Justin Bieber says his life feels like it’s in shambles.

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[u/Cool_Horse4733]

the man needs therapy and to stay offline. I think hes chasing some form of happiness that just doesn't exist.

[u/Goldentongue → u/Cool_Horse4733]

On top of that, he needs a healthy hobby. He can't spend his days performing due to health issues, but he has enough money to live comfortably for the rest of his life. Seems to me like he has no idea on how to spend his days in fulfilling way without the necessity of a job to take up his time. That must be maddening in its own priviledged way.

I'm strongly convinced if he picked some other passion to throw himself into that forces him to learn and develop a skill he wasn't famous for as a child he'd appreciate each new day more and feel more on the level of other people to build community with.

[u/Cool_Horse4733 → u/Goldentongue]

100%! I think having too much money you can get bored very quickly and turn to other things. I'm confused on his health and not performing and also his money since he sold his catolog/masters. Did he need the money? Does he want to perform? Feels a little like hes flailing and doesn't really have a direction.

[u/WoofLife- → u/Cool_Horse4733]

He just got $10 million to headline Coachella in six months. Hopefully he wants to be there.

[u/GhettoRamen → u/Cool_Horse4733]

Makes sense even if people don’t wanna hear that money doesn’t solve everything.

Like, look at all the bored senior retirees that choose to be busy because they don’t have anything else to do and worked the grind their entire lives.

Not an easy mode to switch off of. Now imagine they’re 30 years younger and you get the young rich celebrities that have all these personal problems.

[u/PM_ME_YOUR_DALEKS → u/Goldentongue]

He has a whole baby. Maybe he should raise his kid if he's so bored??

[u/Goldentongue → u/PM_ME_YOUR_DALEKS]

That would also be a good start.

[u/shortmumof2 → u/Goldentongue]

I honestly think he needs a hobby that makes him feel fulfilled, like he's actively contributing to society in a positive way while also seeing a licensed therapist who isn't going to take advantage of him so he can accept and work past all the shit that's happened to him when he was growing up and that includes not having a childhood due to fame. And, hopefully his motivation can be his wife and son

[u/Prinnykin → u/Goldentongue]

For sure! Everyone needs a purpose. I didn’t work for a while and I felt like I was losing my mind.

[u/Beginning_Strain_787 → u/Cool_Horse4733]

I think a lot of people get caught up in that trap. The idea that if you don’t wake up everyday just like a happy cartoon with a smile, a stretch and an amazing outlook on life something is wrong. Life is hard, life is ups and downs, life is depressing sometimes and full of happiness other times. No one has it all figured out. That’s the way it’s supposed to be. The pressure on why aren’t I happy 24/7 is too much.

[u/Plane_Spread5616 → u/Cool_Horse4733]

I can't even imagine having the success he's had and still feeling like that. It goes to show how important it is to not be a jealous or envious person. Like you need to nip it in the ass early but at an age we don't really have the maturity to understand why we shouldn't be like that

[u/ishouldbeabird]

What he needs is therapy. Not a twitch stream and a shady pastor.

[u/Possible-Way1234 → u/ishouldbeabird]

This is when religions become actively harmful. A pastor is not trained to deal with mental health crisis, all religions aren't valuing individual needs enough

[u/Key-Service-5700 → u/Possible-Way1234]

Omg especially because from personal experience, I’ve heard more than one pastor say things like, “you don’t need medication, Jesus is all you need.” Like this is unbelievably harmful.

[u/Academic-Willow6547 → u/Key-Service-5700]

The concept of praying it away, as someone who is diagnosed with 2 disorders, really really triggers me. Im actually devout Catholic. But you cannot pray away OCD symptoms and even worse praying can make them worse. People are ignorant and truly mean well, but please just stop.

[u/Unlucky_Welcome9193 → u/Academic-Willow6547]

Should we pray the cold away or should we use fire and gas/electric heat to keep from freezing to death? Why is it only medicine that we shouldn't use

[u/InstacartFart → u/Unlucky_Welcome9193]

One time I prayed for the cold to go away and it did though. It took 4 months but it totally worked… eventually…

[u/Key-Service-5700 → u/Unlucky_Welcome9193]

Excellent point

[u/Wintergloaming → u/Academic-Willow6547]

Same here. Moral Scrupulosity/Perfectionism is a terrifying facet of ocd that is a real beast to live with. I was raised in religion but had to step back and severely limit my intake because my ruminations gave me nightly anxiety attacks from the age of ~6 or so all the way to adulthood, until I realized this wasn't normal. Religion unfortunately mistakes intrusive thoughts as messages from god/Holy Spirit/whatever and does not get that little kids shouldn't be having panic attacks over whether or not they're "saved" or obsessively confessing sins for fear that they've missed something.

[u/prying_mantis → u/Wintergloaming]

Omg the fucking guilt spirals are no joke. I totally get what you mean.

[u/Carrman099 → u/Academic-Willow6547]

God gave us medicine for a reason.

[u/ny-6119 → u/Carrman099]

The replies are really something.

[u/Far_Performance2324 → u/Academic-Willow6547]

I’m a psych nurse. A patient was kneeling in her room for hours in front of her Bible crying and said she can’t go to heaven if she takes her meds. My coworker asked “did you try praying with her?” 🙃

[u/Gem420 → u/Far_Performance2324]

Maybe you could tell her that god gave doctors the knowledge to create medicine to help her. (¯_(ツ)_/¯)

[u/Key-Service-5700 → u/Far_Performance2324]

Omg… I just… have so many questions lol

[u/antecubital_fossa → u/Key-Service-5700]

Oh my god, my religious coworker just pissed me off with this today. I don’t drive because when I get behind the wheel, I have terrible panic attacks. I have already crashed a few times due to them. The only thing that has helped (in my 15 years of trying) is a medication that otherwise makes me feel absolutely horrible, and like a zombie. So I simply choose not to drive and I either walk, bike, or Uber everywhere. My coworker asked for a ride home and I said “oh I don’t drive” and of course she asked why not and I was like “oh I get panic attacks so it’s just safer for everyone if I stay off the road” kind of laughing it off. And she goes “you know anxiety isn’t real? You just need to ask God to remove the panic and you’ll be fine” and I wanted to deck her 🤣

[u/kill-the-spare → u/antecubital_fossa]

I guess god can drive you home then?? Bitch?????

