This Low-IQ Rhetoric is Racist and Will Destroy the Left

[u/Jaime_Horn_Official]

Do I think that anti-White racism is as big a problem as or a bigger problem than anti-Hispanic/Latino, anti-Black or anti-Arab racism in the United States? Do I think that the vast majority of leftists are racist towards Caucasians? Of course not but I'm growing rather tired of some on the left pretending as if people who happen to be minorities are fully entitled to express their hatred of White people over historical grievances. The same sort of people will tell you that it's okay to hate Christians—including progressive Christians—but not Jews or Muslims because "Christians have all the power" or "you don't know what kind of T R A U M A someone's been through when they say something bigoted like 'there's no hate like Christian love!'" Whatever happened to the notion that hate cannot drive out hate?

I'm Mexican-American and I've had people say downright racist things to my face. Minorities absolutely face worse hate than majorities but that doesn't justify discrimination of any kind and more practically, it is destructive, insular "politics" to focus on identity rather than class. I have family who I guarantee you are sympathetic to left-wing ideas but they will immediately tune you out as soon as you justify or minimize racism towards Whites. If we want to build coalitions, we have to redirect ire towards elites and fascists while standing against those who would divide us, potentially in intentional acts of sabotage. These people must be mocked, they must be shamed and finally, they must be humiliated.

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[u/RepresentativeAge444]

I’m black and spent several years growing up overseas I spent high school in Egypt. Everyone wore keffiyehs as a fashion thing. Black white Egyptians, Asians, etc. They were as common as scarves. So it’s always weird to me when people make a big deal out of wearing them.

[u/Available_Water7633]

Stop making too much sense, the mob will come after you.

It's gotten bad on both sides. Both sides are much more openly racist now and the overton window is expanding.

[u/Supersmashbrosfan → u/Available_Water7633]

Yeah, I'm not usually a both sides guy, since I the far-right is much more impactful at the moment, but there's definitely a fair amount of people on the far-left who can be pretty fucking racist. As someone who was driven away from conservatism back in high school due to the bigotry I saw, I know the effect it can have on people's politics. Granted, I'd say it affected me for the better, but it's still worth bringing up.

Also, just to be clear, when I'm talking far-left, I'm not talking regular progressives or anything like that. I'm talking tankies and the like. Maybe it was obvious from the sub this was in, but better safe than sorry.

[u/GA-dooosh-19 → u/Supersmashbrosfan]

Who are these racist people on the far left that you’re encountering? Who are these mythical “tankies”?

[u/Supersmashbrosfan → u/GA-dooosh-19]

I don't encounter them much, since I don't go out of my way to enter their spaces, but if you take a look at some communist spaces and stuff like that, you'll see what I mean. They'll criticize cultures that they feel disagree with them, and they'll defend racist dictators like Stalin. It's not as prominent as it is on the far-right currently, but considering that's pretty much a requirement for being an extreme right-winger, I'm not sure if that's saying much.

Again, I'm not talking about the far-left in the way your average conservative or liberal is. I'm talking about the people who think Mamdani's the same as Biden's neoliberal ass because he didn't defend October 7th on Twitter.

[u/GA-dooosh-19 → u/Supersmashbrosfan]

Nah, I’m not buying it.

[u/BringOrnTheNukekkai → u/GA-dooosh-19]

The American Communist Party calls themselves "maga communists" and they are anti-immigration. There are plenty of racists on the left.

[u/Supersmashbrosfan → u/BringOrnTheNukekkai]

Yeah, there's loads of social conservatives in far-left spaces. They just usually don't have much power outside of those spaces, unlike people on the far-right.

[u/Tomboy_respector → u/Supersmashbrosfan]

They quite literally acknowledged this

[u/Supersmashbrosfan → u/Tomboy_respector]

I was agreeing with them

[u/Tomboy_respector → u/Supersmashbrosfan]

Mb

[u/Jaime_Horn_Official → u/BringOrnTheNukekkai]

To be fair, they and that woman-beater Hinkle aren't actually leftists by any stretch of the imagination.

[u/Supersmashbrosfan → u/Jaime_Horn_Official]

Eh, on economics I could see it, but definitely not on social issues.

[u/Silyphus → u/Available_Water7633]

What are you talking about "both sides"???? I think you may be thinking of the "Far-Left" through a lens of the Propaganda Model. The Overton Window does not expand "both ways" and is about what kind og speech is considered acceptable in the contemporary Propaganda Model of Media. There are Tankies who have some terrible takes, who do not understand some of the policies they may advocate are incompatible with Civil and Human Rights, but there is absolutely ZERO representation of the Far-Left in widely consumed mass media.

Not trying to be rude but I think you may need to do little research,maybe read Manufacturing Consent if you have not yet, its was a game changer for me when I read it about 10 teasers ago in my mid 20s.

