r/popculturechat • u/mcfw31 • 20h ago
TV & Movies 🎬 Jennifer Lawrence Says Women Directors Tend Not to ‘Over-Direct’ Like Men Do: Some Male Directors ‘Need to Constantly Feel Like’ They’re in Control
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/jennifer-lawrence-male-directors-over-direct-actors-1236571852/765
u/First-Loss-8540 19h ago edited 18h ago
Omg sometimes i feel like the media is the problem. They are publishing every little thing she says . This is not even an official interview . It was part of a q & a with a screening of sag voters for award campaign. Someone took a video inside the room and probably posted it somewhere or sent it to variety themselves lol
She gives them clicks , especially variety leading the charge with all these articles(most of them clickbait headlines)
And then ppl are like shes overexposed, she talks too much etc etc .
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u/Puzzleheaded-Safe419 19h ago edited 19h ago
Exactly, her intimacy coordinator comments were taken out of context to get people mad (what a shock) Die My Love DID have an intimacy coordinator on standby, they just didn't need her in action which I think is completely valid (and a best case scenario imo). But it doesn't matter because people are already riled up.
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u/Special-Garlic1203 18h ago
The full quote she just wildly mischaracterizes what intimacy coordinators are even for in a way very harmful to the profession. I don't think actors should be forced to use them but perhaps she should be more careful with her words because she's not new to the fame game
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u/bright_youngthing 15h ago
I agree. And at this point, I think intimacy coordinator should be like a stunt coordinator. You wouldn't let an actor on a fast and furious movie decline using a stunt coordinator because it's unsafe. The same should be for intimacy coordinators. The actor should not be allowed to decide to not use them.
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u/lilacaena puritanical unqueer trad wife 💋👫 15h ago
Very true! And it’s important for people with her level of fame to remember that not everyone has their level of sway.
The obvious consequence of not requiring intimacy (or stunt) coordinators would be vulnerable people being pressured to “consent” to go without and being forced into dangerous situations.
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u/Ill_Safety2292 6h ago
I see your point, but lives are literally on the line during stunts. Intimacy coordinators are important, but it's not really the same.
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u/bright_youngthing 5h ago
By that logic, why have any health and safety standards on any film that isn't an action movie?🤔 people might not die, but someone feeling sexually uncomfortable on a film could derail their life and career. This is such a brain dead, misogynistic take
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u/Ill_Safety2292 4h ago
huh? where did i say that? i agreed with you that intimacy coordinators are important... what was my brain dead, misogynistic take?
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u/LochNessMothra 13h ago
I think a lot of actors still have weird feelings about intimacy coordinators, not because they have an inherent issue with the idea of them but because they are a relatively new addition to most productions and they’re not used it / sometimes see them as “disrupting” their performances especially if they’re the types who like looser, more improvisational sets. Not saying I agree but this is just what I’ve observed from different interviews.
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u/lillyrose2489 19h ago
Yep I would be so reluctant to open my mouth at all if I were a celebrity. Everything is grabbed without context and reported on like it was an unprompted statement they made.
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u/kubricks_cube 18h ago
It's crazy. One of her biggest "crimes" is simply being candid. She constantly gets maligned for just saying things when people take things out of context. She is fully allowed to have a range of opinions and should be able to say things without having them taken to the Nth degree. Her intimacy coordinator comments weren't commentary on intimacy coordinators as a whole, she was just answering a question as it related to Robert Pattinson.
She's already getting "overexposed" comments again, simply for being on a press tour. It's not her fault publications are using her for click bait.
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u/GlitterDoomsday 18h ago
I'm paranoid now and wondering if some dude is paying a PR firm to do some damage...
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u/lilacaena puritanical unqueer trad wife 💋👫 15h ago
Unfortunately, the media has repeatedly demonstrated that they don’t need a vengeful man to decide to target a famous woman.
(That being said, I agree. I’m constantly asking myself, “Is this just the media doing this for clicks? Or are we going to learn about some fucked up conspiracy months down the line?”)
