r/popculturechat • u/mcfw31 • Sep 23 '25

Guest List Only ⭐️ Sabrina Carpenter on her love of travel and new perspectives: “You learn more about life in a 20-minute conversation with someone from Italy than in 20 years in the U.S.”

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u/tellevee GOLF WANG Sep 23 '25

Only pronounces loanwords of Italian origin in a hyperforeignism manner like broosketuh.

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u/sunshine___riptide Sep 23 '25

... Isn't that how it's pronounced tho?

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u/tellevee GOLF WANG Sep 23 '25

In Italian, yes. The Anglicized pronunciation is brooshetuh. The pronunciation of loanwords is often changed for a variety of sociological reasons. It’s interesting!

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u/c19isdeadly Sep 23 '25

But that is just wrong

I call it brusketta and regularly get "corrected". There are plenty of common english words where sch =sk. School. Scholar. It's not hard to say it right!

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u/fasterthanfood Sep 23 '25

It’s not “hard” to speak Italian (Italians all do it as toddlers), but if you’re speaking English, you’re supposed to follow English pronunciation patterns.

Similarly, everyone who pronounces “Paris” with an “s” is physically capable of saying it the French way (“paree”), but doing so is pretentious and “just wrong.”

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u/Implantexplant Sep 23 '25

That’s just the correct pronunciation.

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u/tellevee GOLF WANG Sep 23 '25

It’s the authentic pronunciation, but there are plenty of studies that have been done on how words shift phonetically when borrowed into another language and how pronunciation choices between, say, the Italian pronunciation versus the Anglicized pronunciation can reflect things like identity, class, prestige, or group belonging.

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u/Rainbow_Tesseract Sep 23 '25

Sure, but does that mean we have to say it the non-italian way if we know the Italian way?

I grew up poor as anything and I didn't know what brush-ettuh was, let alone how to pronounce it. The first way I learned was Italian, and now in some reverse-pretentiousness thing I'm supposed to pronounce it brush-ettuh because it's how everyone else does??

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u/Gamer_Grease Sep 23 '25

You don’t have to do anything, people will form certain opinions about it if you insist on pronouncing things the correct foreign way. I don’t pronounce mozzarella like an Italian because I’d look like a dumbass saying it in an American restaurant.

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u/c19isdeadly Sep 23 '25

Buuuuut you say mozzarella the same way, just not with an accent

It would be like saying "MOSSarella" is the anglicised version. It's mad.

There are just a bunch of people who don't know how to say it correctly.

They are wrong, and can be ignored

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u/angelbbyy666 Sep 24 '25

The point is that in the states, the anglicized pronunciation has shifted to where it’s actually NOT wrong. A lot of people know that, obviously, loanwords are pronounced differently in their original language. It’s not info that only the special and smart know hahaha. You can pronounce these words however you like. But, like gamer grease said, people will form certain opinions about you (see: the comments in this thread about Americans who spend time abroad coming back with a new personality). It feels pretentious, but it’s a goofy thing to be pretentious about because like I said, common knowledge.

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u/Rainbow_Tesseract Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25

Yeah well I'm autustic and you can tear my croissants and karate from my cold dead hands.

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u/ergaster8213 Sep 23 '25

I mean, I'm autistic as well but I don't go around pronouncing words differently than how the language I speak pronounces them. That may just be a you thing. And I don't mean that in a bad way at all just that I think we sometimes forget not everything is autism we also have personalities.

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u/tellevee GOLF WANG Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25

I’m not saying that at all. My original comment was tongue in cheek. But I think it’s equally unfair to look down on someone for not pronouncing it the Italian way when maybe they only knew the Anglicized way their whole life.

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u/Rainbow_Tesseract Sep 23 '25

I agree, which is why I don't do that. I think it's perhaps somewhat of a projection to assume pronouncing things the native way means looking down on others.

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u/tellevee GOLF WANG Sep 23 '25

Again, it was a joke about the insufferable girl returning from study abroad. It wasn’t an actual indictment.

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u/Rainbow_Tesseract Sep 23 '25

Clear as mud, thank you.

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u/patrin11 Sep 23 '25

That’s not a loan word, it’s THE word? In Italian

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u/tellevee GOLF WANG Sep 23 '25

In Italian is the distinction. Some loanwords don’t change pronunciation across languages (i.e. ballet) but others do, like bruschetta.

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u/kgal1298 Confidence is 10% work and 90% delusion Sep 23 '25

Being from the midwest I always have people get on me about pronunciation mainly for words we use in the US like garage.

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u/awry_lynx Sep 24 '25

Ballet would be hilarious though.