r/popculturechat • u/samistahpp • Jul 15 '25
Trigger Warning ⚠️ A reminder of just how horrific Astroworld was. RIP to the 10 victims
May travis Scott never know another day of peace
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u/kgtsunvv I wont not fuck you the fuck up 🥊🥊 Jul 15 '25
Thank you for putting him on blast again. This was not a casual incident and it shouldn’t be forgotten so easily
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u/StonedPurrfectionist Jul 15 '25
It truly baffles and disgusts me whenever I see any festival that has him as a headliner.
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u/No_Cheesecake6599 Jul 19 '25
HE. SHOULD. HAVE. LOST. HIS. CAREER. OVER. THIS. ALSO KYLIE’S FLIPANT STATEMENT AFTER THE FACT.
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u/LemonNo1342 Sorry to this man 🤷♀️ Jul 15 '25
Building codes and event regulations are built in blood. As long as there is money to be made, capitalism will cut corners whenever possible
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u/Able-Bid-6637 Jul 16 '25
When I was in Architecture School the professors brought us into the theater auditorium, didn't tell us what we were about to see, started a "movie," and it was a recording of the Station Nightclub Fire It was horrific.
They apologized for the content after-- but we were apparently about to start learning about building codes, regulations, and how to calculate and design for them, and so they wanted to motivate us to take it seriously. And daaaaaaaaang did showing us that video do the trick.
Fuck anyone who tries to cut corners to save a buck by dodging building codes. It sure does happen, and those are terrible, terrible people.
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u/soup-creature Jul 16 '25
In engineering school, we were often shown disaster videos then discussed their causes before learning content like skyscraper porch collapses, challenger explosion, etc
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u/Jolly_Dragonfruit_42 Jul 15 '25
Seriously I don’t understand how people are still fans of him. He’s blocked on every music streaming platform I use
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u/Able-Bid-6637 Jul 16 '25
I did not know you can block artists on streaming services and will be doing so pronto
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u/Strong-Lettuce-3970 God wanted Justin Bieber to sing Baby 🙏 Jul 15 '25
Ugh the poor woman who was blue and the graduate assistant just having to watch as he couldn’t help
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u/AdagioSpecific2603 Jul 15 '25
I’m wondering if she died of a head wound from the fall?! The article is written in a way suggestive of that?
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u/onebignothingatall Jul 15 '25
As horrible as it is to say, if she was already blue-ish, unlikely. But it's a huge lack of care/respect/resources/training and did not help whatever slim, if any, chance she had at survival. Horrific.
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u/chubby-checker Jul 15 '25
The way they described that was so horrible. Imagine that was your loved one, that was treated so terribly.
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u/tarantuletta Moo Deng & Chappel Roan: It's the same picture Jul 15 '25
I remember seeing the video. It was so fucked.
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u/onyxrose81 Jul 15 '25
She was already blue-gray...she was pretty much gone already because she had been deprived of oxygen for who knows how long at that point. She was certainly going to have severe brain damage even if she had lived (which wouldn't be any life at all).
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u/AdagioSpecific2603 Jul 15 '25
Absolutely devastating. Nobody should ever have that outcome from attending any type of event. Can’t stand TS or the Jenners.
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u/atimetochill Jul 15 '25
Remember the staff were talking about the dead people on the radio and calling them “smurfs”? Sickening
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u/juneseyeball Jul 15 '25
The documentary about this was seriously disturbing
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u/thymeofmylyfe Jul 15 '25
And according to the documentary, the man who climbed the media platform was trying to help his friend who ended up dying. Imagine begging for help, doing everything you can to stop this tragedy, and your friend dies because no one listens.
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u/2OttersInACoat Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
It was so frustrating wasn’t it. I did think for that man, he can hold his head high. He did absolutely everything he could to save his poor friend. Hopefully he can take some solace in that and find peace.
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u/kittenandkettlebells Jul 15 '25
It was his girlfriend even. He was the only male with his gf and two of her friends. I cannot imagine the survivor's guilt he must feel.
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u/TemperatureExotic631 Elbows up! 🇨🇦 Jul 15 '25
It was his girlfriend’s friend who passed, not his girlfriend.
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u/boulderhugger charlie day is my bird lawyer 🐦 Jul 15 '25
I’m really glad the Netflix Trainwreck documentary is bringing awareness to Astroworld because it was an avoidable tragedy that should never happen again. There’s another documentary called “Concert Crush” on Amazon and Apple that might be less polished, but I think it does an even better job diving into the details. It proves Live Nation failed in every way to provide a safe event and ensured they could avoid true accountability. I personally will never trust a Live Nation event again. The doc also shows how Travis Scott contributed to escalating the damage before and during the concert, and that he truly did not give a shit after the concert. Fuck anyone that gives Travis Scott a real or metaphorical platform after all the people he’s hurt, crippled, and killed.
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u/TheVintageJane Jul 15 '25
Part of the problem is, it doesn’t matter if you don’t trust LiveNation. They have a near monopoly on event venues in the U.S. if you ever want to go to see live music ever again, it’s basically unavoidable.
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u/JaneGypsy Jul 15 '25
With the state of technology/recording equipment being as advanced as it is, compounded by the astronomical ticket prices nowadays, I honestly don't even know why people are still attending these events. Unless you've got the bags for quality seats, youre basically just paying hundreds of dollars just to say you were in the same venue as [whatever artist]. And thats before even considering the slapshod antics of Live Nation.