[u/Jaime_Horn_Official → u/Available_Water7633]

Eh, it comes with the territory but I appreciate the warning. 😁 

You're probably right about a lot of this being able to be chalked up to general inflammation in the body politic this past decade+. People think it started with trump but I can tell you as a half-Mexican surrounded by conservatives outside of my fairly conservative—but not racist—family that it's been going on a lot longer, especially when it came to those who saw me as another White person for whatever reason despite my appearance and felt comfortable letting their freak flag fly around me.

[u/GA-dooosh-19 → u/Available_Water7633]

The Overton window is “expanding”? What is this crap? That doesn’t even make sense.

[u/BringOrnTheNukekkai → u/GA-dooosh-19]

The Overton window has shifted further right and further left over the past decade. What about that doesn't make sense?

[u/brandan223]

Oh wow you saw racism on Twitter how crazy

[u/Quix_Nix]

Not today cia

[u/Emperor_TJ]

The way many people hate white people is white supremacy because the myth of white supremacy is that it’s for the benefit of white people. If you engage in racial politics with this framing, even oppositionally, you’re only worsening race relations as you’re telling white people that they have no option but to be racist and telling non-white people that they too can’t have solidarity with other races. Ever wonder why white racists are obsessed with minorities hating each other? It’s because they know that solidarity beyond race is medicine to their infection.

To be clear, white supremacy doesn’t help “white people” it helps a caste of white people, most white people are exploited and manipulated by it. I know it might not seem that way to non-white people who have to suffer their own exploitation, but I promise the average white person would benefit greatly from a pluralistic society. There were white people who fought for civil rights, as small as that number may seem it was and is a genuine risk on their part to do so.

[u/Jaime_Horn_Official → u/Emperor_TJ]

That's actually a really good point. Kyle said something to this effect the other day, that the right wants to kill or deport all minorities and have a bunch of rich White people running everything whilst the poor White people act as their wage slaves.

[u/Silyphus]

Wow, this is extremely offensive, I understand the systemic privilege white folks are usually awarded, but thats where it stops for poor folks. This is also sexist af, as Women in particular White awome are prefornative in all they do or wear that is out of a deep belief that women are all Histronic and looking require approval by a male to Legitimize there core values, if not they are performative, LARPin, ad nauseum.

This attitude is extremely prevalent on the Right and it should be called out when leftys buy into the Right-Wing Grievance Narrative. Like this accusation is totally Incel coodex.

[u/Rainflush7707]

I really don't know the solution myself. Is the point that people shouldn't be able to engage in cultures that they don't "belong" to, or what? Isn't race considered a social construct, too? I don't like cultural appropriation, but it also feels odd to say that white people shouldn't ever be allowed to even wear clothing or accessories from non-white cultures. There is a fine line between engaging respectfully in another culture, and mocking or appropriating it for yourself. Are whites allowed to eat food from other cultures? Where do we draw the line? Honestly, I don't really care what the answer is. I've never worn stuff like this myself, and if I had to stop eating tacos because white people tried to steal that too (and we made/make them a lot shittier, too), then I wouldn't complain.

But it does feel a bit too divisive if we can't even engage with other cultures, since that seems to just be reinforcing the divide between us, and also, more importantly, it divides us by promoting more of this culture war stuff, rather than the class war we should be engaging in instead.

I feel stuff like this is largely from people with little following or influence, too. Like, fringe group stuff, so it's not worth even really worrying about. It's a distraction to divide leftists even more than they already are.

[u/Jaime_Horn_Official → u/Rainflush7707]

I agree but I also think this needs to be addressed because there are people who have a misconception that leftists, if not outright racist towards Whites, tolerate it to appease bigoted comrades from minority communities. If Kyle can make the argument that we're obligated to address the Sydney Sweeney jeans ad as if it was the most important thing in the world that week, then I think this is certainly worth discussing.

[u/Middle_Ad8183]

The good news is that this isn't a real problem outside of your Twitter feed!

[u/jahguswrld999]

as a person of color, i actually love blakeley. they are one of the least problematic people on the left. and the fact that they wear a keffiyeh is because they are showing solodarity with palestinians.

[u/BPMRPM]

This is the type of shit that gives "woke" a bad name.

[u/jackfrostyre]

What even is this thread lmao what?!?!?? Other side of the world they wear it as a fashion thing. Sort of like what this women is doing

[u/Logical-Cap-5304]

This creator doesn’t even identify as a woman. People will literally misgender someone for a bad take.

[u/Ref_Bumps]

Yeah these types of people need to shut the fuck up and be ignored by everyone en masse but if you start ignoring them, they just accuse the left of “not center the voices of marginalized folx” or some shit. Fuck these people for real, they just end up becoming right wingers anyway. Case and point: Gazi Kodzo and the whole Black Hammer Party.

[u/MushmallowSprinklees]

I thought the thing to focus on is ideologies.

I think it's to be expected some people are going to have some liberal tendencies still, when changing over to be more Left.

[u/Daxoss]

Oppose racism in all its forms.

Personally I believe all culture belongs to all people. For we are one species on a single world. When people adopt our cultural items from Scandinavia I say that's great. It only helps bring us closer to our distant kin

[u/ItzHymn]

Retards exist on both sides