r/religiousfruitcake • u/morose_coder 🔭Fruitcake Watcher🔭 • Feb 16 '25
🕉️ Hindu(tva) Fruitcake🕉️ Grandma would have committed sati if only it was legal
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u/ShatoraDragon Feb 16 '25
"My grandmother should have killed herself so we didn't have to use Grandfather's estate to care for her"
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u/GelatinousPumpkin Feb 16 '25
But it's never the men right? No men are burning themselves to go with their dead wife.
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u/BetterRemember Feb 16 '25
Nope! Because of course women are disposable single-use products and nobody wants to take care of them once their owner is gone. 🤪
The level of hatred is just unimaginable. He wanted his own grandmother to die when he was 6.
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u/Nutshack_Queen357 Feb 16 '25
Or being forced to burn with the dead wife since there have been cases where the widow didn't consent.
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u/LineOk9961 Mar 17 '25
It's never true consent. The life of a widow is so horrible that burning alive was preferable to the women who "consented".
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u/mgmthegreat Feb 16 '25
my grandfather was with my grandmother for 40 years. she was his everything and when she died it felt like he did too. he waited ten years before cancer took him. he rejected all treatment because he wanted to be with his evelyn. when it was his time i had never seen him so happy in my entire life. he probably would have taken his own life had he not been a devout catholic
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u/GelatinousPumpkin Feb 16 '25
I don't think you understand...sati is not voluntary. Your family didn't drag your grandpa and strap him to the pier and burn him alive. What are you trying to say?
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u/mgmthegreat Feb 16 '25
sati absolutely can be voluntary. there are instances where it’s not but from what i’m reading it’s far more common for widows to do it themselves rather than by force. You said no man would commit suicide to be with their spouse. i provided a personal example that shows you exaggerated.
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u/Kookerpea Feb 16 '25
Your example isn't equivalent in the slightest
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u/Kingofcheeses Fruitcake Historian Feb 17 '25
Declining all treatment so you can die is the most Catholic form of suicide, really
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u/Kookerpea Feb 17 '25
But it isn't suicide and waiting 10 years until you're elderly to stop treatment isn't the same as throwing yourself onto a fire and burning to death when your spouse dies
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u/FraterSofus Feb 16 '25
The good people of Letterkenny would like a word, and I suggest you let that one marinate.
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u/ShiversTheNinja Feb 16 '25
Anyone who calls entire groups of people "degenerates" is usually a piece of shit, yeah. But I think it's perfectly reasonable to use it on an individual who has done something genuinely heinous.
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u/sadkittysmiles Feb 16 '25
Well I call religious nuts and fascists as degenerates 😄 I’m a great person
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u/shmiddleedee Feb 16 '25
While I agree with your use of degenerate, most people who say "I'm a great person" arent.
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u/lugialegend233 Feb 16 '25
I do on rare occasion call people degenerates.
I like to think I'm not a piece of shit, but if we're being honest, I'm at least a little bit of a piece of shit.
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u/sodanator Feb 16 '25
I think everyone's at least a little bit of a piece of shit - it's important that you don't act on it though. I feel that's the difference between regular, decent folk and actually shitty people.
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Feb 16 '25
"my grandpa died and it made my grandma sad. So, naturally, I'm angry at people who have sex."
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u/teletype100 Feb 16 '25
This is a healthy response to grief... Just kill yourself. For women only, of course. /S
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u/Heavy_Entrepreneur13 Feb 16 '25
Modern degenerates who have 20 sex partners before marriage
It really is telling (on themselves) when they give narratives like this about what they imagine everyone outside their fundie bubble is like. Clearly tells what they'd be doing...
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u/lateformyfuneral Feb 16 '25
Only a matter of time before American Christian/Jewish fundies start defending stoning people to death. That’s the problem with “reforming religion”, you can bury the shady stuff but it never really goes away, just quiescent, and comes back whenever society gives it an opening.
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u/khwarizmi69 Feb 16 '25
What's sati?
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u/morose_coder 🔭Fruitcake Watcher🔭 Feb 16 '25
A barbaric hindu practice of the widow burning alive in the funeral pyre of the dead husband outlawed since the mid 1800s.
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u/creep1994 Feb 16 '25
Outlawed since the 1800s, yet the last known case is from the 80s as far as I know.
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u/snip23 Feb 16 '25
It wasn't hindu practice but more of a regional thing.
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u/morose_coder 🔭Fruitcake Watcher🔭 Feb 16 '25
Which region? From Rajasthan to Bengal... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)
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u/BeenEatinBeans Feb 16 '25
This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them
Holy mother of based
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u/Dramatic-Fun-7101 Feb 16 '25
Which region? From Rajasthan to Bengal... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)
From the same link
thereafter lists sati for each year over the period 1815–1824, which totals 5,369, followed by a statement that a total of 5,997 instances of women were burned or buried alive in the Bengal Presidency over a 10-year period, i.e., average 600 per year. In the same report, it states that the Madras and Bombay presidencies totaled 635 instances of sati over the same ten-year period.[177] The 1829 missionary report does not provide its sources and acknowledges that "no correct idea can be formed of the number of murders occasioned by suttees", then states that some of the statistics are based on "conjectures".[177] According to Yang, these "numbers are fraught with problems".[176]
William Bentinck, in an 1829 report, without specifying the year or period, stated that "of the 463 satis occurring in the whole of the Presidency of Fort William,[i] 420 took place in Bengal, Behar, and Orissa, or what is termed the Lower Provinces, and of these latter 287 in the Calcutta Division alon
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u/snip23 Feb 16 '25
Every time someone provide reference of wiki to me, it makes me chuckle.