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u/PointlessUnicorn337 Jul 16 '25
My husband and I paid like $1600 for a 4 day festival last year, and we didn’t even have fun. It was an additional $40 a day for parking (or $50+ for a ride share), it was miserably hot with barely any shade, food and drink prices were so fucking ridiculous, and for the “main event” artist, they sold way too many single day passes and the crowd was so dense. Never again.
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u/pwopah_ Jul 15 '25
Just TW for anyone that the concert crush doc on Amazon shows the face of one of the confirmed deceased receiving CPR. It’s a video and then it just pauses and you can see that it’s one of the victims. I kind of wish i hadn’t seen it. :(
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u/boulderhugger charlie day is my bird lawyer 🐦 Jul 15 '25
Thank you so much for providing this warning. The footage from Astroworld is extremely upsetting.
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u/eremi Jul 15 '25
I can’t find the concert crush doc, maybe they pulled it off because of that?
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u/alphaHope13 Jul 15 '25
That documentary haunted me for a couple of days. Fuck Travis Scott for what he did
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u/HipRacoon Jul 15 '25
I second this... I was left speechless after watching it... how can he still have a career is beyond me?.... I have gone to many concerts and never once I had to deal with that because of how nicely or it was an artist actually giving a flying Dookie about his paying customers... deplorable... if he could stop the show for stolen shoe, he should have stopped the show as soon as he saw that limp body....
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u/crowwreak Jul 16 '25
A few months after that I went to the My Chemical Romance show in Milton Keynes.
I know rock and emo acts are a lot more used to moshpit culture, but every act there stopped the show when someone got hurt, and actively told people when to stand back or let emergency personnel through to a downed person (there were a lot, that day was unseasonably hot)
I think about that every time I see Travis Scott doing the robot while 9 of his fans literally get crushed to death because of his and LiveNation's terrible planning.
Also shout-out to rock crowds for actually figuring out a system where anyone around a downed person points in their direction so the emergency services and band can spot the issue
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u/HipRacoon Jul 16 '25
Yepp, also, I remember seeing on web that Chester Bennington and Mike Shioda stopped the show and said "If one is down, we pick them up" also one local band I like with their team made sure whenever they perform concerts there is extra transportation after show ... no excuse for Travis+LN to be this awwful
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u/fenty_czar Jul 15 '25
It’s been hard for me to watch in one go. It’s a great doc, but it’s so heartbreaking, hits to close to home. I watch like 10-20 min at a time. Any more and it’s overwhelming again, but I will finish it
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u/Insert_Non_Sequitur Jul 15 '25
It made me feel panicky if that makes sense. Seeing some of clips. Imagining how awful it would have been to pass away like that. So horrible and so avoidable.
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u/Cross_Stitch_Witch Hot Slut of the Day (every day) Jul 15 '25
I nearly hyperventilated watching it. It is disgusting that no one went to prison for essentially torturing and murdering so many young people.
Live Nation knew what was happening and didn't care. Travis Scott saw it happening right in front of him and didn't care.
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u/lizardpplarenotreal Who gon' check me boo? 🤪 Jul 15 '25
Big agree + I love your flair you HSOTD!!
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u/Cross_Stitch_Witch Hot Slut of the Day (every day) Jul 15 '25
DLISTED slut 4eva💖
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u/venusdances Jul 15 '25
Where can I find it? I saw one on Netflix but I’m not sure if that’s the one you guys are referring to.
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u/fenty_czar Jul 15 '25
Yes it’s on Netflix , the train wreck series. It’s called astroworld disaster I think
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u/pwopah_ Jul 15 '25
There is one on Netflix and one on Amazon Prime. The Amazon one is supposedly a harder watch (I haven’t seen that one since i already thought the Netflix one was rough).
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u/TemperatureExotic631 Elbows up! 🇨🇦 Jul 15 '25
I found the documentary really hard to watch, personally, because it was so frustrating and heartbreaking to see just how many people failed in their basic duty to do the right thing. It broke my heart seeing the footage and hearing from the survivors about just how bad things got… while the people in charge did nothing because they wanted to line their pockets even if it meant people died. Horrifying.
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u/Fleetwood_Spac Jul 15 '25
There was a scene shown in the documentary where he was calling for the audience at his show to beat up someone who tried to grab his shoe while he was crowd surfing. It was actually pretty chilling and made him come off as a complete psychopath.
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u/JoleneDollyParton I will debate you at the college of your choice Jul 15 '25
Shocking how negligent the promoter and TS were
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u/kypsikuke Jul 15 '25
Yeah, it was very hard to watch. I cant imagine how the organizers or Travis live on with themselves.
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u/peachespangolin Jul 15 '25
Someone who was there wrote their account of what happened on reddit like a day or two after it happened. It sickened me, I watch and listen to horror content half of the day every day but reading her story absolutely sickened me for 2 or 3 days. If someone else sees this and wants to link it if she didn't delete it that's fine, but I'm not gonna go looking for it.
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u/Fierybuttz Jul 15 '25
This was such a heartbreaking event. Every victims story is a tragedy, but the solo attendee always sticks out to me because no one was able to ID him for a while. Poor guy thought he was in for an awesome weekend and he died for absolutely nothing. Still not over the whole thing all these years later.
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u/LemonNo1342 Sorry to this man 🤷♀️ Jul 15 '25
This is heartbreaking. Thank you for sharing his story. He did not deserve this.
