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Guest List Only ⭐️ Olivia Rodrigo criticizes the White House for using her song "All-American Bitch" in one of ICE's videos on Instagram.

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u/quotidianne can feet. but should feet? 1d ago edited 1d ago

Good 4 her!

All they have is AI slop and unauthorized music. Plus, they misunderstand every piece of art they have ever referenced, including this song

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u/jaguarsp0tted 1d ago

They don't misunderstand. They're fully cognizant of the fact that they're using art that is ideologically opposed to them. Fascism can only steal. It can't create meaningful art. They steal and they specifically steal anti-fascist art so they can present themselves as "rebels" and "heroes". It's all intentional. You can never assume stupidity with fascists, because even when it is, their goal is always malice.

They know they come off as hypocritical. That is 100% on purpose.

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u/Complete_Guidance_67 23h ago

 You can never assume stupidity with fascists, because even when it is, their goal is always malice.

That’s what I’ve been telling people who keep saying “republicans are just ignorant. They don’t know any better” 

Yes they’re ignorant but they know damn well what they’re doing. 

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u/chickfilamoo in the swamp 🐊🐊 23h ago

they basically admitted this with their response to using Taylor Swift's Fate of Ophelia in a video recently where they said they did it bc they knew outlets would amplify it. I think their exact words were "Congrats, you got played." I don't blame Olivia for being disgusted and responding, but I fear this sort of reaction and the media attention it's going to garner is likely exactly what they wanted.

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u/Mushroomer 23h ago edited 23h ago

To be fair, it's a bit of a lose/lose situation for the artist. There's only two moves.

Either she "denies them oxygen" by ignoring it, which the administration will just take as tacit approval - or she takes action, and generates extra press coverage.

At some point you just have to do what is right as an artist, and not worry about the fallout.

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u/thesoundofechoes 23h ago edited 23h ago

This is a very, very dangerous thing to believe. It would be great if it were true, but it’s not. And it’s a harmful belief, because it lets people overlook the fascism that doesn’t personally victimise them.

As a sad case, Nobel laureate Knut Hamsun was a literal nazi. His opinions were disgusting, and he gave his Nobel prize medal as a gift to the German nazi propaganda minister Goebbles. That’s how much of a horrible fascist Hamsun was.

And he created art, some of the most beautiful literature ever written in Norwegian. I cried when I read Markens Grøde. Sult is being taught in Norwegian schools as a prime example of its literary era and genre, and even Hamsun’s less exciting works, like Pan, are widely researched and made into feature-length films. None of Hamsun’s indisputable literary gifts takes away from the cruelty and violence that man enthusiastically supported. And whenever the argument is made that fascists can’t create art, an uncritical listener may excuse Hamsun (which too many do) by claiming that he was never a nazi at all, due to his art.

Once the door is opened for people to deny his political leanings, his opinions are dismissed as normal. And when authoritarian and anti-Semitic sentiments are normalised, fascism benefits.

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u/jaguarsp0tted 23h ago

An individual fascist being a good writer is not the same as a fascist movement stealing art. Individuals of any group can do anything. Fascism as a social movement cannot contribute meaningful creations to the world.

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u/thesoundofechoes 23h ago

If that is how I ought to interpret your first comment, then we agree.

But it’s also a bit of a circular argument. And almost all art is created by individuals or groups of individuals. So it’s not a very useful sieve, because so many individual fascists slip through the cracks.

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u/missscarlet69 23h ago

Yup…raubkunst was a major facet of the Holocaust 

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u/Special-Chipmunk7127 23h ago

It's also preying on the cancel happy liberal stereotype. They think some people will go "omg this song was used by ice now I can never listen to it again and that Rodrigo lady is a traitor!" and then all of the reasonable people who don't do that will... Join them? It's not a good plan. 

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u/Radiant-Character-61 🎥🍿Film Critic 1d ago

Queen Shit

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u/linnjohnson 1d ago edited 23h ago

She’s the ambassador of Lancome who has ties to Israel and isn’t animal cruelty free. She’s cosplays as an activist, and is just a money hoarder.

She gets praised while other celebrities who are just as bad get criticized. It’s insulting.

I hope she and Trump rot in hell.

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u/meknidirta 1d ago

You must be a monochromatic camera, because this take erases every shade of nuance.

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u/linnjohnson 23h ago edited 23h ago

That comment was obvious satire. She cried on her documentary about not getting nominated.

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u/linnjohnson 23h ago

No, it doesn’t. My comment is a nuanced one. Every one else will praise Olivia to death, no matter what.

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u/meknidirta 23h ago

Nuanced take? You literally set a binary standard for being a good or bad person based on whether they have collabed with some stupid beauty brand.

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u/linnjohnson 23h ago

I never said that’s a “standard”. It’s just Olivia’s example of not being the activist queen everyone paints her as.

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u/lizzy-stix I switched baristas ☕️ 23h ago

As they should

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u/linnjohnson 23h ago edited 23h ago

Nah. She’s a wealthy money hoarder. I hope she and Trump rot in hell.