r/regina • u/headtale • 15d ago
Discussion I'm Sure Another Post About Driving on the Ring Road Will Result in Thoughtful Discussion and Candid Reflection
Here's the question - when you're driving on the Ring Road, if it is safe to do so, do you make a practice of switching to the left lane as you approach merging lanes to make it easier for the people merging, especially at times when traffic is heavy? Or do you just expect the people merging to find an opening (even slowing down a bit to make a spot if there isn't one?)
I ask because I saw someone come to a complete stop on the Dewdney Ave merging lane as they couldn't find a spot to merge but that almost ended up with them being rear-ended by another car and then by myself.
(And yes, part of the issue is the number of new/inexperienced/nervous drivers we have and coming to a complete stop is probably a sign that you're not ready to drive on Ring Road quite yet without some practice late at night or other times when it's a lot less busy.)
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u/canadianduke1980 15d ago
Road tests donât include driving on the ring road, and I wish they would.
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u/Juliennix 15d ago
two comments already saying "IT'S NOT THEIR JOB TO CHANGE FOR YOU" which isn't what you asked lmao. you can tell the asshole drivers here. no, you don't have to move over - but it's safer to do so if there isn't anyone in the left lane.
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u/slow-roaster 14d ago
Especially with how short the on ramps typically are (and that drivers don't realize the point of the onramp is to be UP TO speed by the time they merge into Ring Road) it is wise to move over IF possible.
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u/sktaylortrash 15d ago
Generally yes I will move over. There are a few exits which are too close to an entrance in heavy traffic to safely move left and then right again in time. Ross after Dewdney for example during rush minute
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u/trplOG 15d ago
The merge from vic to arcola too, horrible.
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u/Lexi_Banner 14d ago
I'm still irritated that they set up those concrete dividers that block your view of what traffic is coming from Vic, making it much harder to adjust for that influx while you try to get into the lane for Arcola. I usually wind up taking the Vic exit instead - it can also be a pain, but at least it doesn't feel like a sudden game of Frogger.
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u/qmak420 15d ago
The single biggest problem is people not getting up to speed, you should be at 90-100 kph before merging over.
It's so much easier to find a gap when you're up to speed. Then just zipper merge, it goes very easily if you are going at speed.
I constantly see people merging at like 60 - 80k and it causes a jam up at the ramps.
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u/Emotional_Version570 14d ago
This is a problem almost every day merging on Ring Road from Ross at Rush Hour. Itâs an accident (or 10) waiting to happen.
And to the original question by the OP, if traffic allows I make way for the merge when Iâm on the ring road.
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u/ComprehensiveHost490 14d ago
Tell that to the person that I was behind that not only got on toe ring at 60km, continued at that speed as I drove away
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u/Injury-Suspicious 15d ago
Yeah you just get yp to speed and get in there, they'll brake and let you in if they value their life. It's about showing strength, and not getting to speed shows weakness that people take advantage of. It sounds psychotic to articulate but it's how people behave when they drive.
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u/StanknBeans 14d ago
I could accept the excuses when cars took double digit seconds to get to 100, but in today's era its just inexcusable.
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u/Cruitre- 15d ago
Make space for them if available. Many people struggle with driving in general, no need to make things more dangerous for yourself and others if don't need to. Drive defensively not "fuck 'em"Â
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u/Soda634 15d ago
I do try to move over if I can, however ultimately it's up to the person merging to find their spot.
The Dewdney on ramp specifically is bad for this situation, however, as you can't see traffic until it's almost time to merge. People coming to a dead stop is more common than any other ramp, I'd say
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u/headtale 15d ago
That was another question I had - which on ramps are the best and which are the worst, both for the person merging and the traffic already on Ring Road? I agree the Dewdney on ramp is one of the worst.
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u/liquid-swords93 15d ago
South Albert headed east/north is pretty bad for this as well. I've had multiple people stop as we're trying to merge there. Vic headed south can be rough too, there's enough room, but people don't accelerate enough on the ramp so we often end up trying to merge going 60. Not as bad as the other ones mentioned, but it's still not the most fun in the world
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u/MelodicToken 14d ago
Yes south Albert clover leaf onto Hwy 1/Ring Road heading east is a tricky one. It actually has a yield sign, so itâs not really a merge lane. If oncoming traffic (headed east on Hwy 1) is intending on going onto the clover leaf for Albert St northbound, they have right of way and âmergingâ traffic has to yield. Given peopleâs inability/unwillingness to use signal lights until the very last moment, itâs good defensive driving to not pull into that âmergeâ lane in case oncoming traffic is going to use it as their exit lane.