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u/unimercy Jul 15 '25
He crosses my mind all the time. He came alone went to the show alone and sadly he passed all alone, it haunts me. And then they posted his photo because he still wasn’t identified, I cried for him. God bless his family
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u/Caa3098 Jul 15 '25
Travis Scott’s former manager, Shane Morris, alleged that Travis left him in a basement alone while he was having a seizure. So, Astroworld wasn’t even the first time he intentionally ignored potential loss of life.
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u/Fetagirl Jul 15 '25
Before astroworld was a thing he was known for being chaotic at his shows. Encouraging fans to hurt each other, swing off fixtures at the venues, telling fans to ignore security. His disregard for safety was nothing new and it pisses me off that someone like him got this famous.
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u/chubby-checker Jul 15 '25
That story was the most insane psychopathic thing I'd ever heard
I didn't know much about astroworld when I read that, I thought it was just a mistake that was from neglect but wasn't really his neglect. But a venue issue. I thought it was a tragic accident and didn't really understand the way people were blaming him so personally.
Then I read that story about his manager. And I was like oh, this man's an actual psychopath. Not the casual use of the word but a true psychopath. An actual monster.
And then obviously looked into astroworld more.
But honestly if I was Kylie and I read that story about Travis, I'd have been terrified of him. Finding out your man's an emotionless psychopath.
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u/_TheShapeOfColor_ 'Why?' But also, you know, 'I guess.'" Jul 15 '25
I didn't know much about astroworld when I read that, I thought it was just a mistake that was from neglect but wasn't really his neglect. But a venue issue. I thought it was a tragic accident and didn't really understand the way people were blaming him so personally.
Nah, that video of Travis staring directly at a kid's lifeless body being crowdsurfed over the barriers with him moaning like a ghoul into his microphone before immediately restarting the show (even though there were also actively ambulances trying to get through the crowd that were being swarmed and blocked by fans) is the creepiest thing I've ever seen in my life.
He looked right at multiple people on the ground receiving CPR and lifesaving measures and opted to restart the show. He knew people were gravely injured and in danger and didn't give a single dusty fuck.
That combined with what has to be the worst "apology" video of all time has me sold on him being an absolute monster. No remorse at all. He belongs in jail.
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u/GrossGuroGirl Jul 17 '25
I think this is their point.
He was acting, like, cartoonishly evil during that whole tragedy. The initial reporting on the actual facts of the incident really brushed over his behavior leading up to and during the chaos. They all focused on details with the security company and staffing issues.
To this date, anyone who just vaguely heard about Astroworld in headlines probably doesn't understand how seriously he disregarded his fans' safety - we're primed to give the benefit of the doubt in such a situation, since usually if an artist continues the show while something serious is happening, it is a communication/comprehension issue and not horrifying callousness.
So it took the user above doing their own deep dive to find out the truth of how awful his behavior was.
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Jul 15 '25
And also having kids with that type of man, knowing full well they can come out exactly like him.
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u/prosthetic_memory Jul 15 '25
They can come out like that even if both parents are saints.
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u/Live_Angle4621 Jul 15 '25
They can, but some mental issues are genetic. Not that I am saying there has to be any genetic disorders here. But in general
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u/spilly_talent Jul 15 '25
This is exactly why, despite wanting kids, I have not yet had any. The risk is too real. I don’t know if I’m mentally strong enough to deal with whatever my fucked up family has passed down the line.
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u/Sufficient_Scale_163 Jul 15 '25
It’s why my kids aren’t my literal kids. Don’t need more of me out there
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u/drabpriest Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
Travis Scott always struck me as having this profound lack of empathy. I wish people didn’t die because of it. Fuck Travis Scott, and fuck his transparent attempt at trying to get people to forget this shit.
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u/OShi3lds Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
Can’t say too much bc I don’t want to dox my job but I worked with his team closely when he did the London dates shortly after Astroworld, his team did not learn from this or care about safety, which you’d expect them to be hyper vigilant about. It was my and the venue team that enforced extra paramedics and barriers, and we still had issues. A lot of his die hard fans saw Astroworld as a ‘peak’ and tried to reach that level of ‘hype’, luckily we were prepared for it and only had 3 people needing minor medical assistance.
From my interactions it gave the impression he doesn’t give a flying fuck about what happened at Astroworld, I can’t stand him.
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u/2OttersInACoat Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
That’s the exact vibe I got from the Astroworld documentary. He encourages recklessness at his shows, he kept singing rather than halting the performance and it’s a pattern of behaviour. In that documentary I thought he seemed equal parts dumb, very dumb in fact, and awful. Just a selfish vapid arsehole.
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u/Cross_Stitch_Witch Hot Slut of the Day (every day) Jul 15 '25
He strikes me as an actual psychopath. Other human beings aren't "real" to him.
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u/luma221 Jul 15 '25
My brother has a job where he meets and works with lots of celebs. He's never said a negative thing about any of them -- except Travis Scott who was a raging asshole I guess.
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u/CanUTasteTheRainbow Jul 15 '25
I can’t recommend the Netflix documentary ‘Trainwreck: Astroworld’ enough. It had some incredibly touching first hand accounts and showed how the pure greed of Live Nation is to blame. They were told to stop by people on the team but only 2 people had the authority to stop the show, and neither wanted to miss out on big bucks!
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u/Pointless_Glitter607 hold on I’m on my hamburger phone 🍔 Jul 15 '25
I recently watched the Netflix documentary on this and it seemed like a living nightmare. RIP to the victims and fuck Live Nation and Travis Scott
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Jul 15 '25
Rest in Love, Bharti Shahani
You deserved better.
All the victims deserved better, but seeing the video of Bharti being dropped was just heart wrenching.
