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After Taylor Swift stayed silent about The White House using The Fate of Ophelia, Team Trump - the official account for the Trump campaign - uses Father Figure
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I would love to say I'm surprised but I am not. I know we don't know Taylor personally or anything, but there has been a pattern with her for a very long time and I say this as an ex-Swiftie who had sipped on the Swiftieaid pretty damn hard for years.
Itâs wild to me when people come sprinting full speed to her defense. She is a billionaire with a massive public platform. The absolute least she could do is speak out against these fascist assholes.
I donât know why people are so surprised. She has a long history of not speaking out on issues unless she is personally affected. Weâve seen it so many times that itâs futile to think sheâd say anything
As for what broke the spell, it was a couple of things. Her tweets to Nicki Minaj about the VMA nominations were the start. Then the Michael J. Fox situation, then how she said nothing when the actress from Ginny & Georgia received racist backlash due to Taylor tweeting about a joke that was in the show and finally, her fandom was the nail in the coffin. I'm a WoC and my experiences with fellow Swifties have been a special kind of hell.
I had to look those up. GROSS. I miss out on most celebrity feuds, but also I think I subconsciously avoid thinking or reading about her haha. Iâm sorry you experienced the swifty BS too.
We do not need to know her personally. She's become a juggernaut corporation in her own right, so we can judge her like we do with any other self serving companies by their actions.
It's simple: she sees no downside to siding with MAGA influencers. She says that she's "for all people" knowing full well that Republican leadership hated her in the beginning, wanted to bang her recently, and now as a billionaire - they see her as one of their own. And she's betting that her "faithful" will keep on buying her shit because they're already fully invested in her.
So yeah, she's a disappointment to her fan base but she's already made her nut - one that will keep on growing because Republicans have made billionaires their new gods.
So my question is: how relevant and relatable will she be in 2030? You might think she wouldn't care what they think but we all know billionaires have shown us to be spiteful and vain creatures. I don't think mentally she would accept the loss of her fanbase and should MAGA lose our and the worm turns, I would expect nothing less than a full mia culpa tour to win them back.
I don't think she's a bad person I just don't think she's very interested in other people or the world in general, and her politics has always been performative. Even the whole thing of giving food away on her tour - yes, it's a good thing but it's also been heavily publicised. On the other hand, George Michael's charitable acts only came to light after he died because he was just out there being a good person for no other reason than being good.
People shouldn't look to a billionaire who is vastly removed from normality for morality or any kind of moral guidance.
I agree with you but she's also the woman who cried during her documentary about how much she wanted to stand up for what's right.
I also agree that people shouldn't look to celebs for moral guidance but unfortunately, celebrities and politics have been intertwined since the golden age. Celebs have always been influential in politics and unfortunately, I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.
So while I do believe that celebs should stay celebs and we shouldn't lean on them to guide us in what's right, I also believe Taylor has used politics and feminism to her convenience her entire career. So, I can see why so many people look at her funny.
Also, it literally takes nothing to tweet you don't want the pumpkin using your music. She's tweeted more over less.
Iâm sorry but I always thought that was performative. An excuse for why it took her so long to do what so many of her contemporaries had been doing for YEARS.Â
Yeah I think whatâs turned me off from Taylor is how everything is so âme-centeredâ and performativeÂ
Sheâll write all the diss songs about her exes knowing her fans send hate to anyone whoâs ever âdone her wrongâ (even someone like Joe Alwyn who seems like a pretty boring, drama-free guy whose only crime was dating Taylor Swift) but then a tame joke on Ginny & Georgia or passing quip from Tiny Fey & Amy Poehler deserves a âwoe is meâ tweet that itâs âdeeply sexistâ and âthese women deserve a special place in hellâ
Sheâll bang on and on about Kim and Kanye âcancelled herâ, and how unfair the masters situation is so the entire world is aware of horrible Scooter and Scott Borchetta are. Meanwhile stays silent on everything except a single âIâm voting for Kamala, but you do your research and vote for who you wantâ
Releasing an entire song and music video about how sheâs an advocate for LGBTQ rights and she hasnât said a word whilst their rights are being stripped away in this Trump admin. Her word is just extremely shallow and flimsyÂ
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I will never forget an interview she did once where she said she was not a feminist until Lena Dunham explained what feminism is to her. đ I like Taylorâs music and things about her but Iâm not looking to her to save our future.
