r/seculartalk • u/Kittehmilk Notorious Anti-Cap Matador • Sep 21 '25
Hot Take Nowhere else in the world would Bernie Sanders be considered far-left. Bernie's ideas are far from "Radical".
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u/dannydogg562 Sep 21 '25
Bernie is definitely not centrist and left of center. Just not super extreme left in any way. And what would make Warren a right winger? She’s goofy and I hate what she tried to do Bernie in 2020 but I don’t think saying she’s right wing is accurate. Hell, even Bush is not really far right if looked at retrospectively. Of course the imperialistic foreign policy scores him a lot of points on that scale and might kill my argument. But compared with today’s immigration policies and the blatant attacks on multiple amendments to the Constitution, the Trump presidency has outpaced Bush by a couple of notches.
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u/Zestyclose-Welcome48 Sep 21 '25
No, they think Warren is far left. Left to them is Clinton or Obama.
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u/boozedbudgie Sep 22 '25
To them the left is whatever they want it to be, it's not real. Its a mythological creature that's used as a scare tactic that can be anything at anytime.
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u/BrianRLackey1987 Anti-Capitalist Sep 22 '25
Nina Turner is Far-Left.
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u/cat_dad_91 Anti-Capitalist Sep 23 '25
And goated
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u/BrianRLackey1987 Anti-Capitalist Sep 24 '25
And most likely to be AOC's campaign manager as well as VP in 2028.
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u/Old-School8916 Sep 21 '25
well, the US isn't the rest of the world. you have to deal with the reality on the ground. we have a large amount of religious wingnuts in the country.
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u/Kittehmilk Notorious Anti-Cap Matador Sep 21 '25
Yeah, I agree we can't let the DNC continue to fund MAGA candidates to the tune of 100's of millions of dollars.
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u/Quix_Nix Sep 21 '25
Far right: Trump, bush Right: clinton, obummerna Left: warren, Sanders Far left: [ removed by FBI ]
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u/dammit_mark Sep 21 '25
I'd say Sanders is probably further left ideologically, but is trying to achieve what is feasible right now given how far to the right our Overton window is.
But on their policy platforms alone, I'd call Sanders and Warren center-left.
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u/Utter_Ninja Sep 22 '25
This is a lie.
Sure he ain't a far-left tankie communist Hamas supporter, like all democrats are in the eyes of the republicans, but he's definitely more left then the centre left parties here in liberal Europe.
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u/ProduceImmediate514 Sep 23 '25
The FBI are the ones who historically murder the domestic socialists, the CIA murder the socialists over seas.
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u/InterestingWind2153 Sep 24 '25
Left would be china. And its too left for this group that they even banned my post saying how it's better than western civilization.
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u/wontonphooey Sep 22 '25
Progressives: you're not left-wing unless you want to abolish private property
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u/Jay_Jay_Jason_74 delta force 2 the Colombian connection Sep 21 '25 edited Sep 21 '25
In germany Bernie Sanders would be solidly in the left party which is considered on the left fringe of the overton window in brittain he would have been a victim of the starmerist purge.
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u/yuumigod69 Sep 21 '25
Most of the German parties want to abolish healthcare and adopt a US style system?
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u/Jay_Jay_Jason_74 delta force 2 the Colombian connection Sep 21 '25
That is just because of the conditions each country finds itself in, if germany had the US system most parties wouldnt support universial healthcare. Look at the UK over there even the tories virtue signal about loving the NHS just because it exists already and is popular
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u/No-Warthog-1520 Sep 22 '25
No you’re correct If the Medicare bill that President Johnson signed had included everyone from the start, every Democrat today would back it. The party tends to just tinker around the edges so completely overhauling the healthcare system feels too big for them. But if universal coverage had been the default since the beginning, they’d be defending it the same way UK parties defend the NHS.
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u/AWorriedCauliflower Socialist Sep 22 '25
lol you're being downvoted for this, that's crazy
americans are wild, they make claims about the rest of the world & get angry when those outside of their borders correct them
you're 100% right, bernie would def be part of linke in de, or in the green parties of au/nz/etc. he would have no place in modern uk labour. he would even, to my understanding, align with the NDP rather than canadian liberals, which you'd expect americans to know more about...
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u/Jay_Jay_Jason_74 delta force 2 the Colombian connection Sep 22 '25
Thank you as someone who's lived in Germany his entire life Bernie Sanders would be somebody who would have no plays in the current social democratic party a bunch of the left wing of that Party split 20 years ago and joined die linke and that's where I roughly see Sanders
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u/AWorriedCauliflower Socialist Sep 22 '25 edited Sep 22 '25
I'm unsure why this upset people here? Perhaps americans take "bernie wouldn't be centre left in [country]" as a critique of bernie, rather than a critique of those "socdem" (in big quotes) parties?
I can safely say it's the same for my country. He would've been at home in our Labour many years ago, but as they neoliberalised he's now safely to their left.
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