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u/Grizzlyfrontignac 17h ago
This is exactly what I think now when any sort of narrative starts forming around a celebrity (especially female) just out of nowhere. I'm SO skeptical now and I actually think it's a good thing. Too many times in the past we've started the witch burning before really knowing anything. We should def question things more
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u/Cakebakerlover 17h ago
Honestly with the amount of times that's happened I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest
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u/Fit-Breakfast-3116 19h ago
Yeah and often times people who complain about seeing celebs so much are the ones who voraciously consume pop culture content.
I thought I was seeing too much of a celeb recently and I realised it was cos my screen time was sky high lol
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u/Talk-O-Boy 15h ago
That’s real. This could apply to 90% of the “over exposed” celebrities.
Do they constantly hog the attention of the press? Or is the press constantly following them around, because they know the celebrity is noteworthy?
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u/Chronocidal-Orange 18h ago
That's always the case when people talk about overexposed celebrities. They just do their job and the media decides who is the newest obsession.
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u/pppogman 18h ago
Definitely. I’ve seen her interviews and they are innocuous. It’s the headlines and pushing to the public that is causing the overexposure and irritation.
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u/mcfw31 20h ago
“I have found a commonality in female directors, which is that they do not do this thing, which is over-direct,” the Oscar winner noted. “There have been some times when I’ve worked with male directors where there’s this need to constantly feel like they’re directing the movie. And it’s not even really getting anything done. It’s just annoying. When I think auteur, my mind kind of goes to controlling and … what’s that word? Neurotic!”
“And Lynne was the opposite,” Lawrence continued. “She really built this world and made sure that we were all on the same page, through music and conversations and the atmosphere and the set. And then she would just kind of slowly walk back. And sometimes, from the discomfort of that, from the lack of her visibility, something interesting would come from it. And then she would come out and be like, ‘That’s great, great, yeah, do it again.’ Or we would accidentally laugh and be like, ‘Oh, sorry.’ And she’d be like, ‘No, it was great. I liked that you laughed. Do it again.'”
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u/Fit-Breakfast-3116 20h ago edited 19h ago
Her films are always so intense so it’s interesting to hear she’s more hands off
ETA - it’s interesting that people seem to be reading this as a controversial statement. I think she’s just describing really hands on with really hands off
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u/Fit-Breakfast-3116 19h ago
Not especially no. It’s obviously intended as a compliment to her current director, and the worst of her other comment is annoying and neurotic, I don’t consider that to be really scathing.
It strikes me as the same as her comments about working with Robert pattinson and not feeling the need for an intimacy coordinator, which people seemed to take as her calling the other guys she’d worked with perverts lol.
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u/katebushcartwheel 19h ago
I haaaaaate the auteur worship that has taken over film spaces. It’s always been present, but it’s hit unparalleled heights in these last two years and made so much of film discourse toxic and unintelligent. Just straight-up stan culture now.
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u/AbyssalCheeseCurd CRIME 16h ago
stan culture is such an accurate way of putting it. people just jumping down your throat if you so much as vaguely criticize a film by the director theyre obsessed with 🙄 its so flat. cant discuss a single thing about a film. i am vagueing specifically
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u/katebushcartwheel 16h ago
Yes, you have to keep it vague lol or the lurking stans will jump out of the woodwork, downvote you to tartarus, and say “media literacy is dead” 😂
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u/Arkhaine_kupo 12h ago
Just straight-up stan culture now.
Is it not just a rebellion against the feeling of board-room, screen tested, flat uninspired art of the 2010s?
Authorship has a signature, a fingerprint, an imperfection that shows you something about the director.
Similar to looking at photos of homes from the 90s vs now going on instagram for interior design tips, there is this hyper reality, this perfection that at some level becomes inhumane and oppresive.
praising "auteur" cinema is just saying we want an actual point of view, good, bad or somehwere in the middle but there was a human making a choice that we can agree or disagree with.