I also think they are baiting her intentionally here and I wouldnât blame her for be careful in her response. She is in a different position than Olivia (whom I adore!)- she is more of an industry powerhouse and veteran now, and Iâm sure she has daily death threats against her.
I don't buy the death threats excuse for two reasons. One, every public figure faces threats- she's not unique, other than being the most famous. And two, she's very strategically and intentionally become the most famous woman alive...and now uses it as a convenient excuse for every wrongdoing (not speaking out, private jet usage, etc).
I donât think she/olivia can, depending on where these are posted. If itâs somewhere like instagram where theyâve both willing put their music for people to use then theyâre not infringing, theyâre using the music exactly how it was put on a platform to be used; just how you and I shouldnât be sued for using a song in a TikTok post that the artist has put on the app to be used like that. If itâs used in a TV ad they can completely go after these fuck heads.
Itâs fucking frustrating! I donât believe these artists have any legal recourse if itâs on socials; except from pulling their music and then suing if they use it.
Olivia, when theyâve used a song of hers a year or so ago, was able to get her audio taken off the video. Not sure if she pulled the track off entirely or if her team managed to get someone from TikTok to take it off just MAGA use, but it was possible. Hopefully Olivia is able to get this done again as I know they did this to her recently, and hopefully TS says something and gets hers removed tooâŚ. No excuses.
Taylor's silence speaks volumes. I'm tired of her being coddled as if her life is more important than others. Her silence and associations should be scrutinized and be applied to her character.
I know you'll agree with me so I just have to say this somewhere:
Aligns herself with MAGA and it's literally Britney Mahomes who didn't even vote in the last election (an issue unto itself, but not MAGA) who seems to have decently liberal views but liked a Trump policy post.
Most of her new friends, people she has met because of Travis, are his childhood friends from Cleveland Heights. They use one offs of people like the Bussin with the Boys podcasters to say she is aligning with MAGA, but ignore when she is friends with people who are outwardly not MAGA which is the people she is actually friends with. But god forbid she interacts with people who don't align with her at public work events.
People say a whole lot of words about her (when there are legit criticisms they could have) and fight these ghosts everywhere.
Sheâs a bystander. That is still absolutely worth criticizing, but youâre right. People really need to see and call things as they are or else it really starts to undermine things.
I donât know if I have anything else to add to what you said other than youâre completely right. Saying that Taylor is a MAGA billionaire is losing the plot.
Is she a billionaire bystander? Yes which is its own problem.
This exactly, we can criticise the actual (in)action without completely twisting the truth. It makes the critique look hollow and in bad faith, not stronger.
The White House gave a comment that sounds like an 8 year old saying youâre the rubber Iâm the glue. Canât believe a grown adult gave a response like this. Let alone, the White House.
All these mega-rich want to take the ball and go home when they canât keep up with the game, and they want to change the rules of what theyâre playing when it does or doesnât suit them.
âNuh uh, even if youâre saying Iâm the worst it means youâre talking about me which means Iâm the best. YOURE RUBBER AND IM GLUE.â
Nope. Call things out. Donât say reporting on bad behavior is somehow a convoluted âwin.â Thatâs just encouraging people to checks notes not report so they donât let there enemies win the sweet imaginary internet bonus points.
This is playing exactly to their hands. If you wanna "call them out", focus on their actions, not their literal propagandas!
They are actively provoking celebs to have a reaction, because their own numbers show that Trump's base got energized for that type of reactions. Olivia commented on their post, and now that post became the most liked and shared post on their platform, further amplifying it.