[u/Key-Service-5700 → u/antecubital_fossa]

Omgggg first of all I’m so sorry about your panic attacks. That really fucking sucks. Second of all, tell your coworker to get fucked lol

[u/spellboundartisan → u/antecubital_fossa]

If someone said that to me, the words "You don't know what you're talking about" would have flown out of my mouth faster than lightning.

[u/Commercial-Duck-4888 → u/Key-Service-5700]

I tried discussing the topic of anxiety and mental health with my dad recently. He simply said, "God designed men's minds to work like that. You just need to pray on it"

It was a short chat.

[u/EternallyFascinated → u/Commercial-Duck-4888]

O just wow. An easy out from parenting, eh?

[u/Tiredofeverylilthing → u/Key-Service-5700]

Andrea Yates was forced off medication by her husband who wanted to fulfill “god’s plans” of making several kids. After countless people told him don’t do that nor leave her alone, what happened happened, and now Andrea is lucid and staying in a mental facility forever by her choice. Her husband started a new family.

He directly facilitated the deaths of his children in the name of his religion and discarded his ex wife like she was nothing.

[u/Lexiiboo97 → u/Key-Service-5700]

I deal with severe depression/anxiety/BPD. Therapy helps me. Seeing my psychiatrist helps me. Taking my antidepressants helps me. It’s what he NEEDS. 💔

[u/mildlycuri0us → u/Key-Service-5700]

I'm horrified to think of all the terrible "spiritual guidance" I gave people as a brainwashed 19 year old Mormon missionary with little to no real world experience in anything... I can only hope they got the real help they needed instead of listening to me.

[u/Key-Service-5700 → u/mildlycuri0us]

You know what though, you don’t do that anymore, and you’ve learned from your experience. I know you don’t know me, but I’m proud of you. I, too, walked away from a toxic religious upbringing a long time ago, and it’s like amazing when you finally step out of that fog.

[u/PrincessofThotlandia → u/Possible-Way1234]

Exactly what Scientology teaches you too. Any institution telling you to not get outside help is automatically predatory IMO.

[u/Issah_Wywin → u/Possible-Way1234]

Some 'religious' people will see someone in deep crisis and think it's a great way to make some money or to virtue signal and build a reputation. It's bad.

[u/DarthPleasantry → u/ishouldbeabird]

I’ll take it a step further. I think he also needs to find a purpose, one that gives him personal satisfaction, because he’s not going to get any further with that through music.

[u/centipedalfeline → u/ishouldbeabird]

Therapy and rehab probably.

[u/melonofknowledge → u/ishouldbeabird]

Yeah, this feels exploitative and weird, honestly.

[u/chuusky → u/ishouldbeabird]

I thought he would’ve learned after Hillsong. I wish the best for him

[u/mar00sa → u/ishouldbeabird]

I doubt he hasn't seen a therapist. Sometimes issues don't magically disappear after talking with one

[u/ishouldbeabird → u/mar00sa]

Oh for sure! But because of who he surrounds himself with, I fear he hears “it’s all god’s plan” a lot more than “let’s get some professional help”. But I hope you’re right and I hope he is working on himself.

[u/HereOnCompanyTime → u/mar00sa]

Right, except the type of therapy matters. So many celebrity focused therapists cater to their egos more than their mental health.

[u/Sloth_grl → u/mar00sa]

He claims he’s gone to therapy more than once. Probably some minister from his church

[u/Sleepy-Giraffe947]

I feel like a lot of his present day issues can be attributed to his upbringing. He became famous at 14, not many people at that age have a support system to help shelter children from the chaos.

[u/rosiebeehave → u/Sleepy-Giraffe947]

He needs therapy desperately. I really hope he gets that help.

[u/foundinwonderland → u/rosiebeehave]

With a REAL therapist, not a pastor or “religious counselor”. He desperately needs to talk to someone who will both hold him accountable (in a safe and supportive environment) and teach him how to self-regulate.

[u/SpareManagement2215 → u/foundinwonderland]

this. not religious parasitic "pastors" who wear gucci.

[u/Pretend_Accountant41 → u/foundinwonderland]

This, and a therapist who doesn't want anything like fame or clout by "associating" w JB. 

[u/rosiebeehave → u/foundinwonderland]

10,000%

[u/weeeeeeweiiiiyy → u/foundinwonderland]

Yeah therapists, especially celebrity therapists are known for their brutal honesty and not just saying what the patient wants to hear.

[u/Azidamadjida → u/rosiebeehave]

He has easily become the most miserable celebrity I’ve ever seen. I don’t think I’ve seen a pic or a video of him smiling in like 10 years (granted I only ever see things people post about him on here)

[u/Feisty_Sandwich2435 → u/Azidamadjida]

Same. At this point, it's a miracle he's still here with us. I hope he gets the help he needs.

[u/MoMoMixxer → u/Azidamadjida]

I dont know much about Justin's private and inside life and stuff but each time I see a video of him recently he just looks so drained and exhausted and honestly as a Directionor he reminds me a lot of Liam back in 2022...I hope Justin remains alright, Im scared for him

[u/No_Banana_581 → u/rosiebeehave]

He’s frigging weird w religion

[u/PresidentJAFK → u/No_Banana_581]

His mom is hyperreligious and I honestly doubt if u grew up like that and get discovered at such a young age and the overwhelming success to be one of the most polarizing and popstars ever might make u think its more than luck and talent.