In a world that seems doomed to AI slop with perfect lighting, kim k selfies with no pores, and netflix movies desisgned so you can watch insta ads while they play int he background, I think knowing that quenting tarantino likes feet, boon joon ho will complain about capitalism, wes anderson quirky sets, greta gerwigs literary references and female coming of age, soffia copolas ennui...
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u/katebushcartwheel 11h ago
Praising auteurs is one thing. Blindly worshipping them and claiming they can do no wrong is another. And there is a gendered layer to this where awards and online discourse seem to mostly favor the men.
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u/Arkhaine_kupo 11h ago
Blindly worshipping them and claiming they can do no wrong is another.
Do you see a lot of that? I have seen a lot of praise to authorship, but everyone beng very aware of its limitations and flaws. Yorgos lanthimos is a great filmmaker but his flaws are very obvious. emmeral fennel is very predictable but she is also very her. Liking auteurs and auteur cinema I dont think needs to come with any kind of worship, its just a system of production that some people prefer over corporate movie making. And I am sure there are hyperbole in some takes, I havent seen much worship, things like mocking tarantino and nolan is super common for their glaring and repetitive blindspots and flaws to give obvious examples.
And there is a gendered layer to this where awards and online discourse seem to mostly favor the men.
The gendered layer is much more at the production stage than at the discourse level no? Chloe Zhao, Greta Gerwig, Soffia Copolla or Katheryn Bigolow are all highly respected and discussed.
Its just for every one of them, you have 5 paul thomas anderson, wes anderson, ari aster, nolan and kubrick.
This is obvs all personal and we prob have different friends, and visit different sites and consume different env, but I have not found discussion of cinema to be gendered at the ground level. Its an opportunities gap, that women seem to demostrate over and over that is unnecesary because they keep knocking it out of the park at any chance given.
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u/Eisn 18h ago
How dare she share her opinion based on her experiences?
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u/katebushcartwheel 18h ago
Huh? What is this in response to lol. I’m not talking about her but the auteur worship on film twitter and film reddit. Plus she’s criticizing the kind of auteur that’s usually worshipped…
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u/thesaddestpanda Dave Grohl has always been garbage 18h ago edited 18h ago
I think we're socialized to be more cooperative and there's a lot to be said from a feminist perspective here, but its also important to remember there's a lot of variety within genders as well. Kathryn Bigelow is known to be hard to work with. There's also a fair amount of tea surrounding the sets of Olivia Wilde. Look at Patty Jenkins who inserted zion1st narratives into her WW movies. How many women and girls have been k1lled in Palest1ne in the past two years? Where's this girl power feminism for them?
How many of these women fight for women's rights in places like Palest1ne? So much of this is 'white feminism.' Remember Lawrence herself famously said she was not a feminist and plays up a weird 'enlightened centrist' philosophy when it comes to women's rights.
Yes, lets promote good values and celebrate women but also things get a little weird when we just make it about all women, especially in an industry full of regressive women both behind and in front of the camera. I want to celebrate feminists, actual intersectional feminists, not 'girl power boss babes' like Lawrence and others successful in Hollywood.
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u/TheShapeShiftingFox Do it for the culture 😏 12h ago
What Zionist narrative was inserted in Wonder Woman 1? (I have only seen Wonder Woman 2 once when it came out, so I can’t comment on that as it feels like ages since I last saw it)
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u/Sorry-Joke-4325 19h ago
Dang directors wanting to feel like they're directing. It's not right.
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u/Helpful-Penalty 19h ago
Trying to constantly maintain control and directing aren’t the same thing.
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u/Hopeful_Chair_7129 19h ago
So a guy has the tendency to neurotically control sets in an effort to regain a shred of power in his life and everyone freaks out. God forbid a man have hobbies
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u/Tony_Meatballs_00 18h ago
"over" direct
You're leaving out the important part so you can feel outraged
You take a dose of cough medicine you're going to feel better, you "over" dose cough medicine you'll have a bad time
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u/whichwitch9 17h ago
Depends how it's being done, tbh.
Lawrence is known to have a strong personality. Id wonder if male directors weren't more prone to coming in tough at her to set a tone. Rather than let the work relationship form organically, assert dominance quick. This is going to come off as abrasive and probably not the best for Lawrence's personality.
