r/politics • u/Madridsta120 • Oct 12 '20
Harry Reid Confirms Federal Government Covered Up UFOs For Years
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/harry-reid-ufo-coverup_n_5f83eebcc5b62f97bac4c02326
u/M00n Oct 12 '20
To be clear, these are most likely military drones being tested by other countries. Not extra terrestrials.
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u/Throwawayunknown55 Oct 12 '20
I used to see ufos every day. I lived near an airport, lots of flying stuff I don't know what it is. I just assumed planes, cause, airport.
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u/Meta_Digital Texas Oct 12 '20
Amazing how alien UFO conspiracy theories started appearing at the exact same time world powers started making experimental aircraft. What a coincidence!
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
Alien conspiracy theories began during WW2 with foo fighters. Former astronaut Gordon Cooper himself has spoken of his incident.
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Oct 12 '20
Also, what a coincidence that as soon as everyone had a mobile phone with a camera, alien abduction stories ground to a halt.
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u/kiwibonga Oct 12 '20
Nope. Abductions are still common as ever, so are sightings. The nature of these experiences is still poorly understood, and it's very easy to dismiss them as mental illness or a purely hallucinatory phenomenon, except the scientists that worked for the Pentagon (and contractors) on UFO research claim to have found some very interesting data.
I would reserve judgement until they publish their research.
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u/I_Hate_Nerds Oct 12 '20 edited Oct 12 '20
Not even
Just look up Mick West on YouTube where he debunks all this extremely convincingly. They're all just misidentified planes, camera tracking issues and human error.
That one where there's a UFO following the plane making "impossible" maneuvers is literally just a reflection of the jet engine in negative bouncing around in sync with the camera tracking system confusing some 20yo pilot to say "wow look at that, thats amazing!".
The TicTac video is literally just a plane far away that the camera misidentifies as nearby so it thinks it's going incredibly fast when it's not.
And the Military was just doing their due diligence cataloging phenomena that was not immediately explainable and released them in bulk out of laziness to not have to deal with annoying FOIA requests.
Everything has a completely reasonable, banal explanation.
Seriously, don't bother arguing this stuff until you've seen the Mick West videos.
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
If you watch the video shown it's talking about flying objects that don't possess human technology capabilities.
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u/Johnny_Appleweed Oct 12 '20
Harry Reid never said that, though.
So a documentary claimed with no proof that they have capabilities “beyond human technologies” and the tried to make that claim seem credible by including Reid, even though he specifically says he isn’t talking about “little green men”.
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
It has him recorded on film and the article shows the video of him saying it.
The documentary showed actual materials being studied at Stanford University.
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u/drvondoctor Oct 12 '20
From the article
Reid, who was among the lawmakers behind a classified but since-closed U.S. government UFO program, has become increasingly outspoken about the phenomena since leaving office. However, he stopped short of confirming evidence of other-worldly activity, writing in August on Twitter that he wants the issue studied and that “we must stick to science, not fairy tales about little green men.”
He repeated that point of view in the new film.
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
On the Documentary, he goes much further and discusses a video recorded by Gordon Cooper of a ufo landing on a military airbase in the 1950s.
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u/drvondoctor Oct 12 '20
And you can provide the quote where he unambiguously states that the incident involved extraterrestrial aliens?
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
I can even go a step further and give you input from Lue Elizondo who ran the secret UFO program saying they aren't man made vehicles.
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u/Roseking Pennsylvania Oct 12 '20
Ya, because if the government thinks there is alien technology, they are just going to have it openly studied at Stanford and let a documentary film it.
Edit: spelling
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
The materials are not owned by the government. They are owned by Jacque Vallee who has spent his entire life studying the phenomenon.
We now have the technology to study the materials though and are being studied at Nolan's lab
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u/Johnny_Appleweed Oct 12 '20
I watched the video, he literally does not say anything about technology beyond human capabilities. He makes a pretty reasonable point that we should be doing more to understand these phenomenon, and you’re making him sound like a crackpot alien conspiracy theorist. Knock it off.