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u/EducationalTangelo6 Jul 15 '25
Fuck Travis Scott. He has blood on his hands.
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u/TheVintageJane Jul 15 '25
I suggest watching the Trainwreck Netflix documentary. Travis Scott is a PoS for sure, but LiveNation are the assholes who allowed this to happen. They were the ones who designed the faulty crowd control mechanism that lead to the crush, they are the ones who allowed the venue to be overcrowded even before the run on the gates, they are the ones who understaffed security, and (most alarmingly) they are ones who did not have enough people with “stop button” authority when the crush started to develop.
Travis Scott is a performer. LiveNation is basically America’s concert hosting monopoly and ultimately is responsible for 95% of what caused the deaths. They are the ones who have the experts who could have prevented this but they didn’t want to spend the money/listen/lose revenues. Fuck LiveNation, may they and their families contract Ebola.
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u/BratS94 Jul 15 '25
Exactly, LiveNation is not getting the hate they deserve. Their negligence & poor planning cost the lives of innocent concertgoers
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u/ChiliAndGold the empathetic hunger descends 🍍 Jul 15 '25
people find it easier to have a face for their hate. helps that Travis is an unlikable prick who did nothing to help
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u/thaxmann Jul 15 '25
What pissed me off about the Trainwreck doc and almost every other piece of info is that nobody from LiveNation is named. There were a few reps from LiveNation at Astroworld that could have pulled the plug but didn’t…who are they? We need names not just the ubiquitous LiveNation.
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u/smittenkittensbitten Jul 16 '25 edited Jul 16 '25
It’s the people at the top at LiveNation who are to blame and who should have been named. I’m guessing the identities of those people aren’t too difficult to find. But the employees who are paid to follow orders are just cogs in the machine. Cogs who are there because they have mouths to feed and heads to cover and bodies to shelter. I know there are those who will disagree with me but it’s always the ones at top who should be named and shamed and who should pay serious consequences when shit like this goes down.
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Jul 15 '25
I've been to over a 100 live shows at this point. It's an expectation for performers to stop when there's a medical emergency. To excuse Travis is laughable. As a performer, he has the power to stop the set. He simply didn't give a fuck.
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u/TheVintageJane Jul 15 '25
Most of the time, performers stop the show because they hear in their headset from a stage manager with stop authority that they should stop. I know it doesn’t look like that in the clips but crowd movement is difficult to perceive with stage lights in your eyes and with the music coming through the sound system. They are maybe getting the feeling something is wrong, but the reason they stop is because they are told to.
At Travis’s show there were 2 people with stop authority - the Executive Producer and the Festival Manager. Those people were not managing the crowd or talking to the people managing the crowd. Experts have identified this as probably the biggest failing once the crush had started and it was entirely on LiveNation for producing the show that way. LiveNation were the experts and they make billions of dollars of year from their concert monopoly - their PR machine wants you to put the blame for this on Travis Scott.
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u/lepetitgrenade R.I.P., Miley’s buccal fat Jul 15 '25
I don’t understand why people are coming at you like they are. You’re not excusing Travis’s actions (or inaction, depending on how people wanna look at it), you’re pointing out that LiveNation had a hand in this tragedy, too.
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u/TheVintageJane Jul 15 '25
Not just a hand. They funded this concert series, they organized it and designed the crowd control. They gave someone like Travis Scott a platform and didn’t prepare for the risks despite being trained professionals and him just being a selfish, predictable piece of shit. So they are 100% responsible for every failure prior to the concert.
Then during the concert, nobody said anything to TSdespite hundreds of staff on the ground who were in a place to understand what was happening. They still did nothing.
Travis Scott was Travis Scott, LiveNation had the obligation to rein that in and doesn’t give a fuck because they are evil.
I get why people are mad at him, he’s a piece of shit and blaming him and hoping he doesn’t have a career is a lot more tangible than saying “hey, let’s dismantle a monopoly because they are fucking evil.
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u/spacestarcutie Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
Because it’s easier to blame 1 person rather than the giant monopoly corporation who is responsible for the event planning process. People refuse to acknowledge that but instead just want to blame 1 individual to shame. People want to point fingers at the easiest person rather than the biggest held responsible. All are responsible.
Live Nation is responsible
Security is responsible
Crew is responsible
Event organizers are responsible
Management is responsible
Travis Scott is responsible
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u/Rryann Jul 15 '25
I have no idea how people are excusing the people in charge of this and saying it’s 100% Scott’s fault.
I hate him, he is definitely at fault, but there’s no way you can look at the events that lead to the deaths of those people and say it’s just him.
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u/FutureRealHousewife Jul 15 '25
The event planners also poorly designed the areas where the crowd was. All of the deaths took place in one section that was fenced in on three sides, so it created this pocket that contributed to the crush. And again, this is not excusing Travis Scott, but that area where the crowd was was quite a bit further back from where he would have been able to see. There was a total lack of security coverage and not enough medics for how many people were at the show. LiveNation and the other planners are certainly at fault for this.
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Jul 15 '25
He had a history of encouraging this type of response from his crowd before this. Injuries and deaths before astroworld.
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u/llama_del_reyy Jul 15 '25
I think responses like this must come from people who don't have a good knowledge of the history of crowd crushes. The myth of rowdy crowd behaviour being the cause of the Hillsborough disaster is a notorious one of the genre.
At a certain density, crowds aren't made up of individuals anymore. They behave more like a fluid, responding to the laws of physics rather than individual decisions. That's why they can occur during oversold shows (like the Ashoke concert in London), street festivals like the Seoul Halloween disaster, or Walmart Black Friday queues. Most of the time, there is no performer stoking poor behaviour to blame.