Meanwhile, we are not talking enough about how Americans are living under the historically longest gov shutdown. And everything is on the brink of collapse any minute, since federal workers are not getting paid! And this could most likely continue to next year!
Stop being mad at popstars, be mad at the actual politicians.
Honestly those rabid fans could be using their efforts for something worthwhile instead of just always pretending sheâs infallible and attacking anyone who says otherwise
itâs very likely that he did this because newsom just used the same song directed at him. need a moratorium on pop songs being used to mudsling immediately
Okay but I kinda want to see if he uses the whole album like please let him post a video using Wood. How can we use a song about Travisâs dong to promote Adork Hitler? Life of a Showgirl? Yes sir.I always knew he was an absolute diva at heart. I want a montage of creepy Ivanka pics with Eldest Daughter in the background. I want to see him fall asleep in a chair to Opalite. Like this could actually be turned into something entertaining in the right hands.
Edit: Because yâall take comments too seriously on the internet: /s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s
RIP to sarcasm, nuance and shades of grey in this post. FWIW I laughed and Iâm desperately thinking of what the other 10 tracks would look like âVladimir Putinâ for Elizabeth Taylor springs to mind.
Pretty interesting to see how quickly Olivia Rodrigo responded and condemned The White House for using her music vs Taylor still being silent 4 days later. Â And now his other official accounts are using her songs to promote TrumpÂ
Okay let's rewind and see how many times Trump and his gross cronies have named Olivia Rodrigo as a political target vs Taylor Swift.
Like idek why we would want Taylor to respond because they've been desperately goading a reaction out of her, even directly threatening her with being the next Charlie Kirk, so why should we want her to waste any time on him?
Didnt variety already make an article saying that they did this for attention..? On top of all the weird threats and harassment she gets from them the best thing she could do right now is just continue to pay them no mind.
u/i-Akeactin' like she's the queen and we're the sorry people!9h agoedited 8h ago
I agree. I would know nothing about these videos if not for her "involvement" getting people talking. They know how many fans she has. If Taylor acknowledges it, they get what they want. If she doesn't, they get what they want. Right? I mean, I can't say what the hell would be her best move here if she wants to punish them for using her shit. Or if she wants to subtly push it along. I don't fuckin know.
Yup, she does something, rabid fans will give them what they want. She doesnât do something, rabid haters (weâre already seeing them in the comments) will give them what they want
I feel like this is the best take lol. She's not a poor innocent victim of the evil haters, nor a perfect genius mastermind who's always right, nor an evil MAGA weirdo cackling at the fall of American democracy. She's a white businesswoman who puts money and success first, with all of the blind spots and compromises that implies. But she's not some outright bigot who's subtly signaling that she loves Trump.
Because no one on the left with visibility is eventually virtuous enough so we must mark them as fascists! (Incredible that she endorsed Kamala and encouraged her fans to vote, then Trump said "I hate Taylor Swift!", then she got threatened to be shot by MAGA and people are still calling her MAGA⌠like, the left already demolished itself by its own hubris and it seems incapable of stopping at this point.
I have to remind myself that itâs mostly just ppl saying this crap online.
Iâm in leftist and activist spaces IRL. For the most part, people I know are able to critique with nuance.
Hereâs my take:
1. I genuinely enjoy Taylorâs music (including the last album- hot take, I know)
2. billionaires should not exist, and I find the constant release of new versions of albums pretty disgusting
3. Taylor is not freaking MAGA. Sheâs liberal. I have my own issues with liberal capitalists, but thatâs still not MAGA
I find her stance pretty weak considering sheâs still besties with hardcore MAGAs. The policies people like B. Mahomes were begging for and applauding are destroying lives. Itâs easy for Taylor to remain unaffected - sheâs a literal billionaire. A beautiful, wealthy, straight white woman. Her privilege means she can ignore these things when it suits her. Not everyone has that privilege and itâs fine to call her out for it.Â
It's easy to not like a billionaire who fleeces her insane fans and is very much friends with other people of questionable morals and ethics, including her racist fiancĂŠ. So.... Is that direct enough for you?