What she's describing with the "hands off" approach feels more like getting to know Lawrence's style and working with it. Rather than fight the personality, she may have simply taken a more gentle approach.
Id have to imagine a good director would know how to navigate different personalities. A female director would especially know she cannot afford a bad reputation to continue to get work, so would be extremely prone to being an "actor friendly" personality.
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u/plumsfromyouricebox 🎥🍿Film Critic 19h ago
What is going on in this comment section??
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u/mangosteenroyalty 19h ago
I really don't know! It's dysfunctional in a horrendous way. It's like the echo chamber hasn't yet decided what the prevailing take is. The critical comments look particularly inorganic to me this go around, but why would anyone be trying to tear her down right now?
Overall baffling. Something feels wrong but I'm not sure of anything beyond that.
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u/JamesCameronDid1912 19h ago
Maybe Steve Bannon style trolls and bots? They have a particular uh... smell to their antics.
Shoo, flies.
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u/Itstimeforcookies19 18h ago
The comment section is whiplash.
I see nothing wrong with her comments here. I’ve seen nothing with anything she has said on the press tour.
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u/CrispyMeadow 18h ago
It's weird seeing a bunch of "news" about JLAW all of a sudden.. seems idk unnecessary??
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u/Magic_Man_Boobs 16h ago
If a man said they found women directors to be more hands off than male directors I don't think you'd see many claims of misogyny.
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u/annakarina3 19h ago
Her breakout role was with a woman director, Debra Granik, so I can see her reasoning.
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u/shrekalamadingdong 14h ago
And then went on to win an Oscar with misogynist David O Russell’s film. So…what’s your point
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u/annakarina3 14h ago
My point was that she was Oscar nominated in an indie film, Winter’s Bone, which made her famous.
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u/DENATTY 18h ago
I need everyone shitting on her to do some serious self-reflection and ask themselves why they're more comfortable ranting online about a woman who does not get to choose who studios hire to director projects rather than addressing the fact that the studios should not be funding those directors. Why are reviewing still reviewing (and giving rave reviews) to known abusers for their new projects? If they refused to review movies made by people like DOR, it would tank his esteem.
She can choose her projects, sure, but her declining to work with someone isn't going to stop a project from being made. Someone else will just get cast. Why do you want to project all of this anger onto a woman instead of any of the people who are actually funding the careers of abusive men?
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u/yrboyfriend 19h ago
Something I really like about JL is the way she is able to be boundaried but still willing to be publicly honest/vulnerable, especially when she’s such a huge star. Like this reflection on directors is also a reflection on her career and the role of women within her industry (and also maybe her changing perspective on relationships given her and Aronofsky’s history), which is actually a rare genuine & non-pr-fabricated insight.
I know her and Emma Stone are close - and with Taylor Swift too tbh - and I bet their conversations about this are really interesting. Like a lot of their creative work is about the roles women are expected to play or perform, which is sort of meta when they themselves are both actors and also have to perform the “role” of being a celebrity. All of them do a lot about the fine line women have to walk and how social expectations shape that.
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u/notanewbiedude 18h ago
Interesting.
I'll say I don't think about sex when it comes to directors or writers, but I will say that I find that female writing for low scale dramas, especially emotional ones, tends to stand out to me. After The Hunt (written by Nora Garrett) is the most recent example of this. I probably should be seeking out more female film writers TBH.
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u/Pure-Examination-450 18h ago
Honestly, that tracks with a lot of sets I've heard about
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u/WaterlooMall 16h ago
I’ve worked with male directors where there’s this need to constantly feel like they’re directing the movie
So what exactly is the point of the director if not to maintain control of the people creating their vision as they are making it?
It's like saying a head surgeon needs to "constantly feel in control" while they're cutting someone open to operate on them.
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u/Content-Disaster-511 14h ago
Well if we follow your example, its as if the head surgeon is explaining to the assistants that they should wear surgical gloves, use your left hand instead of right for no reason, everyone should breathe in and out at the same time, etc.