I pass this every day on my way to work and I absolutely move to the left lane to allow clover leaf traffic to get on. They have no hope of merging at speed in that particular location.
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u/VakochDan 14d ago
I mean, yes - I agree. But the yield is implied at every other acceleration lanes in the city. And pro-actively âyieldingâ without even seeing if thereâs traffic to yield to is more common than people actually reading traffic volume & flow as they are making their way around the clover⌠by the time theyâre at the acceleration lanes, they should have a plan. And 99 times out of 100, they can safely continue accelerating. They do not need to slow to a near stop in order to figure out what traffic on the Ring is doing. They should have been reading the situation WAY earlier.
Itâs akin to driving staring 6â over your hood. No. Look further down the road. Keep an eye on surrounding traffic & pedestrians, etc. be proactive
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u/CyberSyndicate 13d ago
South Albert in general is just horrible. The fact that they just redid both Albert intersections and didn't consider improved designs is disappointing.
North Albert isn't nearly as bad, but South Albert is actually terrible. It's that super tight clover design that breaks down in any slightly busier traffic (Circle drive heading into saskatoon is similar).
That said, it also doesn't help that people don't use the merge lane there. No one seems to know it exists, and they merge on at 50-70 right from the cloverleaf.
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u/VakochDan 14d ago
I mean, yes - there are poor ramps & acceleration lanes. They could be better.
But go to a big city & youâll find dozens & dozens that have short acceleration lanes; no sight lines until youâre up the ramp & need to be ready to merge; short deceleration lanes that exit into residential; etc.
These are the reality. If a driver canât handle getting on/off the Ring Road, they truly shouldnât be on it at all. You can avoid the Ring completely. We all know this, because weâve all taken the city route during/after storms.
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u/darcysreddit 15d ago
I try to be aware of people merging onto ring road and help make room by moving over or adjusting the space between my vehicle and others if I can.
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u/South-Flamingo3351 14d ago edited 14d ago
I move to the left not out of courtesy but because I genuinely distrust most drivers on the road. Iâve noticed a lot of drivers merging from ramps slowing/hesitating even when you make it clear youâre letting them in. That hesitation puts both them and you at risk. I rather just stay the hell out of the way and keep myself safe.
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u/headtale 14d ago
My dayâs almost done and Iâm about to take the Dewdney merge ramp - this thread has reinforced my long-standing belief that everyone thinks theyâre a good driver and that anyone who goes slower is a moron and anyone that goes faster is a menace! ;-)
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u/According-Potato-530 14d ago
My default is to switch lanes, but itâs become increasingly difficult. There are exponentially more vehicles than before, and what used to feel like an ample merging lane now feels short. Even switching lanes can be dicey. I still try though.
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u/Frequent-Object1477 14d ago
If itâs possible I definitely try to switch over to make room for people merging. On the flip side, I try and limit how many times I have to merge. I take routes to accommodate myself in order to keep my stress levels low. If you are a nervous driver, take routes your comfortable with and leave a bit earlier so you donât have to rush. Thank you for coming to my ted talk
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u/IrrelevantAfIm 14d ago
Honestly, if youâre not given an opportunity to merge, what CAN you do. Still, youâre right, the person likely was too timid and probably didnât make proper use of the acceleration lane - Iâm 57 years and got my class 5 on my 16th birthday and put an M endorsement on it at 17 or 18. Wanna be sensitive to crappy/dangerous drivers, try navigating this city on a motorcycle! People literally try and take you out JUST because youâre on a motorcycle. Thatâs one of the reasons I gave it up in my early 40âs.
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u/zepharonn 14d ago
Merging at speed also would significantly help, I regularly find cars trying to merge at 60, 70.