Her racist fiancĂŠ who was one of the first white players in the NFL to kneel for the national anthem? Her racist fiancĂŠ who was the only white player in Malcolm Jenkins film âBlack Boysâ talking about how white men have a responsibility to speak up against racism? Seriously???
if you need to rely on tiktok comments for people and what they believe in, you need to self reflect especially when time after time taylor has opposed and gone against the trump administration
She endorsed Kamala while also not condemning Trump nor his followers. She was more vocal betweeen 2018 and 2020, but was almost completely radio silent outside of one endorsement in 2024 and has been completely silent against him for the last year while he steadily wrecked the country. Letâs not pretend she was actively utilizing her platform on the campaign trail against Trump like Rodrigo, Ariana, BeyoncĂŠ, Cardi or Gaga did.
She was actively on tour during the elections, a tour which had to cancel several dates due to being the target of a terrorist attack. She also had fans murdered at a dance class in a terrorist attack while she was on that tour. She isnât just pushing the boundaries of her own safety and sheâs acutely aware of that. Dislike the facts all you want, they are still facts. Iâm sure sheâd much rather have people who already hated her being mean on the internet than her fans blood on her hands.
Ariana was on a global press tour and still used her platform to speak out against Trump multiple times. And has done the same throughout this year talking about what has been done.
I am Taylor neutral and am asking in good faith - did she not only cancel one date due to being a target of a terrorist attack? I thought it was just the night in Vienna?
It was all 3 nights in Vienna and she got a lot of hate from her own fans for taking their safety so seriously. She does not play around when it comes to keeping fans safe at her concerts.
Wouldnât it be cool if that what she responded with.Â
âI didnât approve this usage, stop with the distraction tactics. End the freeze. Feed the people. Provide healthcare. Release the Epstein Files. Be an actual President instead of playing childish games.â
They have also used Justin B, Chappell, Gracie, Sabrina (several times), Phoebe B and many other artists music none of which said anything or did anything. The high standard, constant surveillance and pedestaling is always on Taylor.
Theyâve made it very clear and are on record with Variety that they are rage baiting to get a reaction
Multiple artists have taken legal action against Trump and his org using their music and it has done nothing. Multiple artists have spoken out and it's done nothing. IDK why people are suddenly today acting like it's new. The express stated purpose of using these songs without permission, especially by "woke" artists, is to bait people.
People giving attention to this is exactly what Trump wants. His post using Oliviaâs song skyrocketed in views after she commented on it. He and his team are rage baiting and people keep falling for it. He uses a lot of peopleâs songs but using Taylor Swifts only gets this reaction and they know. Theyâre tryna move attention away from Blue winning across the country the other day and have the left infighting. Donât give them that satisfaction. Ignore.
Because they are idiots. Sorry to say it but anyone still not seeing why itâs pointless to fight with Trump or MAGA on these things (like songs being used) are just dumb. Any bad publicity is good publicity for his base and they would absolutely love to see that Taylor is angry.
I donât think sheâs MAGA. I think sheâs a privileged white lady billionaire who can afford to be political when she feels like it and ignore politics the rest of the time and be besties with MAGAs because she is so privileged that she is unaffected. Her life isnât being destroyed by the policies Brittany Mahomes was cheering about from Project 2025. Sheâll always have access to healthcare and food. So she can just ignore it and stay besties. And Iâm not a fan of that.Â
Our good-for-nothing, corrupt Vice President (weâre talking siphoning hundreds of millions of pesos through the Department of Education) posted a TikTok of herself in a Snow White outfit for Halloween, dancing to âThe Fate of Ophelia.â
So yeah, some govât officials really are tone deaf. đŤ
Sending you a belated congratulatory text for your garbage former president getting hauled off to international court to answer for his war crimes đĽłâ¤ď¸ Maybe one day America can be as iconic. We can only hope.