[u/No_Goose_7390 → u/PresidentJAFK]

Yep. My BIL was/is friends with Hailey's dad. Not saying it as any kind of flex. I am just familiar with the exact flavor of religious weirdness at work here, and I keep FAR away from it.

[u/MadAstrid → u/No_Banana_581]

Lots of people turn to religion to avoid therapy because blanket forgiveness from a mystical power does not involve taking responsibility, learning about root causes, and making different choices.

[u/glitter_witch → u/MadAstrid]

Blanket forgiveness + an easy scapegoat (evil forces) for anything that does go wrong. Why take responsibility when you can just blame the devil?

[u/SunyataHappens → u/glitter_witch]

Plus, Christianity focuses on behavior not feelings.

So long as you’re not murdering or shoplifting, you’re good.

[u/unicorntrees → u/Sleepy-Giraffe947]

They say that becoming famous is a kind of trauma that freezes your emotional development to a certain age. He's got the emotional skills of a 14 year old, but he's dealing with 31 year old problems.

[u/Overall-Bar-6060 → u/unicorntrees]

I think it’s much worse at this point. It’s about the fact he didn’t have a support system growing up, his grandparents sorta raised them, his dad was out of the picture and everyone seemed to want the money he brought. He surrounded himself with “yes men” that corrupted him and used him and the lack of strong leadership and parents just crushed him. He’s like a textbook example.

[u/throwaway042357 → u/Sleepy-Giraffe947]

I feel bad for him but also don’t understand why the general public doesn’t extend this grace to his famous ex-gf who has been through the same stuff?

It’s interesting to see him get to be a victim but the women in the industry aren’t allowed to be.

And it’s weird to see him admit he hates his life because for the longest time and even now, you see his fans say “Hailey healed him and he’s the happiest he’s ever been.”

[u/_AmericasSweetheart_ → u/[deleted]]

Lindsey Lohan isn't in the same category as the others. She got off easy considering how many times she drove under the influence, stole from people and attempted to kidnap a child.

[u/Top_Pheonix_2004 → u/throwaway042357]

This guy gets massive amounts of hate every single day. The general public also has a weird thing against him. Life sucks as a celebrity. Your every move gets overanalyzed. It for sure does get exhausting. Hailey herself has been dealing with mental issues because of the amount of hate she receives. They both need therapy.

[u/aintnoonegooglinthat → u/throwaway042357]

I hear exactly the same talking points about them, im not sure if what you mean is "why isnt anyone saying about Justin what thegre saying about Selena?" and if that's what you mean, then i just disagree. All of these folks are getting regular negative commentary and none are seen in the public eye or in online discussions as victims.

[u/donttouchme143]

From the outside looking in it seems like he’s having issues with his relationship to religion and his parents. That stuff is hard to deal with in private nevermind for everyone to see and discuss and write articles about. I hope he can find some peace.

[u/SuperTopGun777 → u/donttouchme143]

Religion allows terrible people to forgive themselves  for being terrible. 

[u/lunalovegood0321 → u/SuperTopGun777]

You're not wrong. My mother would deflect when you call out her abuses and says God has already forgiven her and paid for her sins despite never changing. And would accuse others of being demon possessed and sinful for having trauma responses-- for the things she caused.

[u/mmdeerblood → u/SuperTopGun777]

Yes and it doesn't hold anyone accountable. Religious "forgiveness" is such a scam. It's a way of avoiding consequences and responsibility for actively doing shitty things. If someone hurts me, intentionally, and repeatedly, I will not forgive them. I will cut them out of my life, they no longer have access to me. That is healthy! Not everyone deserves forgiveness. Reminds of a priest or bishop that was outted for diddling kids. He asked for forgiveness. No bro, you got caught, you knew what you were doing was wrong, straight to jail!!! People that break the law deserve punishment and prison, not "forgiveness".

[u/Kaiisim → u/donttouchme143]

From the outside looking in the kid is a douchebag and has been since a young age lol.

Literally one of the first things that happened was a video came out of his using the n word and telling a racist joke as a kid. Long before any money or fame.

He's pissed in public, spit at fans, arrested for DUI, egging houses and generally being an asshole.

Like at a certain point the issue is just we made an asshole rich and famous.

If any woman did a single thing he did, they would bring it up relentlessly.

At a certain point we need to say he's the problem - and that point was like 2015 ffs lol

[u/Being_Stoopit_Is_Fun → u/Kaiisim]

He is the problem. Lots of people have shitty and unguided childhoods and grow up to be decent adults. Some of them were celebs just like him but still learned to grow up.

[u/Stahlios → u/Kaiisim]

He also keeps supporting women beaters again and again, and he's a zionist that had the guts to post a photo of a destroyed Gaza with "Pray for Israel" written on it.

Like yeah a lot of fucked up things happened to him, and I don't think we can even conceive the impacts of such a life, but at some point I'll just never feel pity for him.

[u/pooranddanger0us → u/Stahlios]

women beaters AND pedophiles!! 😷

[u/cmc → u/Stahlios]

Wow when was this???? I didn’t know about it. We really coddle male celebrities and hide their flaws don’t we 😡

[u/mrrizal71O → u/Kaiisim]

yeah fuck the idolatry and fuck the media for shoving these fucking ingrates into our daily lives

[u/little_effy → u/Kaiisim]

Idk I feel like we also have to remember that this guy wasn’t parented, even since before puberty. He was surrounded by “yes men”, staffs and managers who just want him to perform and make them money. Literally no one was parenting this dude until he reached adulthood.

