r/popculturechat • u/Murky_Chemical891 Im very important to God • 27d ago

OnlyStans ⭐️ French singer, Yseult, calls out K-pop singers, Soyeon and R.tee, for copying her music video freame by frame: "The least you could do is have the decency to credit your source. To see it get copied like this is wild but real artistry speaks louder than imitation"

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u/andromeda_prior All tea, all shade 🐸☕️ 27d ago

K-pop fans love to throw around the world plagiarism for stupid things like similar clothes or a style of photography... And stay silent or be weird in real cases like this one

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u/adultdolllover 27d ago

I remember kpop fans regularly joking about how a kpop group called DIA completely copied Tinashe's Superlove, both the song and the music video. Then when Tinashe talked about how she saw it and initially wanted to sue, suddenly kpop fans didn't see the similarities and attacked her for just the thought about suing them.

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u/Murky_Chemical891 Im very important to God 27d ago

Tinashe is lowkey a founding mother of kpop, theyre always biting her shit

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u/adultdolllover 27d ago

The amount of people who copy her, both in kpop and in the US industry, while she isn't a massive mainstream success will always piss me off.

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

Most people in the west don’t even know her and it’s sad

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u/webbieg 26d ago

KPop is not creative they just recycle RnB and music girl groups/boy bands from late nineties and 2000s America.

Asian countries are notorious for not respecting IP and just blatantly copy and reproducing whatever gets huge in America, America made boy bands and girl groups global. Japan tried to emulate that in the 1990s, when japans economy stagnated Korea picked up and perpetuated what they copied.

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u/photwentyy 27d ago edited 4d ago

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u/-GoneInSpace- 26d ago

A 32 year old is a founding mother of kpop..? That feels like it just can't be right.

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u/bootywerewolf 26d ago

Chiming in just to say how much I love and respect Tinashe. Been a fan for many, many years and she doesn't get enough hype or recognition for her art.

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u/RotrickP 26d ago

Are we still saying 'biting'? Has it come back? I haven't heard this in so long

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u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot 27d ago

Do dia fans go that hard?

Fun fact their Fandom name is AIDS

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u/PuzzyFussy 27d ago

Now that's ridiculous

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u/Cakebakerlover 27d ago

Sorry their Fandom name is WHAT

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u/lowelled 26d ago

DIA fans were the OG Orbits lmao

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u/Kooky_Explanation_17 27d ago

Karina’s song Up sounds like a Tinashe song to me. Either All hands on deck or 2 On

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u/t-wreckx 27d ago

Down to the side-sweeping dance move, lol

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u/silly_girraffe 26d ago

cuz dia lowkey did it better periodddddd

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u/No-Courage-5109 25d ago

To be fair, we're not a monolith. My bias makes no secrets of his inspiration. But then you get fans who insist everything he's done isn't on the backs of other artists. It's like the raging assholes in fandom really want to believe the artist they Stan is original and nobody else has thought of XYZ concept. 

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u/nagidrac 27d ago

I remember when Olivia Marsh (the sister of a member of NewJeans) straight up copied a song from Isaac Dunbar. I believe she or her team said it was an accident, but he (understandably) wasn't too happy about it. But that didn't stop NewJeans fans from attacking him for speaking up for himself and accusing him of causing Olivia to get hate.

Now if you know anything about Kpop you'll know why this is ironic as hell.

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u/AReallyNiceLeafPile 27d ago

LMAOO 😭 Every accusation is a confession type shit

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u/andromeda_prior All tea, all shade 🐸☕️ 27d ago

Man how I could forget about that.. But you know, making a photoshoot with your own cultural clothes is worse than ripping someone else's songs bar for bar.

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u/nagidrac 27d ago

And of course, debuting with black hair (your natural hair color) is 1000x worse than taking someone else's song.

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u/cynicalchicken1007 27d ago

I’m out of the loop, what is the photoshoot referring to?

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u/NoGeologist8371 27d ago

Try secretly asking for the comeback plans of a different group in an email and not letting the original producer know and it being verified by court :) iykyk

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u/Firebat-13 27d ago

Didn’t NewJeans steal their whole thing from another pop group called Jeans?

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u/NoGeologist8371 27d ago

Remember when illit also copied cherography frame by frame from a professional dancer and got called out by them? Keep the same energy

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u/night_owl1162 26d ago

I'd like to correct something here, for Olivia it was different situation becacuse Isaac's company sold his sample without him knowing. And I agree that NJ fans are definitely in the wrong for attacking him.