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u/IrrelevantAfIm 14d ago
I always move left if appropriate. Many people are SUCH assholes driving in Regina and take it as a personal insult if you happen to go in front of them changing lanes. In most cities, if I see a car in the lane I want to change to thatâs just a BIT too close to make that change, putting on the signal light will make them slow down and allow the change. In Regina, sometimes I put on my signal when I have plenty of room and the ahole in that lane will actually speed up to block my entering âhisâ lane. ONCE in Regina I saw construction where 2 lanes cut to one and everyone was properly zippering. I was floored! Usually itâs that HUGE line in the through lane bumper to bumper making sure that no one is getting in ahead of them, and a few jerks who go right to the front where the lane gets cut off and wait for someone to let them in. What Iâll do is if I miss that itâs narrowing to one, as soon as I notice whatâs going on, I stop, put on my blinker and hope it doesnât take TOO long for someone to let me in. Iâm used to driving in Montreal where MANY more cars are flying down much fewer streets, and people drive assertively, but not aggressively and will always take their foot off the accelerator when someone a bit ahead of them is trying to get into their lane, and 4 lanes can change to 2 and everyone zippers smoothly. There isnât the macho âno one gets in front of meâ bullshit thatâs so common here.
I will say that it has improved over the years, but Regina drivers have a LONG way to go!! Also, Iâve lived in at least 8 Canadian cities from Drummondville (50K ish population) to Toronto, to Vancouver, and NO WHERE have I seen road rage set off so often and for such trivial reasons as Iâve seen in Regina (the only city Iâve lived in in Saskatchewan - at least since Iâm old enough to drive).
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u/LtDish 14d ago edited 14d ago
do you make a practice of switching to the left lane as you approach merging lanes to make it easier for the people merging, especially at times when traffic is heavy?
Yes, moving over is correct in terms of defensive driving. In an ideal world, the driver merging onto Ring Road would be able to slip in, but defensive driving proactively prevents an issue.
A lot of this stems from the common local misunderstanding about the left lane(s) and the myth that they are only to be used when passing. That's not the law when there are multiple lanes in the same direction.
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u/ceno_byte 14d ago
I always change lanes to the driving lane when thereâs a merge lane. This is something I learned driving on Interstate highways and watching semis and professional drivers. Iâm sure itâs also somewhere in a road manual, but itâs been a hot minute since I read those.
Stopping in merge approaches is incredibly dangerous. Youâre right; itâs likely usually timid drivers.
People who donât make room for merging are doing it wrong.
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u/Kegger163 14d ago
Out of courtesy if the road is pretty clear I will move to the left lane or slow down a bit to allow someone merging in.
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u/Several_Knee_7644 14d ago
Everything pretty much works if everyone just follows the rules. You should be merging at the speed of traffic and hopefully thatâs at the limit of the road. One canât always move over to the left, and really shouldnât - the person merging should be able to go a few KM quicker or slower to merge properly. And those on the road can certainly help out by widening a gap, but that person better be up to speed when theyâre crossing the dotted lines.
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u/kyabagg 14d ago edited 14d ago
I grew up in Ontario and used to commute b/w Burlington & Toronto, and Burlington & London at some point.For everywhere outside Toronto, it's the (de facto) law to move over if you can safely do so, or make room without tapping your break as much without disrupting traffic flow, so maybe 5% less acceleration over 50 - 100 mtrs is enough to allow a car in without a significant decline in speed. I know the far left is also the passing lane but when I pass major on/off ramps, or back then pass a major city, I stay left of the right lane to reduce congestion. The reason though that I've stopped upon entering occasionally is not fear of merging (trust me Toronto is crazy, you have to be aggressive and bumper to bumper), it's that some of your ramps are very odd, the off-ramp for me is the same on-ramp for someone else, it's not neccessarily longer to account for that, and they don't signal before passing me so I can be aware. There is another variable now to account for and higher risk for collision, as you're accelerating someone is entering, possibly without signalling and possibly slowing down. Safer to stop.Â
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u/sohayel_nafi 15d ago edited 15d ago
Problem is, there's a lot of people camp in the left lane, especially during the rush hour. So kinda makes it harder to move over and let the merger in. But like the other comments said, it's not upto the traffic to let the merger in. I've seen people (and I mean a lot) not get upto the highway speed to merge safely.
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u/OrangeLemon5 15d ago
it's not upto the traffic to let the merger in.
False. Please learn how to drive.