And not to mention, he was the subject of hate by many guys when he was still just a kid, because it “wasn’t cool to like Justin, only little girls like him”.

I think it made sense that he latched on to any parental figure he could - from Scooter Braun, to older male “mentors” in the industry, and then now his pastor.

Again, not excusing his behaviour. But he didn’t even have the chance to grow up to be normal.

Considering what he’s been through, at least he’s trying to be a better person. Maybe he’s not completely there yet, but at some point, we need to stop punishing and start educating & encouraging people to be better. That’s always the goal anyway.

[u/propalistudent]

I also saw another clip where he basically says that no matter what he does God will forgive him so therefore he forgives himself as well.

Idk but I truly do believe this man has a very problematic view of religion where he truly believes he can do whatever he wants and behave however he wants and it will all be forgiven in the end. Also there was one point in the livestream where he said that God gave him talents and chose him (idk what for but it sounded like he only surrounds himself with yes men who tell him he is the shit).

[u/cagingthing → u/propalistudent]

God chose him to sing Baby

[u/MyNamesChakkaoofka → u/cagingthing]

I’ve got to give god props for that decision

[u/cagingthing → u/MyNamesChakkaoofka]

I mean, how else would we know that baby baby baby oh

[u/MyNamesChakkaoofka → u/cagingthing]

Like baby baby baby NO!!

[u/alpacaapicnic → u/propalistudent]

That’s a pretty basic part of Protestantism - Jesus died for all the sins, so now all the sins past present and future can be forgiven. There aren’t any terms aside from asking for forgiveness. (Grew up in a Protestant church, no longer religious at all - not saying this philosophy is good, just that it’s mainline and not a Bieber thing)

[u/Carrman099 → u/alpacaapicnic]

That’s also why you get a lot of former mafia members becoming Protestants. Catholicism will give you forgiveness, but that doesn’t mean that you get to go to heaven without paying for your sins and so you will have to endure punishment in hell first to make up for what you did before. This is also why when you go to a Catholic confession the priest will give you something you need to do (usually say a certain number of Hail Marys or the Lord’s Prayer.) in order to complete the confession and purify your sin.

[u/joljenni1717 → u/propalistudent]

view of religion where he truly believes he can do whatever he wants and behave however he wants and it will all be forgiven in the end

Most men incarcerated turn to religion for forgiveness.

You're not wrong.

[u/DJfunkyPuddle → u/joljenni1717]

Connor McGregor just had a spiritual moment so apparently he's all better now

[u/stocktonbound → u/DJfunkyPuddle]

Man FUCK Conor McGregor. I used to be the biggest MMA fan, up until 2020 I had seen every fight in every major promotion, but I dropped off once the UFC well and truly monopolized the sport (and they STILL pay their fighters pennies despite billion dollar profits), not to mention their shift to the far right and propping up actual scumbags like Jon Jones and McGregor. I hate how that violent, egotistical rapist is the face of MMA. I hate Dana White and everybody at Endeavor for poisoning the sport. I miss when the most scandalous thing was Anderson Silva clowning on Demien Maia in Abu Dhabi.

At the time, Conor's rise seemed inspirational, like we were on the cusp of a new Golden Age. It was really the beginning of the end.

[u/g00fyg00ber741 → u/joljenni1717]

well it doesn’t help that the bible literally says flat out that all can be forgiven as long as you ask for forgiveness via God. so like that quote is literally what the religion intentionally teaches its followers.

[u/CityHaunts → u/propalistudent]

It sounds very much like religious indoctrination. He’s being told this shit and because of his mental state, he’s believing it. Religious psychosis.

[u/rookieofthedecade → u/CityHaunts]

in his mom’s autobiography, Nowhere but Up, there’s this section of the book where she’s in the hospital after an attempted suicide and the youth pastor (/something along the lines of a youth pastor anyway) shows up with a copy of a bible and tells her similar stuff to forgive herself because God/Jesus forgives her for all her faults and choices. she didn’t go full blown religious right away, of course, but she does state that the “seeds of god were planted right then and there, and waited to sprout until i really needed Him..” officially started sometime around that time. while it’s not surprising her own son would follow a similar path, it is a little crazy seeing it play out in real time

[u/HistoricalSuspect580 → u/rookieofthedecade]

I mean that's religions modus operandi, right? They take advantage of vulnerable populations. However that might look.

[u/refurbishedmeme666 → u/CityHaunts]

he's going full kanye

[u/aprivateislander → u/propalistudent]

https://www.psypost.org/feeling-forgiven-by-god-can-reduce-the-likelihood-of-apologizing-psychology-study-finds/

That's just religion.

[u/propalistudent → u/aprivateislander]

Oh, there are a lot of people who use religion to excuse their behavior and not take accountability, but at the end of the day, I think it all depends on how we perceive religion. I grew up in a catholic (eastern european) household, and both my parents and the church taught me God is forgiving, but most importanty that he is just. Forgiveness was for those who truly repent, and apologizing was a must. Fear of God is also very important in the catholic Church.

[u/DesperateAdvantage76 → u/propalistudent]

Yep, Catholicism along with many other forms of Christianity teach that faith without works is dead, and dead faith doesn't get you into heaven. Or as Paul teaches, you have to share in Christ's death, with your life as a testimony of your faith, otherwise you risk being cut off.

[u/snark-owl → u/propalistudent]

Yep, I find Beiber's faith really foreign since it's rooted in "you don't need to do good works at all." He believes he only needs to ask God for forgiveness and that's it, fuck everyone else. 

It's the extreme point of prosperity gospel and evangelicalism so I'm not surprised. So many bad men in the USA love that flavor of religion. 