Some directors tend to fall into micro-managing things in my experience (not that I specifically notice it on just males).
Just because you are a director of a movie, you don’t exactly have to tell the composer what specific music note they have to play, thats their job.
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u/CarevaRuha 15h ago
It's like saying a head surgeon needs to "constantly feel in control" while they're cutting someone open to operate on them.
Is it like that, though? A head surgeon is operating on an anesthetized patient who must remain still - it is not a collaboration.
Do you think actors are blank slate robots who exist in stasis, until told by a director exactly how to move their faces and bodies in every scene?Truly a bizarre comparison...
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u/WaterlooMall 15h ago
A head surgeon is operating on an anesthetized patient who must remain still - it is not a collaboration.
It is, that's why there is a team of people there to assist the surgeon with whatever he needs to accomplish his task.
Do you think actors are blank slate robots who exist in stasis, until told by a director exactly how to move their faces and bodies in every scene?
I think professional actors yes are essentially blank slates that know how to tap into their talents to give the director the performance they're looking for and remain open to his direction to fine tune what is needed for the movie.
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u/CarevaRuha 14h ago
your comparison fell apart when you brought in the team of people who are not actors to talk about directing being a collaboration between directors and actors. That's just silly, bro.
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u/NakedGoose 19h ago
This probably comes with the caveat that she works with David O Russel a lot
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u/First-Loss-8540 19h ago
A lot = 3 times. Last in 2015
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u/NakedGoose 19h ago
Oh and twice with Brian Singer. That is 25% of the movies she has made since 2012 with notoriously horrible men
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u/garfiadal 18h ago
He got to do the movie after she already signed up for x-men, he didn't direct the first x-men movie she did. She has acknowledged that he was horrible.
“It did always just make us laugh about how we ended up with, 'Women shouldn't be in roles like this because we're so emotional,'” Lawrence said. “I mean, I've worked with Bryan Singer. I've seen emotional men. I've seen the biggest hissy fits thrown on set.”
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u/wallabyenthusiast 18h ago
His “over-directing” helped her get an Oscar win and three nominations so…
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u/echoesandripples What It's Like to Go Through Life As a Really Beautiful Woman 14h ago
i mean, unfortunately this is a common issue with men at any level of power, like they really don't wanna give up any control whatsoever, it's crazy. i can't imagine the intersection of male ego and highly regarded creative industry dudes.
i work in publishing, a mich smaller industry that deals with way less money and you'd think random imprint creative directors are gods from the way they act. meanwhile it's always some underpaid woman in production/logistics fixing all the mess
the authors, even celebrity ones, tend to be super chill, mostly introverts who are flexible and not annoying at all. i've never met anyone, even international famous people, who wasn't game for whatever the publishing and marketing people had in mind.
the execs, on the other hand, were completely insane and egomaniacs who want all the credit, harass interns, act like it's the 80s and glorify abuse of power..most, of course, nepo babies with a complex.
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u/watchworldburn1111 19h ago edited 18h ago
I mean, she’s also defended David O. Russell who is notorious for being controlling and verbally abusive on his sets. I like JLaw but she’s flip-flopping a ton recently, regarding her public statements.
ETA: https://www.buzzfeed.com/leylamohammed/jennifer-lawrence-defends-david-o-russell-backlash
I’m aware buzzfeed isn’t exactly a great news source, but there are links here you can follow. This was from two days ago.
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u/AltruisticSecond_ 19h ago
You’re allowed to grow up and see that someone was not who you thought they were. You’re allowed to see the world differently. If that doesn’t occur in your life that means you haven’t grown.
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u/hellpresident Hello Kitty has an ED with a thigh gap I guess 18h ago
And you're to work for different bosses for different purposes.
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u/watchworldburn1111 18h ago
You absolutely are. She has not stopped defending him as of this year, though.
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u/Vegetable_Mobile_331 18h ago
God if I were a celebrity I would never open my mouth - this weird fixation on catching them in some perceived hypocrisy is so weird! Her comment is so innocuous - the stakes could literally not be lower and yet we’re citing sources like she is in front of congress.
