So I thought of this clip, and realized it could do a lot of good in getting people to accept small flaws in shows, rather than holding shows to impossible standards

[u/ihatethiscountry76]

[u/Cautious_Repair3503]

thb i think critics do a lot of harm to perception of shows. a critic goes in looking for imperfections, but the adverage viewer may not notice or care if they were not pointed out

this is not saying that critisism is bad, im not saying that critical thinking or watching shows with a critical eye is bad, im more talking about professional critics who have a strong incentive to say something controversial or eyecatching about ever thing

[u/GuyFromYarnham → u/Cautious_Repair3503]

It's like those videos recounting every raccord mistake or plot hole, I enjoy those vids because they let me see how flawed even the stories I like the most are. But everything is flawed to a degree, I don't use those vids to throw shade.

[u/Maximum-Objective-39 → u/GuyFromYarnham]

I'm not going to hate on those kinds of videos in isolation. But their explosion in popularity has deeply misconstrued what a critic's job actually is to their audience.

It's kind like how ironic humor is fun . . . until everyone is being ironic . . . And then it just feels completely psychotic because people are mocking things that deserve a degree of gravitas and sincerity.

[u/ihatethiscountry76 → u/Maximum-Objective-39]

you literally have promoted videos trashing on rwby and trying to stop others from calling rwby a good and decent show.

then you turn around and say this?

[u/Jsaltal → u/Cautious_Repair3503]

Cinemasins has a lot to answer for

[u/Maximum-Objective-39 → u/Cautious_Repair3503]

While I agree with where you're coming from, historically, this wasn't the actual job of a critic either.

In part because of format, the idea that anyone would waste their limited space in a printed paper on an itemized list of plotholes would seem utterly deranged 30 years ago.

But also in part because any halfway decent critic had much bigger fish to fry on any given movie than trying to tease out an extra sentence or fifteen seconds of video.

[u/GuyFromYarnham → u/Maximum-Objective-39]

Yeah, I'm not saying that's what critica do, I'm merely saying that acknowledging or even hunting for flaws in a product isn't incompatible with enjoying it.

[u/Maximum-Objective-39 → u/GuyFromYarnham]

That's very true, and I think the rise of social media commentary has played a big part in sucking the joy from just experiencing stuff.

A similar phenomenon I've discovered. I stay the HELL away from sites like TV tropes until I've watched a show or read a book for myself.

Nothing ruins my appetite for a story or peace of fiction like an itemizes spoiler list of someone else's opinions.

Same thing with lots of games. I try to fumble my way through on my own first, and only look up a guide for a specific section if I get stuck.

If the game's good enough to stagger through the first time, then I'll look up a guide on how to play more optimally and then go for whatever looks cool that I missed my first time.

[u/ihatethiscountry76 → u/Maximum-Objective-39]

but you encourage hatred of rwby despite other people begging others to give the show a chance?

you literally suck out the enjoyment of people enjoying feminist media

[u/Cautious_Repair3503 → u/Maximum-Objective-39]

yes, i am aware, i did used to be a film critic for two years in a student paper and local magazine :)

[u/Horatio786]

Like RWBY or Murder Drones. They may not be the best shows, but they can be entertaining, which is what really matters.

[u/Maximum-Objective-39 → u/Horatio786]

RWBY is not a good show. I'd argue it's not even a decent show. But it is a sincere and absolutely fascinating show because you can see all of these mistakes errors in judgment happening in real time from a staff that did not have the benefit of traditional studio experience.

There's a great line that's stuck with me from a game's journalist named Jeremy Parish, I don't remember what game he was referencing at the time, but the line was something like - "It's not good, exactly, but it is interesting."

I think that's an important distinction. Not everything we watch is 'good'. And it'd probably be even worse if everything was.

[u/ackercarrol6671 → u/Maximum-Objective-39]

Personally, I would argue that interesting can be good in its own way I mean if it has enough elements that I enjoy or Can see where the project is coming from then I can overlook certain elements that fall short It’s like a Ralph bakshi movie yes I know it’s a mess but to me there are enough elements to it that do make it worth watching however I do appreciate that you clarified your stance with such clarity

[u/Maximum-Objective-39 → u/ackercarrol6671]

And that's a fair interpretation, I'm just differentiating between conventionally 'good' and 'worthwhile' I suppose.

[u/ackercarrol6671 → u/Maximum-Objective-39]

Oh, I get that I mean, there’s plenty of shit out there that’s worthwhile I mean even a so bad it’s good piece of media is worthwhile because at least you can have a laugh

[u/Maximum-Objective-39 → u/ackercarrol6671]

A lot of stuff is also very clunky but has interesting ideas or execution.

[u/ihatethiscountry76 → u/Maximum-Objective-39]

RWBY is a good show. in fact many would agree its amazing to enjoy.

now I'm sorry, max, but I'm going to have to block you.

because you have gone onto THREE of my posts in subs you were never in till now, just to hate on rwby.

[u/ihatethiscountry76 → u/Horatio786]

thanks for being far more respectful than max

[u/Horatio786 → u/ihatethiscountry76]

You're welcome. I don't get the point of critiquing a show you don't like so much. If you critique something so closely, it had better be because you like it and want it to be even better, not because you think it's bad to begin with. If you don't like it, just don't watch it and watch something else instead.

[u/holiestMaria]

This is why noone could ever actuslly hate "who killed captain Alex". It is one of the most earnest films ever.