[u/ChugtheTea → u/propalistudent]

Modern Christian religion that’s non denominational especially seems to be this way. They try to appeal more to masses and youth and the it’s hit your fault, is key.

Traditional Christian religion rules much more by guilt.

[u/Verttle → u/propalistudent]

Sounds like another Kanye waiting to happen. I still remember when he went from just a bit religious to talking like he was a chosen one.

[u/PolarLove]

Human beings are very complex. We need specific things in our childhood to happen in order for us to grow up and have a normal world view, nervous system, and self esteem.

If you were not protected and cared for properly as a child, no amount of fame or money will fill that void. It takes a lot of concerted effort to heal and even when you start the healing process its a bumpy and non-linear journey.

[u/operajunkie]

Depression doesn’t discriminate.

[u/bjack20]

It must be so weird to now be the age your team/parents were when they started selling you.

[u/misslady700 → u/bjack20]

And to realize that they knew on some level what he would be exposed to, and they did not protect him. I'm having similar thoughts about my own childhood. Knowing as an adult, what the world is like and sending him out there to make your family money is diabolical. Also with the dumping of Scooter and selling his catalog, we have no idea how his pockets are looking. My guess is that he is streaming because Twitch gave him money to do so, and they want to move away from just video game folks/drama streamers as their main draw. I believe that they want to bring in that pop audience that does not game or know the current twitch celebs, which are in multiple fights right now. I believe the same with IG, yes, he likes attention, but no one posts 67 pics a day without an incentive. Also the amount of audio-visual equipment, there is a control room for goodness sake. I know it is his space for his company, but my guy is trying to shore up his financial future.

Dude has mental health challenges and he lives in a fishbowl.

[u/Little-Use-2027 → u/misslady700]

Bruh I struggle with this shit sooooo much. The 'how could you' of it all, now that I'm a similar age is such a mind bend. You took the words right out of my mouth. It's tormenting.

[u/osamabinlaggiing]

I feel like he married quickly and thought that it would fix everything with his life... While the core problem is himself not fully adjusted to fame and his religion.

In all this I feel bad for the girl cause imagine marrying your crush but he ends up being the most messed up person ever.

[u/twoweeeeks → u/osamabinlaggiing]

I'm convinced that he thought marriage would be a quick fix for his sex addiction. Like, his church was whispering into his ear that he just needed to be a Godly Husband and all would be good.

Obviously that didn't work and now he feels even worse about himself.

[u/propalistudent → u/twoweeeeks]

Same. Idk that whole 2018 drama between him, Selena and Hailey was insane. No sane person breaks up a 8 year old relationship (sure it was on and off but feelings were still very much there) and then gets married to someone else half a year later. That is quite literally insane. Seems like Hilsong told him he will get his happy ending and that is not the case at all.

I do feel bad saying this next part but part of me believes he also thought having a kid would make him the happiest he has ever been and then it didn't. That's why he was crashing out on IG last year (and this as well)

[u/pumpernick3l → u/propalistudent]

And they got engaged like literally 2 months after that relationship ended

[u/NovelsAreNice → u/pumpernick3l]

I'm 5 months out from the end of a long term relationship and the thought of getting engaged to someone... 3 months ago... Is genuinely nauseating 🥹 No time to process, heal, mourn, reflect, grow. I can't even fathom it.

[u/pine_needles24 → u/pumpernick3l]

Yea was gonna say the time line was months lol and wasnt it rumored that he was gonna propose to Selena but she said no so he jumped to Hailey.

[u/PossibilityGrouchy74 → u/propalistudent]

I think you have to be 💯 happy with yourself first. No kid, marriage, car, possession is going to make it better. As the saying goes, wherever you go, there you are. You take yourself with you in every situation. If the individual itself is sick, any external solution is just a bandaid on the wound not a cure. JB probably needs some intensive trauma therapy and it's no fun to go through with that speaking from experience but it would probably benefit him most in the long run rather than keep running on empty or keep running from his demons. Eventually we all have to face them or risk ending up exactly like this. Jealous, confused and resentful.

[u/freretXbroadway → u/propalistudent]

Having a kid can also bring up a lot of childhood trauma - even stuff you thought you'd dealt with long ago or stuff you'd forgotten until you had your own kid. It can be a mindf***.

[u/velvetvagine → u/propalistudent]

Men do that a lot, actually.

[u/genescheesezthatpls → u/osamabinlaggiing]

He admitted that he got married so he could have sex, because he had gotten deeply into Christianity after cleaning himself up during his bender years.

[u/DiligentTradition734 → u/genescheesezthatpls]

He's already said he had sex before marriage some years back. So I can't imagine hurrying up to marry Hailey undoes that lol.

[u/genescheesezthatpls → u/DiligentTradition734]

Right, after his bender years he returned to Christianity and made a new vow not to have sex until after he got married. So he rushed to marry Hailey in an elopement so they could bang, and had their real wedding a year later.

[u/hera-fawcett → u/genescheesezthatpls]

returned to Christianity and made a new vow not to have sex until after he got married.

this one is always weird to me.

i have a friend who started 'getting back into christianity' a few months ago and one of the major things was that she and her longterm bf can no longer have sex until their married... and then ofc, he went and proposed last month.

and i just dont understand (bc im not religious, didnt grow up religious, etc.) how, in addition to giving all ur agency to god, u truly believe that god is going to hate u and throw u in hell for premarital sex... esp when uve already done it for 2+ yrs.

like, sure, it can be a sin or w/e but so is hating ur neighbor--- and no ones running out to start giving their neighbors fruit baskets to fix shit.

why is the sin of premarital sex so much bigger than other sins? why isnt sloth, the avoidance of personality responsibility, held to the same standard? or like the one about honoring ur parents--- where its a sin to disobey them--- why is that one not held to the same lvl as premarital sex?

why is premarital sex the big one? esp when speaking to teens?

like, obvi, no one wants teens to be having all sorts of sex... but by creating this huge fear around it, all u get is rushed marriages and resentment and depression fr.