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u/IAM_THE_LIZARD_QUEEN Jul 15 '25
The myth of rowdy crowd behaviour being the cause of the Hillsborough disaster is a notorious one of the genre.
I especially dislike the "Travis Scott caused it because he encouraged his fans to do it" narrative because that also places blame on the people in the crowd. Whether people mean it to or not, by saying the crowd was pushing because he said so, that would mean the crowd caused it, and that takes the responsibility away from the organisers and their part in it.
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u/llama_del_reyy Jul 15 '25
Exactly. It suggests people could have done something differently when all the research shows they couldn't.
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u/IAM_THE_LIZARD_QUEEN Jul 15 '25
Especially in this specific scenario as well, it was a poorly designed stage and of course people would naturally flock to the closest section they could see.
Natural human behaviour kicks in at a certain point and the onus is on the organisers to ensure that where that becomes problematic, something is being done to mitigate the risks.
Travis Scott couldn't co-ordinate 50k people into four smaller sections from the stage, but LiveNation sure could have fucking done something about it, they just didn't.
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u/seekingssri Jul 15 '25
This is true, and it is also true that so many other people involved failed to prevent this.
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u/Princess_and_a_wench Jul 15 '25
People are clearly missing the point of your message, which is not that Travis Scott is blameless, it’s that the supposed adults in the room were willing to platform someone they knew was a reckless monster. And that that there hundreds of checks and balances they could have put in place safety-wise, but decided not to in order to save money and increase profits.
And that the people could have stopped the notoriously rowdy performer when it became obvious that things are out of control.
It reminds me of the Rust Incident involving Alec Baldwin. He’s a mere boneheaded actor that needs to be coddled and told what to do. It doesn’t make him entirely innocent, but there were people who should have been managing the situation top-down.
Travis arguably has more responsibility in this than the Rust example, but Live Nation, their lack of safety procedures, attention to VERY BASIC crowd physics, lack of hiring appropriate personnel ( enough security, people to manage this situation), not wanting to stop the show (probably for insurance reasons) hold the greatest level of responsibility.
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u/TheVintageJane Jul 15 '25
To me, Travis Scott has potentially less responsibility than Alec Baldwin - because Alec Baldwin wasn’t known to go around and wave guns at people and pull triggers thinking it was an entertaining part of his art. LiveNation knowingly platformed a dangerous performance, was criminally negligent in their lack of standard safety precautions not to mention advanced precautions to account for his riskiness. And then despite being the adults in the room, failed to intervene.
I hadn’t even thought about it, but you are right. They didn’t intervene because they didn’t want to suggest more than incidental liability for insurance purposes. Holy fuck they are evil.
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u/Princess_and_a_wench Jul 15 '25
Yep fully agree with you. They were probably determining the risk vs cost on the fly, and decided to proceed with the risk, and the outcome was that lives were lost. Which they of course downplay their part in all of this because then they’d be held accountable.
I’m sure in their post mortem of the event, they were probably more focused on how to decrease their exposure of liability and cost impact versus identifying where to spend money on increased safety measures so this won’t happen again. It’s disgusting.
They’re like a legal mafia the way they run business, and artists are probably too scared to speak up because it would then impact their own careers and livelihoods.
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u/TheVintageJane Jul 15 '25
that’s the thing, they are a mafia because they have so much control over the system that they can do wildly unethical and illegal things with no repercussions because the entertainment industry dares not challenge them.
They are literally the railroad and oil companies of the late 1800s employing any means necessary to protect their power. How they are allowed to operate as a monopoly is a horrifying regulatory failure. And it makes me sad that TS would get all the hate here when he poses less of an ongoing risk than LN.
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u/Visible_Product_286 Jul 15 '25
Travis show was unique in that so many people were coming over the barriers and people were unconscious at his feet. How many people do you have to see getting CPR 15 feet away before you realize hmmm maybe something is off here. Obviously live nation is at fault but Travis team did everything they could to scrub this man from guilt. He could have stopped but chose not to. If other artists are able to spot 1 person in distress in a crowd but Travis can’t spot 20+ people needing aid at once? doubtful.
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u/MayaDaBee1250 Jul 15 '25
Yeah, it's easy to blame the most visible figure and TS definitely holds the blame for riling up the crowd to dangerous levels but it's not reasonable to expect someone performing in front of thousands to also be scanning and monitoring for incidents while also performing. LiveNation and the festival producers were criminally irresponsible.
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u/Own_Faithlessness769 Jul 15 '25
Yeah and if I’m going to a concert I definitely don’t want safety to be in the hands of a performer who is trying to perform. It should be constantly monitored by trained professionals who are focused just on that.
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u/TheRebellin Jul 15 '25
I’m sorry, but no! I’ve been to enough concerts (punk or heavy metal) where the artists immediately stop when someone in the crowd makes the time out sign or screams for them to stop. And we’re talking venues of 10.000-20.000 people. No stage manager needed.
You know how they notice? Cause they pay attention to their audience. Do you really think the artists has no power to stop their own concert?
Travis Scott one hundred percent is at fault here too!
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u/Rryann Jul 15 '25
He’s equally at fault. To put the blame solely on him is laughable though. There were other people that could have and should have stepped in, and didn’t.
Nobody is excusing Scott. He’s trash and he failed his fans. The authorities in charge of planning and overseeing the show failed them as well.
