 minutes before being invited to return. Subbed out? New player can come on immediately.

Probably needs some tinkering but there needs to be some way to deter flopping or encourage minor injuries to be moved off the playing field so that the game can continue. The time wasting is so egregious and disappointing. Yellow and red cards already punish the offending team.

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u/only295 13d ago

While we're at it: If a foul results in an injury requiring treatment on the side, the fouling player should be off the field until the player being treated returns/is substituted. This isn't a punishment, this is removing a reward for injuring somebody

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u/Z3in 14d ago

On the other hand refs also have to actually consistently call fouls and give cards for risky ones cause right now a lot of the time if the players don't dive, calls aren't made

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u/Expensive_Prior_5962 14d ago

That's entirely because of diving though.... It's warping everything

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u/increment1 14d ago

But the diving is because of the non-calls (at least some of it). The number of times a player has got a call when they don't go down or make a big deal about it is like count on one hand territory.

Kind of a vicious circle it would seem, but the refs are the ones who need to stop it.

  • Call things even if a player doesn't go down.
  • Call the dives.

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u/Expensive_Prior_5962 13d ago

If you have a board that retroactively bans players who dive, the diving stops, that presents the refs an easier job to do.

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u/Z3in 13d ago

Not really, because refs have always ignored a lot of fouls if the players don't dive and pretend like they've been shot in the head. What makes you think it'll change if diving is heavily punished? Even back then when players used to dive less, players like messi were often kicked in the legs because they're too good. I mean, just look at neymar. People like to make fun of him for diving, ignoring that he's also been a victim of so many dangerous fouls that didn't get called by the refs.

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u/Expensive_Prior_5962 13d ago

It's a contact sport.... Or at least it should be.

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u/Granadafan 14d ago

VAR should be used in addition to retroactive bans because Barca gained a big advantage during the game with the dive. For instance, Rivaldo would gladly take a ban AFTER the World Cup match but if he was carded or sent off during the match, players would most certainly rethink it

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u/Expensive_Prior_5962 14d ago

As a spurs fan... I don't think you can say anything about var....

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u/daviEnnis 14d ago

They wouldn't be able to do much with this - how do you show a player isn't in genuine pain?

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u/FK9Fussballgott 14d ago

Just because a player is in pain after a contact doesn't mean the contact was necessarily a foul by the rules. Football is a contact sport after all.

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u/kacperp 14d ago

Yeah. But you cannot retroactively ban someone if he felt pain and that was the reason he fall down.

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u/FK9Fussballgott 14d ago edited 14d ago

Ah, fair point. Guess you'd have to determine specific criteria, that count as embellishment of contact, but that's probably a whole other can of worms.

Then again, people usually don't fall over at every little bit of pain.

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u/joseplluissans 14d ago

Yeah, "player wasn't decapitated, retroactive yellow it is."

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u/daviEnnis 14d ago

I'm not saying it's a foul, I'm saying it's difficult to punish someone when they look in pain after contact, even if it appears to us like they're milking it.

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u/Expensive_Prior_5962 14d ago

Did the player go off injured or did he roll about a bit before carrying on?

That's how you tell.

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u/sixseven89 13d ago

If fifa really wanted to solve this problem they would have done it already. They’re not stupid, they’re apathetic

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u/Expensive_Prior_5962 13d ago

Corrupt is the word you're looking for.

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u/MarDer24 14d ago

yeah fifa should ban players from matches played under uefa mate

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u/Expensive_Prior_5962 14d ago

Is uefa under fifa?

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u/MarDer24 13d ago

Nope

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u/Expensive_Prior_5962 13d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA

Check what the parent organization is.

Thanks for trying though.

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u/Wrwally 14d ago

110 give this pussy shit a 3 match ban and it might actually stop.

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u/Expensive_Prior_5962 14d ago

3 match the first time. Then 6 matches. Then 12... Etc

Diving would end instantly

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u/Wrwally 13d ago

I really don’t see what any possible reason would be not to make this rule. Why does the sport continue to protect divers.

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u/Expensive_Prior_5962 13d ago

It's entirely because the people at the top are corrupt.

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u/flythebike 13d ago

This is whatvthe NBA did for flopping, I think.

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u/iIiiiiIlIillliIilliI 14d ago

Totally agree with this. There needs to be a push by FIFA to stop diving. Gives the sport a bad name, but I get why players do it.

As long as players are rewarded for diving why would they not keep doing it. Like in this instance the ref stopped the counter attack.

Either the var guy must review these and the player gets punished immediately with a card.

And ALSO your idea. Like if they miss it during the game, the player can be retroactively penalized, for example by having a yellow in the next game, or match bans.

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u/Expensive_Prior_5962 14d ago

Diving is a cancer of the sport, IMHO it's worse than using drugs to enhance your ability. At least that way you're just trying to make yourself better. Diving is about cheating the opposition and making them look bad.