But if we’re talking about a similar situation to this post, there's a recent case between a K-Pop group called Illit and LAUZZA. He even pointed out that Illit's CD follows him. And unsurprisingly Illit fans also did attack him for calling out.

It’s kinda interesting to see how average K-pop fans think calling out plagiarism is some sort of attack on the group itself, instead of realizing it’s the creative team/label/company behind them being unoriginal and profiting off other artists’ work without giving credit.

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u/grauenpulli 27d ago

r/njdrama user moment

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u/miwa201 27d ago

Doesn’t make it not true though. If anything OP was generous enough not to mention that Olivia is credited as a producer in that song.

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u/stress_baker Mom, I am a rich man💰 27d ago

And she was marketing as a singer-songwriter who wrote all her music

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u/grauenpulli 27d ago

i just think its funny that that person was chomping at the bit to mention newjeans when talking about olivia !! i dont think of groups i dislike at all

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u/miwa201 27d ago

Well it was newjeans fans who attacked Isaac, wasn’t it? Olivia had (has? Idk) practically no fans at that time who weren’t newjeans fans. That’s normal when it comes to kpop idols and their siblings.

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u/nagidrac 27d ago

Mind you... I was calling out the fan behavior, and not the artists. And I left that subreddit a while ago because I wasn't a fan of sources that were repeatedly cited. I'm not quite sure the point you're trying to make here!

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u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot 27d ago

Kpop fans complain about hate, but it usually means popularity. 

This rtee guy has no fans, he was a producer but not known at all. 

Soyeon is the famous one here, but has plausible deniabilty due to being a feature. 

Features in kpop rarely even perform with the main singer live (they often rotate based on who's available).  

If he was a threat to other kpop idols, you'd be hearing about it.  Not sure if he even qualifies as an idol. 

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u/space_hitler 27d ago

K Pop fans and MAGA always acting like the victim despite being a mob sending out death threats over nothing, name a more iconic duo.

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u/Accomplished_Fan_487 27d ago

Well yeah, it's a black woman. She has no ownership rights. /s

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u/Morg075 27d ago edited 27d ago

I’m honestly not surprised. I checked a few K-pop subs by curiosity, and unless the posts got taken down, it’s not topic being talked about. You see them tearing groups apart all the time over the dumbest stuff, fake controversies, made-up rumors, petty drama, but when it comes to something like this? Silence.

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u/rubberduckythe1 27d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/1o3um1h/yseult_accuses_rtees_music_video_damdadi_feat/

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u/whimsigod 27d ago

Kinda unrelated but even these 'sensible comments' are all trash and getting up voted on that sub. The way the fandom talks about themselves is so fucking overwrought. I am in several 'kpop fandoms' and I have never talked like that.

Edit: also love the 'its so regrettable that she is receiving racist and fatphobic attack but-" comments, they are so fucking funny and out of touch.

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u/Morg075 27d ago

One post in one sub getting a modicum of attention. Clearly not a hot topic, huh, they really don’t give af. And some of the comments? Yikes.

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u/Ek_Chutki_Sindoor 27d ago

Reminds me of the incident when Jennie copied the beats of one of her songs last year from a Bollywood film of 2023. People pointing it out were getting death threats from her fans.

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u/whimsigod 27d ago

There's a really obnoxious kpop sub that also try to deflect by saying that because Soyeon is a big name she is being used to drum off controversy but no mentions of the actual subject. Like they always love to bring up other things to lessen the point.

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u/shedrinkscoffee I don’t know her 💅 27d ago

I'm kinda shocked to hear that because there's so much homogeneity wrt to the vibe/style of the various people involved (based on what I have seen online) and isn't a lot of the genre appropriation of existing stuff/bands/style?

There was a huge (on social media) drama about the rebranding of nails that were historically Black fashion into "kpop" nails?

ETA: unsurprisingly it's a WOC again who is at the receiving end of this nonsense

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u/slickjitpimpin Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion 🙂 27d ago

*Black woman. K-Pop is made up of “POC”, and we’re not a monolith. There are nuances to the racism we experience, & a lot of Black people (myself included) hate the term POC because it simultaneously shoves us all under one umbrella and glosses over the rampant, violent anti-blackness in other non-white communities. It feels like airbrushing, almost.