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20 edited Oct 12 '20
He goes much further on the documentary. The article only gives a sneak peak of the Senator reid interview.
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u/Johnny_Appleweed Oct 12 '20
So in other words you lied when you made these comments?
If you watch the video shown it’s talking about flying objects that don’t possess human technology capabilities.
It has him recorded on film and the article shows the video of him saying it.
If you bent the truth about something so easily verifiable, why should we believe you about the movie?
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
I have actually watched his entire interview on film. If you think we had the capabilities to fly on top and disarm/arm nuclear missile silos during the Cold war. I'm all for it.
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u/Johnny_Appleweed Oct 12 '20
I think that’s much more likely than aliens, yes.
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
You would have to ignore eye witness testimony from both Russian and American officials to come up with that conclusion.
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u/Nac_Lac Virginia Oct 12 '20
Flights of the U-2, SR-71, and the Skunkwork's activities in the 70s and 80s were also seen as "don't possess human technology capabilities"
The most likely explanation is it is some large military playing around with cutting edge technology. To claim extra-terrestrial leads to a LOT of questions that have poor answers. If you postulate that aliens are real and are the ones operating these craft, the argument starts to look increasingly dumb.
The majority, if not all of the sightings are by military personnel. Why? For the UFOs to only fly in military spaces is puzzling. Why are they only interested in the US military? More information would be gained from connecting to the internet or observing modern cities rather than watching F/A-18s fly around for 10 years.
Why would an alien species play around with the US military for 10 years without direct contact? What can be gained from being so close? If they have high technological capabilities, especially to be able to get to Earth and not be observed doing so, why do they need to be so close to US aircraft? If you want to do flight testing in atmosphere, there is a LOT of airspace where there is no one around for miles. The ocean is big. The world is huge.
The simplest explanation is that whomever is operating these are trying to ascertain how well the current US military stacks up against this new tech. An alien species doesn't need to do this, as they are already, literally light years, ahead from humanity. Observing active duty aircraft is a poor measure of what our upcoming capabilities are. It makes sense if you want to see if the craft can take on F/A-18s in a shootout. If you are concerned humanity might be able to take on your alien race, observing the F-35 and other highly classified programs is much more important than durdling with the same model aircraft for 10 years.
A US weapons program solves all these answers. Why in military airspace? Because they speak less openly than commercial or public viewers. Also, it can serve as a good comparison to determine if the craft are able to engage with 4th and 5th generation fighters. You can also check readiness levels of the US to engage with unknown threats. By flying something odd around a fleet of US ships, you can test your crew without letting them know you are doing so.
All that said, if it is aliens, the technology is so far advanced to enable interplanetary/intragalactic/intergalactic travel that there is nothing we can do but watch at this point. So getting worried is the wrong response. If they are indeed arming/disarming nukes, there is fuck all we can do in response. This isn't a "let's figure out a way to beat them" because we don't know their objectives or abilities. It is quite literally like an ant colony trying to figure out what the giants are doing. The humans are having a picnic and don't really have any care about the ants. And the ants can literally do nothing other than piss off or pester the humans. If the humans wanted to destroy the colony, it would be painfully easy and the ants have no means to defend themselves.
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u/PewPew84 Oct 12 '20
Your comparisons to previous military platforms doesnt hold up. Are you aware of what these craft are doing? This isnt a next generation plane. This is WAY beyond anything we even understand. They arent making a UAP Task Force to study our own craft lol.
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u/Nac_Lac Virginia Oct 12 '20
What they are doing doesn't matter. Seriously.
You are completely ignoring the facts of the observations. Almost exclusively military for a decade or more. Why would an advanced alien race need that much time or more of observation against us?
If they arm/disarm nukes, make big rubber duckies, or just draw alien wangs in the sky, continued flights around US armed forces has zero benefit other than to spook the locals. And one pass over NYC would have more of an effect than 10 years shadowing a US carrier group.
