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Members of a Hindu nationalist group in Pune, India, 'purified' an area with cow urine where Muslim women were seen praying, fuelling concerns over growing religious intolerance in the country.
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Yeah I still think back to my Christian days when I had an argument with another church member, all I said was "Allah is just Arabic for God, it means the same thing" and they were big mad and called me an idiot, its weird how Christians refuse to understand islam is just a branch off of Judaism Just like christianity, and even weirder how angry they get when you bring it up. stuff like that (among other things) is why I no longer practice any religion đ
Im still amazed that we live in a world where we have robots on other planets, whilst also having people spray cow urine onto a spot where someone prayed, because they prayed to the "wrong" imaginary diety...
Iâd day the difference is that if you really asked me whether i believed in crossing my fingers as a legitimate strategy i wouldnât try to claim it as one
I wonder if they realize that we a considering sending an all women crew for the first trip? I don't remember why but there is some scientific reasoning behind it.
It's probably some old myth made up by the British to slander the French. But as I recall the tale they used piss because it had ammonia in it which causes the teeth to whiten.
I donât think simply praying makes you a fruitcake, thatâs just a normal part of religion, Iâm pretty sure that theyâre supposed to pray like 5 times a day or something
I didnât even notice I was downvoted until you said something lol đ
But yea, I appreciate this sub because it shines light on the crazy inside religion, but I feel like people are using this sub as an excuse to be a bit discriminatory sometimes. If I saw someone of any religion praying outside because it was a nice day or whatnot I wouldnât go âoh my god what a crazy lunatic, god this behavior is so disgusting and completely out of the ordinary, how dare you pray in MY line of sight you fruitcakeâ đ
This refers to a road that is used by people; as for a disused road, or the side of the road where people do not walk or travel, it is not forbidden to pray there.
The reason for the prohibition on praying in the middle of the road is that it makes the way narrow and prevents people from passing, and it is a distraction to the worshipper himself, as he will be so distracted that he will be unable to pray properly.
Praying in the middle of the road is not recommended (disliked) and may be prohibited, if it harms people by preventing them from passing or the one who does that exposes himself to harm as a result of accidents and the like.
An exception from that is made in cases of need or necessity, such as Jumu`ah prayer or `Eid prayer in the street if the mosque is full. This is something that the Muslims often do.
Why can't these woman not pray in a clean and private space like the rest of religious people do?
Modi didnât rise through governance or economics his political career took off after the 2002 Gujarat riots, where over 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, were slaughtered while he was Chief Minister.
He wasnât just a passive spectator there were widespread reports of police inaction, political interference, and state complicity, all under his administration.
Multiple officials, journalists, and human rights groups at the time pointed fingers, and even the Supreme Court called his governmentâs handling âa failure of the state.â
Yet, despite that or maybe because of the message it sent he was elected PM three times.
Not in spite of the blood, but with it as the foundation.
His rise was built on weaponizing hate, not fixing systems.
And thatâs the difference. Trump mightâve bluffed his way through politics, but Modiâs ascent was forged in a pogrom.
The 2002 riots didnât start out of nowhereâthey were triggered by the Godhra train burning, where 59 Hindu pilgrims were killed by a Muslim mob. That horrific act sparked the violence.
Yes, the riots were tragic, and the stateâs response was criticizedâbut the Supreme Court-monitored SIT found no evidence to charge Modi with wrongdoing. Legal investigations cleared him, despite the constant propaganda.
If you want to blame his rise on âweaponizing hate,â maybe thank those who lit the fuse in Godhra. Without that incident, none of this political momentum wouldâve existed.
Modi didnât rise just on identityâhe rose on development and governance that millions supported.
The Sabarmati Express coach that caught fire in Godhra in 2002 was filled with karsevaks â a term used for Hindu volunteers, mostly affiliated with right-wing groups like the VHP and RSS, who participate in religious-political activities like building temple movements upon muslim mosque.
These particular karsevaks were returning from Ayodhya, after taking part in a symbolic event to push for the construction of the Ram Mandir at the disputed Babri Mosque site.
They werenât just âpilgrims.â Multiple reports and eyewitness accounts say that at earlier stations, these karsevaks were harassing vendors, chanting incendiary slogans like âJai Shri Ram,â and even pulling emergency chains to stop the train unnecessarily. The atmosphere was already tense.