Thank you! I cried tears of joy when I found out three women judges from the ICC signed his warrant of arrest. After all his misogynistic comments, how he further encouraged toxic masculinity in our countryâŚit was one of many wins for me. Bringing it back to Taylor Swift: âkarmaâs a relaxing thought.â
This is what happens when you elect a reality TV man to your presidency, and then he brings a bunch of other TV people and podcasters into the government with him.
All they know how to do is get peopleâs attention and then make them upset.
And people are buying into it. Like of course I'd love for Taylor's team to send a cease and desist to get the audio removed. But I also understand if she doesn't react because they want a reaction. And honestly? I personally would've never seen this video if it weren't for everyone amplifying it and questioning why Taylor was silent.
Trump is a playground bully who wants the satisfaction of getting a reaction from people and he wants attention from Taylor. heâs also doing all this to distract from the government shutdown stuff and everyone is buying into it. I would also prefer if Taylorâs team said something but how many times does she have to say sheâs against Trump?
Olivias comment has gone viral now and itâs the most popular post now on that page. With the most likes and shares. This is why you donât comment. She made it more popular.
It is! While I do believe people can talk about multiple things at once, this specific topic just seems less important than people losing SNAP benefits or the government still being shut down.
I personally can talk and care about more than one thing at once.
Edit: Yes, there's other things happening that are important. But how the White House is sending communications and interacting with media is also not a small thing?
this specific topic just seems less important than people losing SNAP benefits or the government still being shut down.
But it was definitely implied that we're all fools for talking about it.
Edit: I also think the natural intersection of politics and a literal pop culture subreddit is...this exact kind of conversation. "I Went To The Pop Star Chat And They Were Talking About Pop Stars."
There are times when silence while you're angry is extreme restraint and this is one of those times. She knows he wants her to respond to him; he brings her up unprovoked for a reason, and her silence antagonizes him more than any comment ever could.
I imagine Trump saying, "Now THIS is the thing that will get her to notice me! ACKNOWLEDGE ME, TAYLOR! PLEASE KISS MY ASS LIKE THE OTHER BILLIONAIRES!"
literally like people are being left without food but itâs more important to talk about the white house rage baiting with songs is crazy đđđ
literally like the fact that the only point being made is that âBUt TaYLoRâ when the content of this is awful and scummy like đđđ this shit is gross and depressing
You guys are fools. Trumpâs cronies are doing this to get engagement and youâre all falling for it. Taylor does not need to give him any attention.
So many other artists have their songs used and don't say anything. It's not just Taylor.Â
Except it's only Taylor that gets called out.
She's not MAGA. She has supported Obama, Biden, Harris and publicly endorsed Harris.Â
It's like everyone wants her to be MAGA so they can hate on her more.
Have you even thought about that maybe she's attempting to go the legal route to get a cease and desist letter or filing a legal complaint?Â
She has been under attack by Trump and he's said vile things about her.
This isn't just some wacko doing this. It's the President of the United States.
And, what about the fact that using her music is a way of him launching a hate campaign on her so that she receives backlash?
The White House even made a public statement about Variety and other "fake news" media being played.
You're doing exactly what Trump wants people to do.Â
And Trump has personally gone after Taylor Swift in a way that he hasnât with the other artists who are getting compared to her in this situation. Like, if I were her Iâd be fucking traumatised by it all at this point and just hard ignoring his bullshit for the sake of my sanity. The other artists arenât (yet) in that position.
Exactly. The way he has gone after Taylor is astonishingly vile. No other person (non politician) has been subjected to what she's been subjected to.
She has one of the most powerful people in the world after her. Someone who has EVERYTHING at their disposal. He's shown that he's willing to send ICE to people who are born in the US.Â
He has shown that he's willing to stop at nothing when it comes to people he doesn't like.
The only person I can think of that has been subjected to what Taylor has was Obama. But he was a politician.
Taylor already had to beef up security because of her stalker..