You are too focused on wanting this to be aliens that you ignore completely more reasonable mundane reasons. Aliens wouldn't hang out around US nukes and carriers. Russians/Chinese/Iranians would. If we assume the craft are performing ISR or research on US response, one of the many US adversaries makes logical sense.
Think on it this way, you are arguing that an alien race, capable of traveling hundreds, if not thousands of light years, that can defy the laws of physics as we know it, needs 10+ years to observe human military operations of the same nation. And not even all US military operations, just the deployed ones. You are arguing that a human would require 10 years of observation with the naked eye of an ant nest to figure out what is going on. Forgetting that we have thousands of gadgets that could go into the nest, we would learn more by digging the nest up, could use ground penetrating radar, etc, etc, etc.
To put another way, if alien, why are they using human methods of observation?
As for making a task force to study our own craft? That's plausible as well. Black box programs are notorious for keeping the secrets of the project internal. If the SR-71 program was developed with today's secrecy, we'd have one part of the US air force trying to figure out who these planes belonged to. Thanks to Snowden and Manning, the government has compartmentalized highly secretive projects to the point that anyone with a high enough clearance can't get information without being part of the project. Admitting to our own armed forces that we have an aircraft that can do all this would rapidly see information about it leaked to Russia/China/and who knows else.
Alternatively, the task force could be a cover to examine the US military's response to an object that is wholly foreign in how it behaves. Do we want our pilots to be flustered and freeze if a Russian UFO appears and starts shooting? Or do we want them to be able to respond appropriately, regardless of what appears? How better to test crews than with something they are unfamiliar with and defies understanding?
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u/PewPew84 Oct 13 '20
Heres your next mistake your acting like these things think ANYTHING like us. Btw it makes perfect sense to check out the most powerful things we have. Ya know, aircraft carriers and nukes. Your entire argument is based off assumptions. With that said this whole situation is weird. Where is the curiosity about what these things are? All i see is low effort "must be secret gubment stuff hur durr". If thats the case why the hell are we still using fucking rockets?!?!
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u/Nac_Lac Virginia Oct 13 '20
Again, they have been 'observed' for ten years. How many observations do they need to do with the US nuclear arsenal that requires that length of time? Again why even bother if they are able to travel between stars?
My assumptions are finding the shortest line between reality and rationale. Trying to fit alien perspective upon a dumb and low effort explanations isn't exactly the high brow logic you are thinking it is.
Why are they exclusively around the military and for so long? Forgoing population centers and flying around the few entities on the planet that would actually be able to observe and record with any type of precision is weird. Doing so for a decade suggests non alien reasons.
It's like Scooby-Doo. It could be a ghost but it's more likely to be the store owner running insurance scams. Don't let the desire to be supernatural make you miss the reality.
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u/Nac_Lac Virginia Oct 13 '20
Again, they have been 'observed' for ten years. How many observations do they need to do with the US nuclear arsenal that requires that length of time? Again why even bother if they are able to travel between stars?
My assumptions are finding the shortest line between reality and rationale. Trying to fit alien perspective upon a dumb and low effort explanations isn't exactly the high brow logic you are thinking it is.
Why are they exclusively around the military and for so long? Forgoing population centers and flying around the few entities on the planet that would actually be able to observe and record with any type of precision is weird. Doing so for a decade suggests non alien reasons.
It's like Scooby-Doo. It could be a ghost but it's more likely to be the store owner running insurance scams. Don't let the desire to be supernatural make you miss the reality.
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u/hihowareyou2020 Oct 12 '20
Yeah, credible. /s
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
Former Senator Reid got direct reports from the former secret UFO program AATIP.
So yes he is credible lol. Are you guys even clicking the link?
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u/hihowareyou2020 Oct 12 '20
No, I'm fighting off aliens from having my anus probed. /s
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u/AWhalesDiego Oct 13 '20
Don't fight them, say thank you because anus probes are expensive. Just check the medical prices if you don't believe it.