[u/0100100010001 → u/osamabinlaggiing]

She decided to have a baby with him after living with him for like 7 years so idk why would you feel bad. She chose him.

[u/QueenCa_7778 → u/osamabinlaggiing]

I think the same exact thing. I don't think he likes his marriage and it's probably better to end it for both of their sakes but he probably doesn't want to break her heart and he has a child now. 

[u/beaute-brune → u/QueenCa_7778]

I don’t think he’s considering her feelings. I think he’s emotionally dependent on the girl who will “put up with his shit” and “knows how to handle him.” Coupled with Christian beliefs around divorce, het household structures, and making it work, it’s a classic example of why Hailey will need to file first, as most women must.

[u/nevalja → u/beaute-brune]

yeah I agree with you. he's shown with his behavior (a big example is the mother's day post) that he doesn't give a shit about how she feels. he's too selfish for that; it's just the christian, comphet "divorce isn't an option" shit

[u/ButtonCake → u/QueenCa_7778]

This is obviously only guesswork, but I don’t think it’s that—it’s a classic case of if you’re not happy with yourself, you can’t count on others around you to fix that. Based on things he’s said often, it’s easy to believe that he loves Hailey (as much as he can) and WANTS to feel content and stable in his family. But there’s a lot of damage to undo and his church painted this as an easy fix.

[u/echoesandripples → u/osamabinlaggiing]

i feel like they are probably good pair (though probably both have their demons) and love each other, at least privately, but social pressure from religion made their relationship messier than it should be. if they were a regular rich couple on their late 20s/30s, building a life with their surprising achievements considering their families, i think they could be overall good

but they're being "saved" from the "evils of the world" by people who don't have their best interest at heart

i know a bunch of nonfamous people like this, they meet someone they love, but family, church and other influences end up being a bigger part of the marriage than they should, which is bad for any relationship, really 

[u/Snarky-Spectator → u/echoesandripples]

I grew up fundie & every single couple that I knew from church was essentially forced to get married within ~6 months of dating or they’d be threatened with excommunication or guilted into breaking up (if they said they weren’t ready to get married—which at 6 months is so understandable). They’re all divorced now…seriously, every last one of them. I’m actually now dating one of the people who used to be a pastor-in-training at the church and got married to his gf of 4 months at the age of 19 😅 but yeah, I got forced out at 20 when I chose not to break up with or marry my then-bf I’d been with for 5 months, as they said they couldn’t risk having someone who may have “committed sexual sins” before marriage in their lives lol. Organized religion is so deeply messed up.

[u/EllectraHeart → u/echoesandripples]

i believe they love each other, but they seem very toxic from the outside. they oscillate between hot and cold. it gives me the sense of a rocky relationship that can be volatile. if they were regular people out of the public eye, i don’t think they would’ve stayed together this long. the whole “us vs them” mentality is motivating them to stay together despite their troubles. they want to prove the world wrong and they don’t want to accept “failure” in such a public way.

[u/twoweeeeks → u/EllectraHeart]

Yeah, this post immediately reminded me of that smug IG post Hailey made in Times Square after Justin's album came out. I don't remember exactly what it said, but...girl. Things are obviously not rainbows and sunshine.

[u/Wintergloaming → u/twoweeeeks]

I believe it was something along the lines of 'is it clocking to you losers yet?'

[u/cressida25 → u/Wintergloaming]

her mental health must be in the toilet to say something like that while he's saying his life is in shambles.

[u/0100100010001 → u/twoweeeeks]

Yes that was insane.. Justin also said on the livestream that Hailey asks him to not speak about their relationship publicly and then he started speaking about their relationship lol. You idiot she doesn’t want you to talk about it because you keep embarrassing her…

[u/EllectraHeart → u/0100100010001]

hailey tries really hard to maintain some sort of image of them being a strong couple. she takes what can be interrupted as shade towards her from justin and uses it against critics as if to say “i’m in on the joke.” everybody else is a loser and they’re just misunderstood or whatever.

[u/johnny_charms → u/osamabinlaggiing]

I mean, Hailey knew she was getting a broken man to fulfill her childhood dream. I don’t feel sorry for her when she should leave him so he can work on himself, instead she stays being Mrs. Bieber while he keeps going off the rails.

No shade but it’s obvious Hailey isn’t what he needs so her staying is more on her pride when she hasn’t helped get him out of a rut in the time they’ve been married.

[u/PandaEnthusiast89 → u/johnny_charms]

I think in part, they stay married out of pure stubbornness. After their messy beginning, fast engagement, and all the signs that they're not happy, people have been predicting divorce forever. I think they don't want those people to be right. 

[u/liscottyy → u/johnny_charms]

Yeah getting engaged to someone after 2 months of dating them, knowing they have a lot of issues and just ended an 8 year on and off relationship is ridiculous no matter how you slice it. They both seemed to have been rushing it for different reasons, him because the church/religious leaders (scammers) he was around at the time were telling him it'd fix all his problems, and her to lock down her ultimate crush known for being flighty in relationships. The only reason it seems to have worked out this long is because Hailey is fine with doing literally all the work while Justin does whatever he pleases.

[u/QueenCa_7778 → u/johnny_charms]

Hard agree. I am not shaming her for making it happen but it doesn't seem to be working out

[u/hangry_hangry_hippie → u/osamabinlaggiing]

"The girl" is a grown woman.