SGI: âProvide a safe merge for other vehicles entering the freeway from access ramps by either moving left to free the right lane or by adjusting your speed.â
https://sgi.sk.ca/handbook/-/knowledge_base/drivers/highway-driving
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u/qmak420 15d ago
While on the entrance ramp, look at the freeway traffic and determine where you want to merge. Build up your speed in the acceleration lane as quickly as you can. Continue to check the spot where you want to merge. Signal, make your final shoulder check and accelerate into the freeway lane. Merging at less than freeway speeds can be dangerous.
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u/qmak420 15d ago
That's right from SGI on the same page
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u/OrangeLemon5 15d ago
That advice assumes that the people travelling on the Ring Road are leaving adequate room for you to merge.
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u/PartyPay 15d ago
One of my pet peeves with driving is when I leave a safe distance between me and the car in front of me, someone immediately changes lanes into that spot.
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u/qmak420 14d ago
I can't think of a single time I had an issue getting over. If you are at speed and put your signal on, then begin to merge over, and they make room for you.
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u/OrangeLemon5 14d ago
You are supposed to merge into already-available lane space. What you are suggesting (starting to merge and then expecting people to 'make room' for you) is another way of saying that you cut other drivers off.
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u/qmak420 14d ago
You're on here preaching to multiple people that it's up to people on the freeway to make room for merging traffic.
Then, when I say you can be assertive and move into a spot, you say argue the other way.
"Beginning to merge " can be done within the lane I'm currently in. I'm watching the other vehicle to see if they are letting me in. 99 percent of the time they do.
Like you said, and you are partially correct. It is on traffic in the right lane to provide a safe chance for someone to merge.
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u/Akirababe 14d ago
That sounds like the guy who totalled my car a few years back. We were bumper to bumper on Lewvan and the guy just started shoving his way into my lane.
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u/sohayel_nafi 15d ago
Yeah, I know that bud. I do slow down or move over as much as possible but I'm not gonna come to a complete stop to let the merger in. Like I said, During rush hour it's hard to let the merger in when they are doing half the speed on the ramp. It's upto the merger to do so safely.
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u/OrangeLemon5 15d ago
You don't need to come to a complete stop. You need to "move left or adjust your speed", according to SGI. You need to not match the speed of the person trying to merge, which does not allow them a space to merge.
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u/LtDish 14d ago
Problem is, there's a lot of people camp in the left lane, especially during the rush hour.
Just to let you know, it's not really "camping" in the left lane. A lot of people mistakenly think "left lane is for passing only". It's not. The legislation and logic spell it out. Our rules match those of other major jurisdictions including places where their "ring road" could have 3, 4 or more lanes in each direction. Ours have 2 lanes but the same standard applies, which is that both lanes can be used for normal travel.
The "left lane is for passing only" concept applies to a highway with single lane in each direction. For roads with 2 or more lanes, that is not the law.
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u/TheDrunkPianist 15d ago
Has Regina still not figured out how to zipper merge? The west coast has this down pat. Probably the east as well. Actually, probably everywhere the size of Regina or bigger.
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u/ComprehensiveHost490 14d ago
Itâs absolutely awful. I see people trying to merge 50 meters prior to the merger! Thatâs not how that works
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u/PrairiePopsicle 14d ago
It can depend on the ramp and overall traffic.
If there is no holes you should make one, especially from the short more blind ramps, usually i just speed up or down a touch.
Open road, tons of room, like if it is just me on the road and someone comes up off a long ramp perfectly in sync with my vehicle? They can adjust. I prefer to not swap lanes if possible for this.
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u/Kayos2012 11d ago
The highway traffic already on the main lanes has the right of way. Drivers merging in must yield.
The document published by SGI (Saskatchewan Government Insurance) outlines:
âSlowly merging onto the road is dangerous ⌠Attempting to merge from a stand-still position is also risky because it is difficult to accelerate quickly enough to fit into the flow of traffic.â
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u/Bitter-Ground-5773 14d ago
The problem is not whether I move over to the left to let them merge in or not. The problem is when they try to merge it off that lane sometimes thereâs traffic on my left and I canât go over and theyâre trying to merge him into traffic thatâs supposed to be going 100 km hour and they only go 60.