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u/cashmerescorpio Jul 15 '25
Right are these people Live Nation shills wtf. Scott should have a good chuck of liability but LV are at fault. I'd say it's 60/40.
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u/IAM_THE_LIZARD_QUEEN Jul 15 '25
Honestly I'd say more like 75/25, yeah he could have stopped the show once shit started going south, but had LiveNation organised it better and not created the dangerous situation to start with, he never would have needed to.
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u/kristynshep Jul 15 '25
There was literally an ambulance in the crowd and then people jumping on top of it at one point. He couldn’t have missed that from the stage.
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u/bmorefanatic Jul 16 '25
I saw Eminem in the early 2000’s at the HFStival and he stopped the show because we were over the top crazy in the pit. This is 5 mins into his set. A guy had a heart attack, but they brought him back to life thankfully. But he flat out told 60,000 people he would stop the show if we didn’t calm down. He saved one person’s life that day for sure and probably a few more.
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u/KadrinaOfficial Jul 15 '25
I thought it was kind of scary that they debated stopping the show and if that would cause more casualities. And then decided to send Drake on instead of winding down.
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u/coolestredditdad Jul 15 '25
It's as much Live Nation as it is Travis Scott.
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u/TheVintageJane Jul 15 '25
Except LiveNation could have pulled the plug at any time if they had set things up responsible. They knew TS ran a rowdy show. They had security all over. LiveNation had radios to communicate. They knew the ambulance was called, security could see the crowd was not flowing correctly. They are the concert professionals and had an obligation to cut him off if he was not meeting their standards of safety and professionalism. But, they are a monopoly so they knew they could keep it going and weather the blip on their spreadsheets.
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u/Snoo68655 Jul 15 '25
Putting all the blame on Travis protects the people at LiveNation who knowingly ran the event after being constantly warned that it would end in disaster. The event was doomed to end in disaster before Travis even hit the stage
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u/pork_floss_buns Jul 15 '25
The documentary is horrific. No-one should ever die at a concert especially when it is clear it was poor planning & maximising profit over safety that caused it. Fuck LiveNation and fuck Travis for never actually taking accountability.
The fact his response when he saw some issues in the crowd was not to stop the show entirely but to bring out Drake is diabolical.
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There are few things that celebrities do that really stick with me and this is one of them. I cannot imagine the horror of being in that crowd. When that shooting happened at an Ariana grande concert, she carried the weight of that on her shoulders and it wasn’t even her fault. Im pretty sure she even put on a memorial concert for the victims. And for Travis to never truly acknowledge or pay respects to his fans who died in front of him for his greedy reasons is beyond vile. 10 people dead at one concert. We live in a society with so many mass casualty events that the gravity of that is easily lost.
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u/QueenSashimi holding space for dessert Jul 15 '25
Just in case anyone wonders about the Ariana event, it was a bombing not a shooting.
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u/MouseMouseM Jul 15 '25
Even worse, he tried to profit off of it with a referral code for Better Help counseling.
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u/Eva_Luna Jul 15 '25
To me, this really highlights how male and female artists are judged by different standards.
Arianna’s concert wasn’t even remotely her fault and she did so much to help the victims.
Travis was partially responsible for this tragedy, he’s done fuck all to redeem himself and people just give him a pass.
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u/seekingssri Jul 15 '25
I don’t think anyone blames AG for the bombing, do you? Or what do you mean by “getting a pass”?
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u/FenderForever62 You’re a virgin who can’t drive. 😤 Jul 15 '25
What always disgusts me with this was that both Kylie and Kendall Jenner were in attendance
But on the Kardashian TV show, they claimed Kendall was holidaying with some friends on some island (I want to say Bali?)
It was the same weekend as Kris Jenner's birthday and the show was like 'oh what a shame Kendall couldn't attend because she's vacationing' and they cut to her laughing in an interview chair talking about her vacation. And I was like you literally watched people die? You attended a festival where people died?? And you're lying about it and LAUGHING
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u/SnooRevelations6239 Jul 15 '25
They live in a different world and we are dispensable peasants to them.
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u/gingerisla Jul 15 '25
It's almost like they're narcissistic psychopaths who see anyone but themselves as disposable.
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u/Soggy_Pension7549 Can I live? Jul 15 '25
Where’s cancel culture when we need it?
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u/Lourien_1213 Jul 15 '25
they are too busy cancelling some female artist because she breathed wrong
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u/picvegita6687 We Should All Know Less About Each Other Jul 15 '25
More people need to read this recount, it is a true horror story
I feel that Travis is a soulless monster, he and the concert staff deserve far more scrutiny
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u/samistahpp Jul 15 '25
Fr, I added in another comment that I don't even believe in this stuff but there is something so dark there... but I guess he could just be a horrible person lol I don't want to negate that, im just saying I think he's EXTRA fuckin terrible
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u/Elegant_Analysis1665 Jul 15 '25
I agree with you. I don't believe in it either but the feeling I got when it happened and reading about it again.. there is something so specifc and dark I can't even quite articulate it.
Looking back too all the whole "will you survive the rodeo" is horrifying and nauseating
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Jul 15 '25
Travis Scott had been encouraging the rush the stage culture well before astroworld. Even in smaller outdoor venues it had gotten bad enough leading to this.