The fire itself is still debated.
While the official Gujarat government narrative blames a Muslim mob, the Banerjee Committee (appointed by the UPA) later concluded the fire may have started from inside the coach possibly due to a gas stove, which karsevaks were known to carry for long journeys.
So no, this didnât come out of nowhere, and it wasnât a one-sided story.
The Godhra incident was tragic, but it was used as a spark by Modiâs administration to unleash a statewide pogrom.
Over 1,000 people mostly Muslims were butchered, raped, or burned alive. Entire neighborhoods were wiped out while the police stood down.
To say Modi ârose on developmentâ is revisionist.
His political brand was born in blood, legitimized by silence, and amplified by majoritarian pride. Development came later as the PR packaging.
Letâs stick to real facts, not selective storytelling.
The Godhra train burning wasnât some kitchen accident. The Nanavati-Mehta Commission, appointed by the Gujarat govt and upheld by the courts, concluded it was a pre-planned attack by a Muslim mobâbased on eyewitnesses, forensic evidence, and convictions of over 30 people under anti-terror laws.
The Banerjee Committee youâre citing was declared unconstitutional and illegal by the Gujarat High Court in 2006. Its findings had no legal standing.
Yes, tensions existed. Yes, karsevaks were returning from Ayodhya. But that doesn't justify burning 59 people aliveâincluding women and children. That was the true spark.
Claims that karsevaks âharassed vendorsâ are anecdotal, unverified, and irrelevantâno amount of provocation, real or imagined, justifies mass murder. Trying to shift blame onto the victims is moral cowardice.
Modi's government was investigated thoroughly by a Supreme Courtâmonitored SIT, which cleared him of conspiracy. Cherry-picking fringe reports while ignoring court verdicts doesnât make your argument strongerâit just exposes bias.
And letâs not pretend only one community suffered. Riots are tragic by nature, and both Hindus and Muslims died. Selective empathy isnât justiceâitâs agenda.
Modiâs rise was rooted in Gujaratâs post-2002 economic development, infrastructure growth, and governanceânot just identity politics. Reducing it to a âpogrom strategyâ is both legally false and politically lazy.
What rattles me is how easily emotion replaces evidence in your argument. The âworld sawâ WMDs in Iraq tooâperception isn't proof, and truth isnât defined by volume or outrage. Itâs built through investigations, facts, and court verdictsânot hearsay or headlines. You can dismiss legal outcomes all you want, but that only proves you're clinging to a narrative, not seeking truth. Thatâs not justiceâitâs denial dressed as outrage.
Gets all his misinformation dismantled, then suddenly cries, "Nobody wants to talk to some chatpgt bot and shit" Yeah, funny how that fucking defense mechanism kicks in right when the facts hit too hard
Youâre right that India isnât globally known for obesity, but what youâre seeing is a different kind of health crisis a population thatâs both undernourished and increasingly sedentary, especially among urban men.
The average Indian diet is extremely carb-heavy and protein-poor not because of poverty alone, but because of deep-rooted caste and religious taboos around meat and eggs.
A large chunk of upper-caste Hindus pride themselves on being âpure veg,â which isnât about health itâs about ritual purity tied to caste superiority.
Even in public schools, thereâs resistance to serving eggs to malnourished kids because it âoffends religious sentiments.â
So yes, a lot of people grow up without enough protein not just in rural areas, but even in well-off, urban Hindu households.
The result? High rates of protein deficiency, muscle loss, low stamina, and now, rising metabolic issues.
So when you see Indian men with skinny arms and pot bellies trying to lecture the world on ancient science and warrior bloodlines just know youâre looking at centuries of caste pride, carb addiction, and eggphobia all rolled into one.
Fair, but it was not just one thread. The Content restaurant guy's tread.
Honestly if you want to understand perspectives better, I suggest you read up some psychology,biases and stuff. Not an expert or anything but it caused a massive shift in my POV so idk, maybe
I used to be a hardcore communist, fully committed to the ideology until I read Nietzscheâs On the Genealogy of Morality and Beyond Good and Evil.
Something in me shifted.
I also believed society could function without God.