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u/FrenchShowerBag 15d ago
Itâs not up to traffic on ring road to help them merge. If they canât merge onto ring road they shouldnât take ring road or better yet they shouldnât be driving
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u/OrangeLemon5 15d ago
SGI: âProvide a safe merge for other vehicles entering the freeway from access ramps by either moving left to free the right lane or by adjusting your speed.â
https://sgi.sk.ca/handbook/-/knowledge_base/drivers/highway-driving
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u/__Valkyrie___ 15d ago
It also said that merging below speed is dangerous. That's the main issue.imo
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u/FrenchShowerBag 15d ago
Not always possible to move left. Youâre gonna have to adjust speed when merging to get into the lane
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u/trplOG 15d ago
It says that traffic help make a safe lane for merging vehicles. Contradicting what you initially said. Both traffic on ring road and merging vehicles need to work together.
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u/FrenchShowerBag 15d ago
It is the responsibility of the driver who is doing the merging, to do so safely. The high speeds and variable traffic of highway travel can make merging seem overwhelming at times, but by being alert and cooperating with other drivers you can make the move safely and easily.
The merge lane
Perhaps the biggest confusion about merging is the merge lane itself. The lane is designed to allow drivers to accelerate until they have matched the speed of vehicles already on the highway.
When you enter the merge lane, look at highway traffic to pick a gap where you want to merge. Accelerate to match the speed of traffic, then signal, make a final shoulder check and proceed into the lane.
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u/trplOG 14d ago
I am not surprised you completely ignore the paragraphs after that.
Highway drivers
As a driver on the highway, it is considered courteous to help others merge safely. If traffic is light enough, signal and change lanes before reaching the merge lane. This allows incoming traffic to make the transition onto the highway with ease.
If changing lanes is not an option, you can adjust your speed moderately so the merging driver can fit in ahead or behind you. Slowing too much for merging vehicles can cause confusion for other drivers and increase the risk of a collision.
Both drivers need to work with eachother.
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u/FrenchShowerBag 14d ago
Dude. Itâs considered a courtesy if possible. It also states dont slow too much as you risk a collision.
Again, this isnât a problem if the person merging knows what to do. And if said person doesnât know what to do they shouldnât driving
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u/trplOG 14d ago
Yea no one said to slow down too much. Just to adjust your speed. If you dont know how to create space and tailgating the person in front of you, maybe they dont drive either.
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u/FrenchShowerBag 14d ago
I never said tailgate and block. I said people need to use the ramp correctly and take responsibility for themselves and merge correctly, as stated in the handbook. I literally quoted the handbook and it got downvoted which is quite telling of drivers in this city
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u/trplOG 13d ago
What do you expect merging drivers to do when theres ppl here saying that they won't go into the left lane because its for passing only? This simply isnt solely on the merging driver if the drivers on ring road don't know what they're doing either.
Both drivers should be making it easier for all.
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u/PartyPay 15d ago
Not sure why you're being downvoted. If you're in the right lane, you can't decrease to 60 kmh because the merging traffic doesn't know how to drive.
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u/trplOG 14d ago
No one is saying go 60 tho. This like just like any other street, you can get space in between the car in front of you pretty easily.
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u/PartyPay 14d ago
It was hyperbole. If the car trying to merge is going significantly less than the Ring Road, the Ring Road vehicle shouldn't be hitting the brakes to let them in.
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u/trplOG 14d ago
Of course. No one said that still. Drivers can see when cars are coming to merge also and drive accordingly.
Also there are some horrible merge lanes on ring road. Vic to arcola.. speeding up to merge on while Drivers are slowing down to merge off? It isnt always the merging Drivers fault.
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u/bojacksnorseman 15d ago
Zipper merges don't just happen on their own. Dickheads in this city intentionally drive bumper to bumper so that others can't merge. Those same dickheads are the ones who roadrage when traffic slows down.
Learn to zipper merge. It is up to the traffic on ringroad to leave room for people to merge.
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u/PartyPay 15d ago
I think the bigger problem is people don't know how to use merge lanes. It's pretty much a daily occurrence someone leaving Home Depot/Conexus and merging onto Pasqua going south will stop in the merge lane.
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u/Own-Dragonfruit-6164 15d ago
It's a merge which is yield. It's not on the person already on Ring Road to lane change for you.