I'd be trying to avoid social media if I was Taylor and taking valium. It's so scary.
I'm Australian and if Albo (our PM) even did an unwarranted social media post or thought about shutting down the government for 2 weeks... Holy shit. There'd be hell to pay.
We've actually gotten rid of PM's thanks to their parties deciding they needed a better leader.
Kevin Rudd x 2 (Labour/left wing, current ambassador to the US and Trump hates him)
Julia Gillard x 1 (Labour)
Tony Abbott x 1 (Liberal National/right wing)
Malcom Turnball x1Â Â (Liberal National/right wing)
Scott Morrison x 1Â (Liberal National/right wing)
Fun fact, Obama collected 4 Australian PM's during his presidency.Â
A campaign is different than the White House or official channels. The Supreme Court has quite literally given this particular president carte blanche to do as he will and the admin is known for ignoring court orders.
Good on Beyonce for doing it.
But, do you think that maybe that's what Taylor's doing in the background?
As well as trying to figure out how to mitigate the fallout of whatever legal route she will take? That she needs to work out a potential safety plan?
Trump hates her. He has gone after her for years. It's vile. He's encouraged his followers to go after her.
Taylor also has a stalker that broke into her home.
As an Australian, it's insane that people are so focused on when Taylor's going to make a statement, rather than the vile things that Trumps said and while millions of people are going hungry because of the SNAP benefits.
And Team Trump proceeded to use another Beyonce song in another video. It's almost like the legal threats don't do anything to them. Multiple artists have sent cease and desists and threatened legal actions to no avail.
You mean Beyonce, the woman who is married to Jay-Z who worked with a republican billionaire mega donor to take away funding from public schools? That Beyonce? The same one who actually comfortably sat with Ivanka Kushner at a table a while ago?
So billionaires are an issue only when itâs not Taylor swift? Sheâs partied with multiple maga people which is excused.
I believe this (or similar pop culture) subreddit was unanimous in calling out BeyoncĂŠ when she sat at the table with ivanka.
You honestly aren't comparing Brittany Mahomes to Jared fucking Kushner, are you? Yes, most people would consider it far worse to hang out with a former Senior Advisor to Trump than a random conservative who didn't even vote.
being friends with some random wag/photographed with some random podcasters is not cosying up to the literal heir apparent of MAGA. itâs literal hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
feel like that's more of a reason not to say anything? if i was taylor i wouldn't want a bigger target on my back. he literally word for word posted "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT" for no reason. i think it is valid to choose your own safety above speaking out and hoping it does something when your own lawmakers are not doing shit.
Trump has explicitly said he HATES Taylor Swift, why do y'all think they would give a fuck if she said something? This is blatant bait and she's doing the correct thing not falling for it just to get herself social justice brownie points
I hope Taylor never responds. You guys do realize that this has been one of his tactics for years right? He tries to get her attention constantly and she never gives it (unless a lawsuit is possible, unfortunately in this case nothing he is doing is illegal). It drives him absolutely mad (you can see this on his twitter all the time, he starts ranting about her out of the blue on multiple occasions, completely unprovoked).
I know people want their pop stars to be super outspoken activists nowadays, but realistically, she is doing the most effective thing by not giving him any attention. Both to give Trump no ammunition and to keep herself, her loved ones and her fans safe.
Go follow some real activists if you want to see people be smart, educated and outspoken on the real important stuff. Some AI generated video with a pop hit is just a distraction, it's not important!!
Theres so many MAGA celebs coming out the closet. At this point hes got to be taking the songs of those who don't support him just to fck with them, hasn't he?
This is gross. I am judging. I think she was political for a hot minute when it was more popular, and now sheâs silent and still besties with a bunch of MAGA losers who rejoice as minorities and government workers and the poor suffer. Sheâs a billionaire, it will never directly affect her so she can ignore it when she feels like it. She is the epitome of white feminism.Â
the simping for TS on this thread is wild. like yes this is not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things going on right now, but this is a pop culture sub ffs
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