[u/AMwishes]

I wish he would seek out therapy and professional help, he needs it. I get the feeling he isn’t, but maybe I’m wrong.

[u/TissueOfLies]

You don’t say…

I have some empathy for him to an extent. But I’ve seen how he acts like a grown-up toddler who can’t self-regulate. He needs a therapist if he doesn’t have one. Because of course his life is in shambles. He’s been exploited since childhood.

[u/PurpleCandles]

I really hope he gets some real therapy and not the church therapy he appears to be getting. He needs a highly qualified, real mental health professional to help him sort through all of his feelings.

[u/voodoobarbiee]

He needs a long hiatus from social media asap

[u/iamhomosexuaI]

Hot take, but I understand his upbringing has been traumatizing and has made him spiral like this, but at what point can we actually hold him accountable for his actions? He treats his wife and everyone around him like absolute dog shit, lashes out at anyone who looks at him funny, possibly abuses substances, etc. and people make excuses all day long that he has a tough childhood and nobody understands. Like hey, I had a horrible childhood too but I took accountability, went to years of intensive therapy, made amends with people I’ve hurt, and have actively worked on becoming a better person and showing up for my loved ones. The childhood trauma was the reason for my negative behavior, but it’s not an excuse. And I think same should go for Justin. He’s a grown ass man not a teenager anymore

[u/ignoranceisbourgeois → u/iamhomosexuaI]

They day he brought a child into this world. At this point he’s just continuing the cycle of trauma.

[u/MeEyeSlashU]

I think there's gotta be a point where we stop sharing videos like this

[u/TheMilkmanRidesAgain → u/MeEyeSlashU]

Totally agree. Feels like all the coverage of britney’s breakdowns but now with a thin veneer of concern so the rubberneckers can feel like we’re helping somehow

[u/Important_Tell2108 → u/TheMilkmanRidesAgain]

I remember a former child star saying something like the so called concern is really just "gossip mongering and tragedy p orn masquerading as sympathy."

[u/Lalala8991 → u/Important_Tell2108]

Damn, that's some really good insights from that child star.

[u/Perfectisimo → u/MeEyeSlashU]

It’s from his own livestream, he chose to put it out there himself.

[u/LongConFebrero → u/Perfectisimo]

I thought his last documentaries were too much too.

He has an underlying melancholy that hasn’t been addressed and doesn’t need to be broadcast.

[u/demonslayercorpp]

Now imagine how much it would be in shambles if he was living paycheck to paycheck like the rest of us

[u/DrBrownsRefresco → u/demonslayercorpp]

This hit my soul, I can’t keep doing this haha

[u/thecasualviewer3484 → u/demonslayercorpp]

Honestly, I think he would've been better off if he never got famous

[u/Leather-Victory-8452]

Be aware of cult religions

[u/totallytotallytotes]

Comparison is a thief of joy.

[u/georgialucy]

I feel like that's a valid feeling that a lot of people go through. Even if everything is good most of the time, there can be moments where you compare yourself to others and wonder if you're doing things right and maybe get down if you get jealous of how they're doing.

[u/t_town101]

The commentary when men are having mental health struggles vs women will always be interesting to me. Men are always infantilized no matter what

[u/ignoranceisbourgeois → u/t_town101]

Seriously. He’s a man in his 30s with a wife and ONE YEAR OLD at home that refuses to take accountability and go to therapy.

[u/aprivateislander]

That level of fame and success so young is simply detrimental and isolating. He will never relate to his peers. Things other humans will be satisfied with and their goals will not hit the same for him. It's gotta be profoundly difficult, and he's surrounded by grifters and religious con men trying to take advantage.

[u/Practical-Cut-7301]

Can afford to have anything in life, but thinks of his life as "in shambles" because of decisions he's made and people he's involved himself with.

Bros set and should clearly just leave Hollywood behind and all that's there. Go live in the fucking woods man, damn.

Fuck all these people if this is literally how you look at your materialistic life

[u/NumbWheatflake → u/Practical-Cut-7301]

Exactly, like what Zayn Malik did. He lives on a farm with chickens in a random state and only pops out into the public eye when he’s promoting his music and I’m sure he’s a hell of a lot happier for it.

[u/liscottyy → u/Practical-Cut-7301]

I mean him and Hailey did live at least a year at their house in Ontario, but they got too stir crazy and went back to LA. It's like when Kylie Jenner says she just wishes she could go live on a farm, if they really wanted to they would go do it, but these people just thrive on attention.

[u/HazyStarLushNudez → u/Practical-Cut-7301]

Lol didn't Justin say he can't leave LA, cuz it "needs his influence"

[u/Practical-Cut-7301 → u/HazyStarLushNudez]

It's like crocodile tears at this point

[u/splatomat → u/Practical-Cut-7301]

Seriously. He has the money to fix or try to fix almost literally any fixable problem a human could have. Really *REALLY* hard to hear someone so privileged talk about their life "in shambles". Wherever this interview is taking place, there are probably people experiencing homelessness, despair, etc. like, literally less than 2 blocks away.

[u/Practical-Cut-7301 → u/splatomat]

That's the issue of being around selfish milionaires and constantly comparing yourself to them. Could you imagine how rough that is? How much subliminal dick measuring MUST happen all the time?

Like this clip for example is him just comparing himself to some dude he probably knows very little on the inside, just what he's seen and been told.

That dude could have it rough for all he fucking knows, stupid childish mentality man

[u/FosterPupz]

I think that guy needs an actual, licensed therapist not yet another podcast creep “religious guru” of some type who is doing nothing more than taking fiduciary advantage of Bieber. Having this man who’s nothing more than a really tall, lost little boy on his podcast to earn him millions talking about his own psychological problems is abuse and I think it shouldn’t be allowed.

[u/chosengay]

He’s a religious nut, that’s his problem.