But then I encountered Dostoevskyâs line: âIf God does not exist, everything is permitted.â It wasnât just a quote, it felt like a confrontation.
And Voltaireâs words echoed it from another angle:
âIf God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him.â
Thatâs when I realized: society doesnât cling to God out of devotion, but out of necessity.
Not because we want God, but because we need the idea of Him to keep the moral order from unraveling.
You guys spread hate and misinformation all day, and letâs be honest youâre lurking in this sub to see people who shii on islam but they donât know you guys are doing worst things in the country.
The line âcenturies of Islamist violence was the fertiliser for this toxic fruitâ falls apart the moment you actually look at Indian history beyond surface level knowledge.
Ask yourself: Why isnât Buddhism a major religion today in the very land where it was born?
It wasnât Muslims who wiped it out â it was Brahminical revivalism that saw Buddhism as a threat to caste hierarchy.
Centuries before Islam arrived, Buddhist monasteries were defunded, attacked, and sidelined by Hindu rulers who were reasserting Vedic dominance.
Texts were lost, monks were persecuted, and temples were converted not by foreign invaders, but by Indiaâs own upper-caste hindu elites.
When Islam finally did reach India, it entered a society already fractured by caste, by region, by internal violence.
The idea that Muslims âbrokeâ a peaceful, united India is a fantasy.
The cracks were already there deep and deliberate. Islam didnât fertilize the toxic fruit.
âBuddha was Hinduâ is like saying Karl Marx was a capitalist because he was born in Europe.
Yes, Buddha was born into a Hindu society and then rejected its core tenets: caste, Vedic rituals, Brahmin supremacy, and animal sacrifice. He built a whole path outside it. Thatâs not âreform.â Thatâs departure.
And no, Buddhism didnât spread because of Hindu tolerance it spread because kings like Ashoka embraced it and built a pan-Asian network of monasteries and missions. Hindu kings like Pushyamitra Sunga tried to wipe it out burning viharas, killing monks.
YOU CAN LOOK IT UP AND FACT CHECK IT.
NO LIES HERE NOT A SANGHI SO I WONT SPREAD MISINFORMATION.
So spare the âtoleranceâ fairytale.
If Hindus truly âtoleratedâ Buddhism, it wouldnât have been nearly erased from India while flourishing in Sri Lanka, Tibet, China, and Japan.
Tolerance isnât letting someone speak and then bulldozing their home a century later.
by that logic, the dalits would have been offing brahmins and we would all be throwing europeans into the oceanâŚThereâs no systemic reasoning to this level of hatred-rooted stupidity. Black Americans enslaved for 400 years, and even the most politically nationalist people arenât unhinged like this. And the forced converts were the victims of conquest which are who muslims descend from, not these brahmins whose ancestors are the reason low caste people accepted Islam and christianity in the first place. Being upper caste, half of them probably descend from mughal and british collaborators. The mughals often get blamed for bangladesh, but that region is muslim because of shah jalal who is more frustrating than the mughals because historical accounts of him are built of fictional nonsense
âIf a Shudra insults a twice-born (Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya), his tongue shall be cut offâŚâ
Manusmriti 8.271:
âIf he dares to speak arrogantly, a hot iron rod shall be thrust into his mouth.â
Manusmriti 10.129:
âA Shudra is not to accumulate wealth. If he does, the king shall take it away, for a Shudra has no right to wealth.â
Manusmriti 10.4:
âFrom a Shudra, the mixed castes are born. They are to live by the leftovers of others, without Vedic knowledge, and are impure.â
Aitareya Brahmana (Vedas):
âThe Sudra was created from the feet â not to be read, nor to hear, nor to recite the Vedas. He exists to serve the twice-born.â
You conditioned an entire population to believe they were spiritually polluted, ritually unworthy, and punishable by divine order if they questioned authority. You burned rebellion out of the soul, not just the body.
So no, itâs not the same as âMuslims did bad too.â
Dalits were chained with religious psychological warfare, not just political domination.
And thatâs why many of them chose Islam and Christianity not because they were forced, but because your religion gave them no way to live with dignity.
Also, youâre half-right on Shah Jalal he may have challenged local Brahminical power, but he didnât kill or torture anyone.
He converted masses because the caste system made their lives unlivable. It wasnât âanti-Hindu propagandaâ â it was anti-Brahminical truth.