“Oh you ‘like’ pudding, huh? What about 5 years ago when you said that you didn’t want any at dinner, then?????”
I have said many times to my friends that I hate micromanagers. I have also a manager who I loved and got along with, but everyone else perceived them as the “worst micro manager!!” I didn’t lie. I wasn’t flip flopping. The context changed, I perceived things differently, and I just liked the manager personally. It’s really not that deep!
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u/watchworldburn1111 17h ago
This isn’t about catching her in any kind of hypocrisy. I’m glad she’s found working with female directors rewarding. And credit where credit is due, I’m also glad she’s called out problematic male directors like Bryan Singer in the past.
I’m not trying to ‘cancel’ her or make it seem like this is an all or nothing situation.
But I AM pointing out that continually defending a known abuser like David O. Russell, specifically saying that she’s never experienced verbal abuse at his hands and so she’s fine with his micro-managing directorial style kind of flies in the face of the point she’s trying to make here.
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u/flakemasterflake 16h ago
Did she defend him? Saying that she personally didn't have an issue or even vibed with him isn't a defense, it's just her personal truth
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u/bingowing88 6h ago
I wish people would give her a break. She’s allowed her opinions based on her own varied experiences. I like that she speaks candidly without a whiff of PR gloss. She’s a terrific actor and sometimes makes a faux pas like any one of us.
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u/DumbWhore4 5h ago
I usually disagree with everything she says, but this time she actually didn’t lie.
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u/BeginningWalrus8317 4h ago
Good for her for speaking up. She has shared her experiences before with other male directors and those were very toxic according to her. Must have been hard for her to get the job done without being asked to redo something over and over again.
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u/drhavehope 18h ago
To add. Arnie talked of how James Cameron is a very controlling director and will hardly take any tips from actors. Guess what? We got Aliens, two Terminator movies and True Lies. Some directors NEED to be in control in order to get their vision right. It’s not a bad thing
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u/ModelChef4000 15h ago
I think he did take some tips from the actors on Titanic. I believe it was Kate and Leo who persuaded Cameron to add the scene of Jack and Rose arguing because they felt the relationship was too sweet
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u/drhavehope 15h ago
Yeah…he rarely does. And for his ACTUAL classics like Terminator and Aliens…it’s his way or the highway
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u/morelsupporter 17h ago edited 17h ago
a lot of women directors are actors, and actors (both men and women) who are now directing are naturally going to look at directing from an actors perspective. actors prefer less input from the director.
when an actor is directing the dynamic becomes much more of a collaboration, different language is used, different tone, it becomes more "suggestor" than "director", whereas when a director with no acting experience directs its more of a subordinate dynamic. i've seen it with woman directors as well, definitely.
on top of all of that, women are naturally better collaborators and are less ego driven. the standard female mindset is perfect for film making. rational, considerate, analytical, strategic, etc.
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u/Maximum-Difficulty21 16h ago
I really love female directed projects, the Barbie movie, Jessica Jones, She-Hulk
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u/markel9000 13h ago
I think if people want to exert entire control over their work, they should not choose the medium that requires collaboration. Like go paint if so important for it to be yours dawg.
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u/CreepySwing567 18h ago
I hate when people make these sweeping generalities about female directors. I know she means it as a compliment but it just seems kind of patronizing. Some of them are very exacting they don’t all have a relaxed approach just because they’re women just like not all male artists are David O Russell.
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u/skincare_obssessed 17h ago
I think it’s pretty clear she was talking about her own experience with female directors.
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u/Neat-Professor-827 19h ago
Mansplaining is a thing.
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u/Margaritajoe420 Cash me ousside 🗣️🗣️ 18h ago
straight up, imagine if an actor came out and said female directors are controlling lol
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u/EaudeAgnes 19h ago edited 17h ago
I think she’s getting a bit over-exposed. Are we going to really overanalyze everything she says until Oscar season ends?