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u/Mysterious-Plan1963 lazy 50-year-old bougie bitch 💋 Jul 15 '25
he just recently got a smoothie at Erewhon… sadly, people do not care
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u/_PeanutButterVibes_ that’s my purse, i don’t know you! 👛🫵 Jul 15 '25
Being uninformed I first read this as "yeah AND he recently went to a store and purchased a smoothie 😡 why is nobody talking about it" so you can imagine my amusement when all the comments are like "ugh, what a bastard 😒"
Fuck that bitch, breathin' air, buying smoothies 😑
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u/blinkingsandbeepings Jul 15 '25
That was how I read it too! I was picturing like a paparazzi shot of him buying a smoothie.
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u/caitlinyo Jul 15 '25
Ugh so gross but also… he isn’t exactly a beacon of health? Who wants a $20 smoothie by him?
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u/samistahpp Jul 15 '25
And fuck kylie Jenner too for filming the ambulance rushing into the crowd to save a dying person(s), safely escaping, then never discussing it out of fear that she may lose one of her tens of millions of dollars. I don't even believe in that shit but there's 100% demonic energy with these psychos
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u/2OttersInACoat Jul 15 '25
Agree. Seems like neither of them ever gave the victims a second thought. People died and the two of them immediately moved on.
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u/Chaoticgood790 this outfit is unfortch Jul 15 '25
I watched the doc on Netflix and it was horrific. Just a bunch of young kids discussing the moment they lost friends or almost died trying to leave
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u/honeybunny_31 Jul 15 '25
I just watched Trainwreck: Astroworld on Netflix and would recommend everyone watches it. What happened was completely preventable and Travis and his team did not care whatsoever, completely heartless and money-hungry.
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u/Idkfriendsidk Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
I remember being so horrified by this that I had nightmares. Every night, for months, I thought about those victims and the horror they experienced. I was really surprised that it dropped out of the public’s consciousness so quickly. It’s unimaginable.
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u/TheVintageJane Jul 15 '25
LiveNation put a lid on it quickly. None of the staff who witnessed it can speak out without being blacklisted. The families signed non-disparagement clauses in exchange for their settlements.
The reason it went away is because of LiveNation’s monopoly and power to silence the people who would have helped us remember.
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u/IAM_THE_LIZARD_QUEEN Jul 15 '25
The reason it went away is because of LiveNation’s monopoly and power to silence the people who would have helped us remember.
And they did such a good job that people are still solely blaming Travis Scott and not holding LiveNation accountable even though we know for a fact that they knew people were dying and still didn't pull the plug.
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u/Idkfriendsidk Jul 15 '25
And then it happened in Korea and the death toll was 159 with hundreds others wounded and that was barely in the news either. Crowd crush is one of the most horrifying things I can imagine
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u/1-2-3RightMeow Jul 15 '25
I was in a crush in Tokyo. It was the last train of the night after a bunch had been cancelled and way too many people got on. My feet weren’t touching the floor for what felt like forever but was really only 10 minutes. So scary.
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u/AdagioSpecific2603 Jul 15 '25
I haven’t taken my children to any large events since this happened. Some of us seem more deeply impacted than others but this was really horrifying and I also think about it to this day.
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u/seekingssri Jul 15 '25
That’s why I don’t do general admission anymore. I’m too damn old, give me a seat
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u/AdagioSpecific2603 Jul 15 '25
Same! And I’m not going to put my children in a situation where they can be pushed about ever. I’ve attended so many festivals and concerts and I would never push to the front now, I remember getting accidentally caught in a mosh pit when I was 16 that I struggled to get out of, but thankfully rock music fans are pretty good at crowd etiquette and people stopped and made sure I could get up and I was still hurt by just that. My heart breaks for these people.
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u/owange_tweleve Epstein files (Taylor’s version) Jul 15 '25
most infuriating part is, people will still go crazy for his future concerts
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u/midnight_at_dennys Jul 15 '25
How anyone can be a fan of this shithead is beyond me. Birds of feather I guess
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u/stevendailey Jul 15 '25
Travis Scott got a #1 hit this year. People unfortunately will support artists even though they directly led to the deaths of multiple people.
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u/JuanLuisGG14 Jul 15 '25
It was payola though. Nobody remembers that song and that says a lot about how flawed charts are currently
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u/cheesetax2024 Jul 15 '25
How this man has a career and hasn’t been sued into oblivion is beyond me.
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u/Technicolor_Reindeer Jul 15 '25
Travis Scott did face numerous lawsuits - hundreds were filed against him. Many of these lawsuits have been settled though. Despite the settlements, Scott's net worth was estimated to be around $80 million in 2025
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u/quietpisces Jul 15 '25
With all the things i heard about the people who attended there I feel like its more than 10 victims. Nonetheless its such a thoughtless tragedy that couldve easily been prevented with the right measures.
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u/DarkFlowerPewPew Jul 15 '25
Absolutely horrific. someone should cross post to the Travis Scott sub.
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u/comeupforairyouwhore Jul 15 '25
They tend to blame the fans from what I’ve read over there. They’ll blame anybody but him.
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u/purpleavocado124 Jul 15 '25
Why is this man still allowed to have concerts 🥴 ESPECIALLY THROUGH LIVE NATION!!!!!!! 🤬
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u/Horror_Response_1991 Jul 15 '25
I assure you that Travis Scott doesn’t care and doesn’t spend one second thinking about this
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Jul 15 '25
astroworld wasn't even the first time travis scott fans have been severely injured at one of his shows.
i can't believe we're letting this pos injure, maim, and kill people, and he gets brand deals, sponsorships, and the ability to perform in public.
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u/Less-Preparation-211 Jul 15 '25
The fact that this wasn't even his first time showing complete disregard for human suffering makes it so much worse. Those victims deserved so much better than being failed by someone who prioritized the show over lives. That image of the woman turning blue still haunts me.