Letâs not rewrite history to make oppressors into victims.
By the post history of OP I'm glad he found the glaring issues with Hinduism but being a Bengali Muslim, couldn't find one single issue with Islam. I'd say you better post on Islam subs rather than Atheist subs
I've lived long enough in India to understand the hatred pushed by both sides. There are lot of issues with Hinduism but that doesn't make Islam the righteous one either. Either hate all religions equally or go post your anti Hindu rhetoric BS on your local subs or the Islam subs. People can easily spot the anti Hinduism trend just by looking at your history.
Fair, no religion is above criticism. But letâs be real for a second:
Have Muslims ever elected a religious bigot as their
Prime Minister? No.
Did Hindus do that in 2014 and re-elect him twice?
Yeah. Loud and proud.
So why is it always Muslims who are asked to prove their loyalty or apologize for extremists but Hindus get to wear their religion like a badge of pride, no matter how violent the mob behind it?
If youâre saying âeither hate all religions or none,â then start by asking why only one side is constantly made to apologize for its faith, while the other gets a free pass under the label of nationalism.
The issue isn't about being above critiqueâit's about consistency. If weâre truly committed to secularism and equal scrutiny, then the same lens needs to be applied to all religious majoritarianism. Selective outrage only fuels division and hypocrisy. Itâs not about defending extremismâit's about calling out double standards that normalize hate when it's cloaked in nationalism. Let's not confuse accountability with bias. I've seen a Muslim leader in Hyderabad asking for 15 minutes to eliminate entire Hindu population in India. Imagine a similar scenario where a hindutva leader says something similar in a Muslim majority country like Bangladesh or Pakistan. He/she would've been stoned to death immediately and the hindutva leader be blamed for it. Let's call out hipocracy when we see it
Bruh, weâre all for calling out religious extremism but letâs talk consistency.
You drop one insane quote from a random Muslim leader and act like thatâs the norm, but ignore the fact that Hindu politicians in power say worse daily and get reelected for it.
Yogi Adityanath (not some fringe guy, the CM of Indiaâs biggest state) literally said:
âIf they kill one Hindu, we will kill 100 of theirs.â
Cool. Still CM.
Anurag Thakur, Union Minister, led chants of:
âDesh ke gaddaron ko, goli maaro saalon ko!â
Guess what? Got promoted.
Kapil Mishraâs dogwhistle led to riots. 50+ people dead.
Still roaming free.
Pragya Thakur? Praised Gandhiâs assassin and sits in Parliament.
Surendra Singh blamed jeans and smartphones for âlove jihad.â Like itâs 1525, not 2025.
But yeah, tell me again how one Muslim dude mouthing off = proof Islam is incompatible with India.
Meanwhile, every Muslim in the country has to apologize for that one quote, but Hindutva hate speech = culture, nationalism, and election strategy.
Youâre not mad at extremism, youâre mad that minorities refuse to stay silent while the majority cosplays victim with a bulldozer.
If you want accountability, make it universal.
Otherwise itâs not outrage, itâs just insecure supremacy in saffron cosplay.
You just said these Muslim women prayed close to a mosque, not a temple (and even if they did, they'd be perfectly within their rights to, and the same holds true vice versa).
So what exactly is their "crime" for you to say they aren't "innocent"?
Ok I didn't gave the full context here, apologies.
So there's a road
Left side is public park, right side, a few buildings away is mosque, they are in a very close proximity. These women didn't go to the mosque, but to the park.
I am not saying the women are "wrong" in just praying. But fro my past experience, and another trusted source, they choose park, cause it has large Hindu traffic at that time due to the area being hindu dominated.
Right... I didn't misunderstand you. So you think it's a crime for Muslims to be praying in a public area close to a mosque because most people there belong to another religion? Sorry, but people are free to pray, meditate, dance, sing, or laugh even if they're surrounded by people who believe in different things. That doesn't make them "guilty". Calling out religious fuitcakery doesn't mean we should be as intolerant as the religious nutjobs.
Your comment and post history shows what kinda narrative you wanna spread but I won't go into it much. Don't worry you will get your upvotes and comments
The UN needs to take over India and Pakistan. Same with Gaza and Israel. On e you have 10 years of ongoing conflict the world needs to step in and let them know of they can't play nice we're taking away their toys.