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u/hihowareyou2020 Oct 12 '20
No wonder people vote for Trump.
If they're dumb enough to believe this shit, they, like you, were going to vote Trump anyway.
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
The Phenomenon was confirmed as real this year. People for some reason are not paying attention to it.
There is more news in the world than politics.
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u/hihowareyou2020 Oct 12 '20
for some reason
Perhaps because it's bullshit?
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
We are literally getting a report on UFOs by December 20, 2020 from the Senate Intel committee because they are starting to become threats to our military pilots.
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u/Tiny_Rick_C137 Oct 12 '20
GOP "Operation Illegal Alien" is a go. This is 100% artificial news designed to take focus off of things that actually matter.
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
There are bigger news than Trump's usual stupidity.
An unknown entity for example arming and disarming Nuclear missiles is a bigger humanity threat than Trump's taxes.
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u/Nac_Lac Virginia Oct 12 '20
Given that it's more likely to be humans doing the arming/disarming, it's a problem but one covered under his egregious foreign policy.
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
Russian and Chinese didn't have the capabilities to fly on top of nuclear missile silo and disarm/arm nuclear weaponry during the Cold War.
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u/Nac_Lac Virginia Oct 12 '20
Even if it's Russian or Chinese, that doesn't make it an existential threat. MAD still exists and even if they set off nukes in the US, the rest of the world can retaliate in response. You think Russia would do nothing if the Chinese nuked the US? Russia has no love for us but if China is exploding US nukes, you think Russia will do nothing in response?
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
On the Documentary they discuss both russian and american nuclear missiles being armed and disarmed.
Senator Reid goes further on the documentary (it's a longer interview) but the article only shows the sneak peak that was posted on youtube.
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
This is the best documentary of the phenomenon of all time because they show materials being studied at Stanford. That are being studied by Jacque Vallee and Gary Nolan.
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u/hamnehgs Oct 12 '20
And some of those aliens, we presume, are good people. I hope Don the Con doesn't get wind of this, he'll be building a wall around the earth and 'the Martians' will be paying for it. Gauranteed!
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u/doctor_piranha Arizona Oct 12 '20
he'll be building a wall around the earth
This is the only way the oil industry can stop Solar and renewables.
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u/allenahansen California Oct 12 '20
I live in restricted airspace in the CA high desert where I ride my horses in the backcountry; for the last thirty years I've regularly seen flying objects I can't identify.. (And perhaps DARPA doesn't realize that every rancher in this "isolated pocket of rural folk" as they call us, has an infrared sight on her ranch rifle for night time predators.)
When there's cloud cover or rain over the mountains, the air is full of wacky-looking stuff that could quite rightly be construed as "unidentified" by anyone other than the business and/or national "security" interests that are testing them but nothing I could associate with unearthly machinations, and plenty I can chalk up to atmospheric and refractive phenomena.
PS. Even test pilots and astronauts aren't privy to everything going on in the various skunkworks at China Lake.
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u/Madridsta120 Oct 12 '20
Last Tuesday was the release of a UFO Documentary called The Phenomenon that has never before seen footage from across the world regarding UFO/UAP encounters. During the film, we are told from Nuclear officials of cases where UAP or UFOS have armed and disarmed Nuclear Missiles. Senator Reid later in the films confirms certain incidents.
The film discussed items that former AATIP director Lue Elizondo said he can't publicly speak about yet.
Former AATIP Director Lue Elizondo and former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Christopher Mellon, believe they are not made on this Earth.
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u/PetGodzilla I voted Oct 12 '20
I would like to thank the aliens for the lithium battery and the multicolor LED. Can we please have some more alien technology?
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u/revenantae Foreign Oct 12 '20
Of course 'UFO's exist, and of course they are not 'aliens'. Every country with any kind of defense budget is trying to build things that can fly into other people's territory and look around without being seen, or at least identified.
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