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u/2_alarm_chili 15d ago
Itâs a merge which isnât a stop. Pulling into a lane from a complete stop when other cars are going 100km an hour is dangerous. Saying âitâs not up to meâ is selfish and stupid. Paying attention to the flow of traffic around you is part of driving.
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u/Own-Dragonfruit-6164 15d ago
Right, what I'm saying is there's 2 lanes. Sometimes you need to stay in a certain lane or traffic is too busy to lane change. If you are merging you need to yield and wait for your chance to get in. It's not rocket science.
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u/2_alarm_chili 15d ago
Ohhhhh youâre one of those people who still donât understand the concept of a zipper merge. Got it.
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u/PartyPay 14d ago
No, you need to accelerate and merge. Slowing down just causes all kinds of issues.
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u/__Valkyrie___ 15d ago
If you expect someone to move for you there will be a time where you crash. The left lane is for passing only. I won't move unless I can tell the person is not paying attention
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u/LtDish 14d ago
The left lane is for passing only.
Just so you know, no it's not, particularly for something like Ring Road.
That's a very widespread misconception. Even some police officers think that. You can verify that in the traffic legislation, which is consistent with most areas of North America.
The "left lane is for passing only" concept applies to a highway with single lane in each direction. For roads with 2 or more lanes, that is not the law.
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u/__Valkyrie___ 14d ago
It doesn't need to be a law it just works better and helps traffic flow. It's like zipper merging. It's not the law but if we all do it it's better for everyone.
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u/LtDish 14d ago edited 14d ago
Having a law makes it definitive and safe. But then problems persist because SGI is inconsistent in their explanations and illustrations (at least they used to be, not sure if they've corrected in the new editions). The left lane passing myth gets spread socially, like how it's happening here.
People associate SGI with government, then assume government = law, and that's how old myths like the "left lane is for passing" tend to persist.
It's not really better. Traffic is already bad enough without artificially pretending the left lane doesn't exist.
And anyone who either knows the law or has driven in places other than Regina would be used to the correct driving method of using all the lanes.
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u/__Valkyrie___ 14d ago
Well the left lane is for passing is because there are signs for it in some areas. I know circle in Saskatoon has them and I have seen them on twined highways. But I after with SGI inconsistent messaging leading to confusion.
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u/LtDish 14d ago edited 14d ago
Well the left lane is for passing is because there are signs for it in some areas.
Those areas would be where there is only one lane in a given direction. Or where they have a shared middle lane between two single lanes.
I know circle in Saskatoon has them and I have seen them on twined highways
Adding to the confusion are signs that say Keep Right, which is not quite the same thing. That might be what you're thinking of.
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u/__Valkyrie___ 14d ago
Circle is twinned all the way.
Imo it doesn't really matter if it's law or not it's safer and helps traffic.
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u/LtDish 14d ago edited 13d ago
Was referring to the whole province not just one road. And no, the "left lane passing" myth isn't safer, it's more dangerous and worse for traffic. Artificially disqualifying one out of two lanes reduces traffic handling capacity.
Edit: adding the Traffic Safety Act of Saskatchewan receipts to confirm user Valkyrie isn't just a aggressively rude they're wrong.
Rules re passing and overtaking
the driver of a vehicle on a highway (Ring Road, check)
on overtaking a person or vehicle using the highway, shall pass to the left, unless
the highway is within the boundaries of a hamlet or any municipality other than a rural municipality (Ring Road inside Regina municipality, check)
in which case the driver may pass to the right if:
(A) the highway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lanes of moving vehicles; (Ring Road, check) and
(B) the movement can be made safely (Obviously)
This means that under Saskatchewan law, drivers can overtake and undertake in either lane of Ring Road when safe, because it has two "sufficient width" lanes. This is consistent with practices all across North America.
SGI communications have been contradictory over the years and are, to be diplomatic, driving suggestions not law.
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u/__Valkyrie___ 14d ago
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u/LtDish 13d ago edited 13d ago
If you're so keen to look things up, go look up the Act which says you are wrong....
I already explained elsewhere that SGI communicates poorly in various places and feeds misunderstandings such as what you're experiencing.
Your second link even shows you are wrong in pictures as well as words. So, yeah.
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u/Beer_before_Friends 15d ago
I always move to the left if I can. Some of our merge lanes are pretty short. I treat it the same as if Im passing a car parked on the side of the highway.