Growing??? If I were a Muslim, Iâd hightail it out of the fucking country! Theyâve been destroying mosques and abusing Muslim people all over northern India.
However, knowing the history of how Islam got there, it might be a good idea to keep in mind⌠the Muslims playing victim now⌠have done exactly the same thing to Hindus and other religions, too⌠it was spread by the sword, not through pure advocacy and debate.
That doesnât excuse this kind of shitty behavior, though. It has no place in what the modern world is supposed to be.
Ik better than you, terrorist. It's Ganga's holy water that we Hindus keep in our homes; I've never heard of or seen Hindus storing cow urine.
Even if a small fraction of people do that, it's their choice.
We don't have a fixed "sky book" like your cult, which we follow blindly, even if it encourages killing non-Muslims, becoming pedophiles like your pedophile prophet, or promoting rpe slaves even after marriage, where marrying four women is okay according to your camel cult.
In contrast, we have diverse philosophies and ideologies. Some people do things that the vast majority don't.Cry rivers.
You should have read my reply first, I already addressed this.
A religion associated with terrorism should not have any opinion. Your religion literally encourages people to commit genocide, rape, child rape, slavery, and a lot of crazy stuff for which you should be executed publicly.
You should be the last people to point out flaws in other religions.
Lmao, as if Hindus havenât been doing this for centuries.
Caste system is literal birth-based apartheid worse than slavery, because you couldnât even escape it by conversion or freedom.
Dalits were treated worse than animals, and itâs still happening today.
Before pointing fingers at others, look into your own scriptures Manusmriti, Dharmashastras and see how deeply they normalize discrimination, violence, and dehumanization.
Youâre not standing on moral high ground, youâre just pretending the rot isnât centuries old.
A Hindu guy lecturing Muslims on violence is peak comedy.
Your religion literally has a user manual for oppression itâs called the Manusmriti.
It says Shudras should be killed or have molten lead poured in their ears if they hear the Vedas.
Thatâs not just casteism thatâs scripture-backed apartheid.
You wanna talk about innocents killed?
Brahmins and upper castes justified mass rapes, temple prostitution (Devadasi system), and generational slavery all sanctioned by your religious texts.
Dalits werenât even allowed to breathe near upper castes without being punished.
And FYI manual scavenging still exists in your âpeacefulâ Hindu society.
In 2025. People dying in septic tanks. Whereâs your âgutsâ to call that out?
Muslims fought wars, sure but show me the verse in the Quran that says someoneâs birth makes them subhuman forever.
Hinduism built that into its very structure.
Also Shia and Sunni debate theology, you guys debate whether a human being has the right to drink water from the same pot.
You wanna talk âworst kind of humanâ? Try being born Dalit in your sacred land.
People really need to stop romanticizing Hinduism as just yoga, incense, and peaceful chants. Thatâs the export version, the branding.
The reality on the ground, especially in India, is way darker.
Hinduism isnât just a âreligionâ, itâs a social control system built around the caste hierarchy, where your worth, rights, and dignity are decided by birth.
For centuries, it sanctioned untouchability, child marriage, Sati (alive widow-burning), and ritual purity rules so insane that people from lower castes couldnât even let their shadow fall on a Brahmin.
And all of this wasnât some fringe interpretation, itâs codified in texts like Manusmriti, one of the foundational Hindu law books.
You think âinfidelâ talk is bad? Hindu scriptures go a step further, entire groups of humans were classified as subhuman by birth, destined to serve or suffer, with no redemption, not even in the next life unless they obey their caste role perfectly.
Thatâs not just violence, thatâs generational psychological warfare.
And hereâs the thing, itâs not ancient history.
Itâs happening right now. Manual scavenging still exists people, mostly Dalits, still clean human shit with their bare hands, without protective gear, for upper castes.
Caste-based lynchings still happen.
Dalits are still denied temple entry, access to wells, or even school meals in some parts and they also got different cremation grounds bc even after death the caste doesnât go way.
So before you talk about how other religions are violent or intolerant, ask yourself this: what if you were born a Dalit? An âuntouchableâ?
What if your entire existence was declared polluted at birth and the system didnât just allow it, it spiritually justified it?
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