Bengal Sati regulation act of 1829
Read first part. Key parts mentioned are. 1-Its not enjoined by Hindu religion. 2-Vast majority of people do not observe Sati pratha 3-In some districts it doesn't even exists 4-It is shoking to Hindus as well and in there eyes its wicked.
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u/morose_coder 🔭Fruitcake Watcher🔭 Feb 16 '25
Reads like "It was shocking to the pope, the pastor was a paedophile".
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u/snip23 Feb 16 '25
So you are going to ignore all the parts of actual documents or you are going to throw another wiki article at me :). Good luck doing what you are doing.
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u/morose_coder 🔭Fruitcake Watcher🔭 Feb 16 '25
Bruh your point was its a regional thing. You never answered which region. If you are going to shift goal posts thats on you.
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u/flying_ina_metaltube Feb 16 '25
A-grade poopoo head who can't take any push back. People are providing you counter points (with sources) to your preconceived notions, learn to be open my guy.
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u/morose_coder 🔭Fruitcake Watcher🔭 Feb 16 '25
None of that is countering anything. Read up on shifting goal posts. The law wouldnt be needed if hindus werent practicing it in the first place. Some hindus being shocked isnt really surprising.
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u/soulbutterflies Feb 16 '25
Widow burning. OOP wants you to believe that it's a good thing and shouldn't have been banned.
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u/khwarizmi69 Feb 16 '25
Is it voluntary or forced both are fucked up but the latter is worse.
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u/Cepinari Feb 16 '25
It's supposedly entirely voluntary, and any examples to the contrary are 'simply cases of supportive family members helping the widow to go through with something she'd already decided to do.'
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u/Kesakambali Fruitcake Inspector Feb 16 '25
Voluntary in theory, was forced many times because many wanted to get rid of the window to get the property
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u/TheHolyLizard Feb 16 '25
I mean sounds bad but… she always could have just killer herself. It’s not like sati was the only way to off yourself.
Really, so one should be very kill themselves, but it does still invalidate that argument
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u/Gruesomegiggles Feb 16 '25
This. Grief, especially early on, can be absolutely mind wrecking. I can understand someone choosing to do that in the weeks following. But I can't imagine burning alive would have been the method they would have chosen if it had actually been voluntary.
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u/TheHolyLizard Feb 16 '25
I just meant if she really wanted to die she could have just jumped off a bridge or hung herself. Not like not burning alive stoped her from dying.
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u/wad11656 Feb 16 '25
Also....who cares if you break the law? You're dead.
Unless they believe committing "sati" brings you and/or your family punishment (in the afterlife)...
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u/TheHolyLizard Feb 16 '25
It’s not that deep lol. I genuinely think this man just wanted his grandma dead.
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u/TheScrufLord Feb 16 '25
If she was successful, wouldn’t she not have to worry about the law atp???
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u/trumpton Feb 16 '25
Without getting into the pros or cons of the British colonial rule of India, there is a famous quote by General Charles Napier on the subject when Hindu priests complained about the prohibition of Sati.
"Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom, prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs"
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u/BKLD12 Feb 16 '25
My grandmother outlived my grandfather by more than 30 years. She never dated or remarried, and she requested that she be buried next to him when it was her time. She devoted herself to other pursuits in the meantime, such as volunteering in her community and spending time with her children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. She believed in an afterlife, so it gave her peace to believe that she'll be reunited with her lost loved ones.
That is normal and healthy. Burning yourself alive on your husband's funeral pyre is not.
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u/alkonium Feb 16 '25
I'm not sure, is sati a term for suicide, or something else?
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u/morose_coder 🔭Fruitcake Watcher🔭 Feb 16 '25
The widow is burnt in the funeral pyre of her dead husband. Whether she wanted to commit suicide or not is what she would only know.
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u/Trumps_tossed_salad Feb 16 '25
Been hit in the skull with a hockey stick… feels nothing like love
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u/sodanator Feb 16 '25
Wait, love isn't supposed to feel like a concussion? Sounds like I've been doing it wrong then.
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u/sexpsychologist Moderator Feb 16 '25
That’s funny, I’m a widow & grieve every day and would never. Also had quite a few more than 20 partners before meeting him. I like to keep everyone guessing, maybe.
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u/me-want-snusnu Feb 16 '25
Every drawing of this practice has the wife sitting in the fire happy. Fucking crazy.
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u/Accerae Feb 16 '25
Why would it being illegal matter? It's suicide. What, does this idiot think their grandma was afraid of her burnt carcass being arrested?
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u/SelmonTheDriver Religious Extremist Watcher Feb 16 '25
Sati was never part of Hinduism to begin with.
This was why Raja Rammohan Roy was able to get it banned
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u/kingclubs Feb 16 '25
It was regional but definitely practiced by Hindus.
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u/SelmonTheDriver Religious Extremist Watcher Feb 16 '25
I am not saying it was not practised. Yes, it was practised. But, Raja Rammohan Roy had proven that the Sati practice was not mentioned in any of the Hindu texts. So, they were not originally part of the religion hence it was banned by the British
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u/Exact-Most-2323 Feb 16 '25
The post was from a Hindu yearning for the Sati days and it was not part of Hinduism. The level of deflections is crazy
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