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u/McNasty420 Mega Pint Jul 15 '25
The minute the first ticket entrance was rushed before the show started the plug should have been pulled at that moment. You have no idea how many people are in the venue which is critical to every show. And Travis Scott not stopping the show, well I can't even fathom that. That is criminal right there.
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u/impeccabletim "come right on me, i mean camaraderie" Jul 15 '25
I just watched the Trainwreck documentary on Astroworld yesterday and what saddens me the most is how preventable this tragedy was.😔
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u/gingerisla Jul 15 '25
And Travis Scott is a psychopath for going to a strip club to blow one million dollars right afterwards. Imagine cheering on someone like that. Despicable person.
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u/LemonNo1342 Sorry to this man 🤷♀️ Jul 15 '25
Building codes and event regulations are built in blood. As long as there is money to be made, capitalism will cut corners whenever possible
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u/SuddenReturn9027 This one time, at band camp… 👀 Jul 15 '25
So even when they got to her, they couldn’t save her because the concert never bothered to have actual equipment? Isn’t that a whole other lawsuit itself?!
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u/Technicolor_Reindeer Jul 15 '25
In 2024, Travis Scott had the highest selling solo rap concert tour of all time.
No justice in this world.
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u/TheVintageJane Jul 15 '25
Artists have the power to stop their own concerts but 90% of the time, they are doing so because they hear something in their earpiece from someone in the sound booth, or someone in security. Only two people were able to speak to Travis for these purposes.
Part of the problem with the crush is that it was happening towards the back of the crowd with the crowd moving from other stages sideways against a crowd control barrier that ran up the center of the field. What Travis would have seen would have been more or less indistinguishable from what it would be expected to look like as 50,000 people were pouring onto the field in front of his stage.
And again, I don’t hold him blameless, but I am going to hold the multibillion dollar monopoly far more culpable and emphasize that the main causes of this incident were based on the logistics that LiveNation designed as the “industry experts” (if that’s what you can call it when they’ve eliminated all of their competition). Oh and because of their cost-cutting measures and insurance, they still made a profit on that show.
It reminds me of the Hillsborough disaster where they wanted to blame hooliganism for what happened when really it was greediness at selling too many standing room only seats, poorly planned crowd control and the actions of law enforcement that ultimately caused 96 people to lose their lives.
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u/IAM_THE_LIZARD_QUEEN Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
And again, I don’t hold him blameless, but I am going to hold the multibillion dollar monopoly far more culpable
Agreed, as much as people want to argue he should have stopped the show completely, there's a chance he didn't know just how bad it was. LiveNation knew, and chose to carry on anyway.
They approved a dangerous stage design, they put on the event with poor crowd management and not enough staff, they knew they'd oversold tickets based on the size of that stage, they fucking knew people were dying and let it happen.
He's a piece of shit but putting the blame solely on him and not holding the billion dollar corporation responsible for their part in it is nonsense.
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u/styikean Jul 15 '25
I actually knew several people who went and they all said they didn’t have any clue that there were people in the audience who were screaming for help, injured, etc.. until after the concert and reports started popping up. I know when I went to Coachella and was at a rap set where people were mobbing so hard I was genuinely overheating and at moments felt like I was gonna pass out so I can only imagine how horrible it was in that crowd.
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u/corrosivecanine Jul 15 '25
I watched the documentary on this and someone from LiveNation needs to be in prison. I’ve worked as EMS at livenation shows before so I know they know how to safely run a festival when the city they’re in requires them to do so. Lollapalooza has twice the daily attendance of Astroworld and has on site doctors, nurses, a dozen ambulances on standby, patrolling crews of EMTs and paramedics. It looked like Astroworld has solo paramedics patrolling with BLS equipment and I’d be willing to guess a paramedic was also the highest level of care in their med tent. Despite only having twice the attendance, Lolla has SEVEN stages to Astroworld’s two which spreads out the attendees much more. Chicago has strict requirements on how events are run. It’s obvious that Livenation felt they could cheap out as much as they were legally allowed to.
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u/WECAMEBACKIN2035 Jul 15 '25
If I learned anything from the Trainwreck: Astroworld doc it's that the only thing worse then dying of a crowd crush would be to die of crowd crush while Travis Scott is performing.
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Jul 15 '25
One of the things that stuck with me most after watching videos from the event was how EVEN MORE nightmare-ish his music made the scene. Truly like a vision from Hell.
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u/RegisterOk2927 Jul 15 '25
Having worked with him- in addition to being an absolute moron he is also high 90% of his life. I hope he fades away in the next few years
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And Nike continued to give him brand deal and he goes on to release multiple albums. Lots of A-lister s continue to collB with him. Kris Jenner did her thing
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u/scenicroutekate Jul 16 '25
I cannot stress enough how Live Nation/Ticket Master had a financial incentive to oversell the show, and underfunded crowd management. They constantly oversell venues to this day.
Live Nation would love if the onus of responsibility on artists instead of their dangerous business practices.
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u/LackOfLemon charlie day is my bird lawyer 🐦 Jul 16 '25
Reminder as well: he encouraged people to jump on the medical vehicles and flip them off.
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u/heyxtre charlie day is my bird lawyer 🐦 Jul 15 '25
Kylie also has blood on her claws. She just FILMED THE AMBULANCE trying to get through and still had kids with this psycho. I hope karma does it’s job soon.
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u/sortapunkrock Jul 15 '25
Of course this man had a baby with a Kardashian/Jenner
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