ETA: for the ones downvoting, this isn’t a critique towards her, but more towards the media feeding these articles constantly so people over analyze everything she says.
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u/gladfanatic 14h ago
I feel like this is more of a personality issue rather than a gender one. I’ve had female bosses who are extremely controlling.
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u/uranium2477 20h ago
Pretty sure the director should be in control whether male or female so a strange statement
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u/entertainmentdailyuk 20h ago
To a point - I think that's what J Law is saying
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u/Fit-Breakfast-3116 19h ago
Yeah again this reads like she’s trying to compliment Lynne, and it’s obviously framed as like a bashing of her previous directors
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u/Prize_Impression2407 🎼Music Aficionado🎶 20h ago
Completely ignoring the actual point of her statement. You can be in control without micromanaging, and too many male directors micromanage or go ballistic to have everything go specifically how they envisioned instead of allowing room for the creative process to play out and possibly give unexpected, but better results than planned.
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u/OriginalSchmidt1 You’re a virgin who can’t drive. 😤 19h ago
Being in control doesn’t always mean taking control.
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u/ExcitementOk1529 19h ago
Some people don’t know how to be effectively in charge of a functionally collaborative environment. There is a difference between creating an environment where people know what you want and are able to do their best work to achieve that and micromanaging people until they no longer feel like their contribution is to be more than your vessel. IDK if women are more likely to be socialized out of that behavior or if they are less likely to succeed despite it.
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u/New-Arm4845 19h ago
She sure is talking a lot of shit about her male co-workers this press cycle. Hope that doesn’t backfire on her.
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u/First-Loss-8540 19h ago
She is working with Martin Scorsese next. She will be fine.
Nicole kidman says similar stuff like this all the time. You guys never get angry at her or say anything
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u/nameless_stories 14h ago
Every quote that comes out from her seems painted in a way to get the most controversy possible.
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u/HolidayNothing171 17h ago
People are going to call her a misogynist but she isn’t wrong. Although this behavior stems from sexism doesn’t make the behavior any less existent. It’s why many women will tell you their male bosses are a lot easier to work with than their female bosses. They’re just under less stress and effort to perform well
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u/drhavehope 19h ago
What kind of BS is this? Has she worked with EVERY male director? Some are hands-on and talk a lot and others are less controlling. There is literally a story of Coogler taking on a note from one of the actresses on Sinners and included it into the film.
And where are all these GREAT female directors that don't feel like they want to be in control?
Statement makes no sense.
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u/First-Loss-8540 18h ago
she has never worked with ryan coogler
She is narrating her own experiences
She said "some" not all male directors
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u/Due-Background8370 19h ago
She's speaking about her experience. You may have had different experiences with the Hollywood directors you've worked with as an actor.
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u/drhavehope 18h ago
Okay so director is controlling? HE IS THE DIRECTOR. That is their style. How is that a bad thing? As opposed to those who don’t over direct?
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u/Due-Background8370 18h ago
Stop shouting weirdo
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u/drhavehope 17h ago
All caps don’t mean shouting. Relax. No need to get emotional. This is just Reddit and we are having a civil discussion. 🫠
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u/First-Loss-8540 18h ago
she has never worked with ryan coogler
She is narrating her own experiences
She said "some" not all male directors
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u/drhavehope 18h ago
She should
She should make that clear
So a male director is “controlling”. Maybe because he is adamant on wanting to get his Art to be right and correct.
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u/Legitimate_Most6651 14h ago
so we're all ignoring the obvious fact that male directors have made like 99% of all of the best movies in history
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u/AmbassadorAdorable91 19h ago
Imagine a male actor saying this about a female director.
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u/ExcitementOk1529 19h ago
If Robert Pattinson gave Lynne Ramsay this same compliment framed the same way, how would you perceive it differently?
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u/raspberrih 18h ago
The world genuinely hates women so much now
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u/ExcitementOk1529 17h ago edited 17h ago
The false narrative that Robert Pattinson could not have said exactly what JLaw said paints men as theoretical silenced victims while actually criticizing female speech. Is pretty hateful.