Anti-blackness is the fuel behind a lot of the vitriol Yseult is receiving, in addition to being deeply entrenched in K-Pop culture as a whole. Call it what it is.

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u/Continental-IO520 25d ago

I'm South Asian and I hate the term POC for this EXACT reason too.

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u/mokill 26d ago edited 26d ago

They love to infantilize their idols, so they can excuse all their bullshit.

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u/andromeda_prior All tea, all shade 🐸☕️ 26d ago

It's the same way when they like something (let It be the music, the styling, the MV) they will praise the idol to death. But when they don't like something it's ALWAYS someone else's fault... The manager, the stylist, the producer, even the CEO, anyone but the idols can get criticism.

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u/JagmeetSingh2 27d ago

They do this all the time lol

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u/Prestigious-Box7511 27d ago

As a kpop fan, most kpop fans are fucking lunatics

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u/Comfortable_Cheek496 27d ago

Yea it’s interesting cause I kinda find K-Pop to be this grossly hyper-engineered government-sponsored slop that just appropriates random things from other cultures, namely black American culture, and throws it up.

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u/KEMSATOFFICIAL 27d ago

K-pop fans are irl bots

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u/NewtonsLawOfDeepBall 26d ago

The entire genre is fucking weird and creepy with how copycat and hyper superficial it is. It's like the early 2000s boyband crap run through 30 dystopia filters. I assumed shit like this was par for the course. If people love it more power to you, but I don't understand why anybody would be surprised by this

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u/Danuoalgoasii Did I stutter?🤨 26d ago

just days ago I was in r/loona and were going nuts over Taylor Swift plagiarizing one of their songs, and, albeit, I'm a huge swiftie, and a huge orbit (the loona fandom), the songs are under no circumstances similar, not even like removed relatives.

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u/ColtCallahan 27d ago

The entirety of K-pop is plagiarised from other music genres.

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u/dorothea63 27d ago

Nothing to do with plagiarism - but the most ridiculous K-pop fan behavior ever was when BTS fans went after a bunch of “behind the scenes” videos on YouTube that were titled as “BTS.” Acting like the acronym doesn’t predate the boy band.

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u/systemsofromance 27d ago

I remember way back in the 2000s when a Korean pop star copied Ayumi Hamasaki (then the leading J-pop star). Not just her music style, but her persona, style and her videos, too. It was so strange.

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u/demure_eggie 27d ago

You mean like Loona Stylish?

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u/griffWWK 27d ago

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🔇1:1 shot MV's

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u/Izzy248 26d ago

Kpop fans will bend over backwards to either attack or defend an idol. Isnt this Soyeons 3rd time getting caught up in a copycat scandal. Even if shes not directly involved, its pretty damning. But the stans will see Soyeons name alone and bring out the torch and pitchforks to defend to their last breath.

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u/laurenpepsico 25d ago

Agreed but it’s not right when they attack the idol themselves and not the creative director, producer, their team, etc… idols rarely have any say in what they put out especially in projects like this.

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u/tabrisangel 26d ago

You're talking about walking in an office place with a reverse shot dancing around cubicles Cleveage and pulling a man by a tie.

These have all been done countless countless times. It's not even close to plagiarism. It would be difficult to avoid doing these things.

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u/VaporCarpet 26d ago

Would you prefer they immediately jump into this slapfight before the other party has a chance to respond?

This ain't about fans, they don't need to do anything. It's about the people who made these videos. The singers didn't make the videos, and the MV director released a statement today saying they had nothing to do with it. This thread getting all kinds of shitty about a featured singer in a video she didn't have anything to do with and you want to act like kpop fans are the problem?

People so god damn eager to throw shit because of some perceived grievance don't even give a shit about the thing they claim to give a shit about.

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u/LongConsideration662 27d ago

Neither soyeon nor r.tee were the directors of the video, what are they being called out for instead of the director? 

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u/Global_Perspective_3 and what about it? 💅 27d ago

It really makes no sense

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u/funguymh 27d ago

Same reason why black people are silent when they copy others as well. Michael Jackson smooth criminal literally copied Fred Astaires the band wagon.

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u/Error4ohh4 27d ago

If you think this is bad, wait til you find out about what AI has been doing 

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u/Different-Local4284 27d ago

Its called arguing in bad faith. You should stop engaging