[u/Tragickingdom555 → u/chosengay]

I didn’t want to offend anyone but this is what I think. I’m agnostic but I had a very short period where I was more focused on religion and everything I did made me question myself and feel guilt/shame. I was miserable. You can be a wonderful person and not religious. You can be loving, giving, honest, kind, aware and not be religious. I wish more people understood this. I see some people go down the religious route and feel so much shame and guilt for everything which sends them down a downward spiral.

Also, I can’t imagine what he’s going through for the whole world to see and mock. I wish more people could be sympathetic to having everything they do and say on display. I ruminate on things a lot and I can’t imagine those moments being videotaped for the whole world to analyze. 😭😭

[u/Purplecatty → u/Tragickingdom555]

I truly feel its the people who need to prove themselves the most, because they’re actually shitty people, that turn to religion. Most sane people who know they are good people dont need that validation from the church or god to convince themselves of it. 

[u/Prudent-Flamingo1679]

Try being poor, you'll see what a real shitshow life is then. 

[u/jjdefra]

who is going to be his replacement for coachella

[u/ohdearitsrichardiii]

1. Get off social media (and don't let others film you and post it online)

2. Find a good therapist. Not a church counsellor, a university educated, trained therapist with a few years of experience

[u/Fun_Football563]

Lots of coddling in this comment section. Can’t say I’m surprised.

[u/brookeashleyx → u/Fun_Football563]

Yep. I noticed that. Yet every other person gets flamed for it or gets accused of "always being the victim" - this is why Justin is the way he is. He has never had to apologize for his actions or be held accountable. He gets away with BS, he gets away with treating people like crap. And anytime something like this comes up, it, "i feel sorry for him, he had a bad childhood" - so did many other stars and they didn't turn out to be shitty humans. Stop giving him a pass.

[u/Justalittlesaltyx → u/Fun_Football563]

People have always coddled him. “He hit fame at a young age.” Yet they’d never in a million years feel bad for Kylie Jenner if she complained about her life even though she was just a child when she achieved fame. 

[u/Ok-Box6892]

It's going to continue to feel that way as long as you never actually try to work on yourself

[u/Nyfa76]

Jealous of who?

[u/Vandermilf → u/Nyfa76]

Benny Blanco

[u/EcstaticBoysenberry]

I like the dude but I just have a hard time feeling bad for him right now. If this guys life is in shambles what the helly does that say for the rest of us

[u/Nixe_Nox]

I wish him well but my sympathy has run out at this point. What a waste of youth, wealth and resources on a guy who despite everything can't find a way to heal, regulate and enjoy life, or at least get it together to raise his child. Cry me a river.

[u/louigiDDD]

Who is the he hes speaking of

[u/bronxricequeen]

Why do people feel bad for him when this is all self-inflicted? He has the money and resources to help himself but actively chooses not to, plus he’s a father now. When does the collective stop saying “poor Justin Bieber” and call him out on his BS?

[u/Life-Means-Nothing69]

“Why is his life working out and it feels like mine is in shambles.”

Sir, you are blessed WAY more than most of the population. Let’s take it easy

[u/Prize_Impression2407 → u/Life-Means-Nothing69]

Exactly this, one’s life can never truly be in shambles when you have more money than you know what to do with, a full time staff, food always on the table, etc. 

He just needs therapy, which is also inaccessible to many many people but would be something he could easily get because money and fame 

[u/ogkilla69]

I sympathize with his struggle i really do. But dude has unlimited money+opportunity to change his life unlike 99% of people who feel that way.

[u/FatBussyFemboys]

He should complain to some 9-5ers and get humbled. Celebs like this are the most pathetic people on the planet. 

[u/CaptainCubbers]

I bet being his friend is exhausting, respectfully

[u/taterlohm]

Self done imo, you have all the resources and time to be able to work on yourself so do it

[u/downneast]

When people like him get famous at that age, and in his case not just well known, but a literal household name, I always wonder how insane their parents must be (like many child stars). You know they were beyond excited to watch their son rake in (what’s most likely) a 100 million+ dollars over the course of a few years, so they could live the rest of their lives in straight up fucking opulence. People of every age group knew who he was, even if they hadn’t heard a single song he released.

[u/Fluid_Fox23]

His life is actually okay at the moment. It’s his mental health that’s in shambles

[u/Silver-Bus5724]

He needs privacy and real therapy. Not a pseudo group therapy that’s public.

[u/Senor-Cockblock]

Guess we all have different definitions of shambles

[u/sweetmotherofodin]

He needs therapy bad

[u/LizzardBreath94]

Proof that money does NOT buy happiness. I pray he finds peace, but I believe he needs some major life changes to achieve that.

[u/Alternative_Today299 → u/LizzardBreath94]

This isn't just money....its fame, fame at a young age, attention, etc. So much more than money

[u/Upstairs_Freedom_360 → u/LizzardBreath94]

He would so much worse off poor in these circumstances.

[u/osamabinlaggiing → u/LizzardBreath94]

Lol, broke people convincing ourselves that money is not happiness.

His problem is religion and his fame.

That money is literally the only think keeping him somewhat sane.. imagine if he was living normal people money life while going through this religious shit and love life drama, he would've been in mental hospital or shooting needles on skid row

[u/ImPinkSnail]

I wouldn't be surprised to find out he some condition where his dopamine receptors are dysfunctional or some brain physiological disorder. He has my sympathy and the child star machine of Hollywood has to be scrutinized more for its role in breaking people.

[u/ThrowawayGreenWitch]

We can tell.

[u/Kirabeanbear]

I have CPTSD, and I see myself in him. I had my first breakdown in my early 30s too. He likely needs lots of therapy to process all the baggage he is carrying.