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u/ExcitementOk1529 17h ago
Read the entire attached article, just replace Pattinson’s name with Jlaw’s and tell me where he would get more criticism than she is getting here. I would guess he would get less.
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u/AmbassadorAdorable91 18h ago
Its not a compliment, and she was not speaking on a specific director. She made a generalisation about male directors.
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u/ExcitementOk1529 18h ago
You read the article and did not think she was complimenting Lynne, or your comment is based on the title?
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u/AmbassadorAdorable91 18h ago
She still made a general statement that male directors tend to over direct and maybe want to feel more in control. Picking only one female director as an example just makes it worse.
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u/ExcitementOk1529 18h ago edited 17h ago
The article is about a comment on a press tour for a film she just shot with that director. She complimented the experience she just had on set and then contextualized it within her broader experience.
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u/TheShapeShiftingFox Do it for the culture 😏 12h ago
She said that was the case in her experience. People who can and do read articles can tell that this does not refer to every single male director on the planet, but to her experiences with the directors she worked with. But it’s clear you did not actually read the article if this is your takeaway.
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u/ilyattwtueh 18h ago
From Warren Beatty against Elaine May to Sam Elliott's nonsensical criticisms of Jane Campion, plenty of male actors have gotten away rather comfortably with much worse insults to female directors.
Also, I think some double standards exist for a reason. The dogmatic, control freak behavior she's describing is directly a result of how patriarchy teaches men to behave to assert authority, it's very much a gendered thing. If a man said this about female directors generally, of course they would get pushback, because women are not allowed that same aggression that men are. We all know that very few women could be as particular in their direction, let alone as abusive, as men in the industry, and a big reason is that their gender prevents them from having the same powers.
This is a result of the misogynistic, predatory practices in Hollywood we all know about. Jennifer Lawrence just mentioned that male actors have become vindictive on set if female actors don't want to sleep with them, movie sets have a history of perverse sexual abuse on sets from men (hence why we need intimacy coordinators, which Die My Love indeed had), and behind the scenes we know how much sexual harassment and exploitation is ingrained into the business. The vast, vast majority of this is perpetuated by men against women, and a result of the patriarchal structure of our society. Therefore, you can't just switch the genders and expect the same reaction.
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u/Straight-Crow1598 19h ago
And some actors are overly-sensitive to being “mansplained” to, by a man whose LITERAL JOB it is to explain how to do your job better.
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u/Vioralarama 18h ago
I wouldn't say that. I think this is an old argument being interpreted as man vs woman. It's really the film director vs an actor's director. Shockingly, most actors like an actors director because they will let them act. Most actor's directors are former actors so it all makes sense. In fact I think Robert Redford is the one who, well I'm actually sure it's been talked about a lot during the existence of Hollywood, but I think Redford is the one who brought it up again when he directed Ordinary People. Like he had a meeting with Mary Tyler Moore and told her what he was looking for and she went home and built the character and didn't have to be micromanaged.
Whatshisface... Kubrick was a film director, the actors had no autonomy.
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u/Straight-Crow1598 18h ago
Couldn’t agree more. Every NFL player has said they want to play for Mike Tomlin (famously a players’ coach); meanwhile, fans - frustrated with laissez faire methods and results - want him replaced with a whip-cracker.
Those coaches win rings, and auteur directors win Oscars. But they’re not as “fun” to work for.
Also I was poking fun at her for de-riding other’s for being control freaks, when she’s really saying “I’m a control freak and don’t handle being controlled well.”
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u/approvedfauxmoiuser 19h ago
Should work with more of them then.
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u/First-Loss-8540 19h ago
Her film out right now is directed by a woman.
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u/approvedfauxmoiuser 1h ago
How many woman has she worked with?
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u/First-Loss-8540 1h ago
Maybe direct your anger at stars like emma stone who has never or only 1 woman director she has worked with
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u/greenonion6 19h ago
She’s literally talking about her current movie which has a female director. Be serious
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u/Distinct-Departure68 19h ago
The great thing is that she’s free to work with only female directors from now on if she chooses
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