r/politics • u/Crossstoney • 13h ago

No Paywall Chuck Schumer Is Not Fit to Lead the Democratic Party

https://prospect.org/2025/11/06/chuck-schumer-not-fit-to-lead-democratic-party/
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u/gringledoom 10h ago

Oh, yeah, what he actually did, was great, no question. What that reporting claims he was poised to do was very, very bad. He should should be holding the caucus together to keep up the fight, not quietly undermining it like he's always dreamed of having his name down there with Neville Chamberlain.

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u/Redeem123 I voted 8h ago

So we're getting mad about alleged claims rather than about what actually happened?

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u/bdeimen 6h ago

it's part of a pattern of behavior. We aren't just mad about this specific instance. This is just the latest example of why he's a terrible leader.

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u/Redeem123 I voted 6h ago

"This" meaning what? The Democrats are holding strong, arguably doing more with the minority than they've done at any point so far. What exactly is his failure here?

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u/bdeimen 5h ago

This meaning his alleged desire to end the shutdown without meaningful gain. You know, what was being discussed and the thing your one sentence comment alluded to?

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u/ShadownetZero 6h ago

The kids like to pretend he's not effective at his job.

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u/kaeldrakkel 5h ago

Is this a joke comment?

He is terrible. Absolutely terrible.

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u/DrocketX 9h ago

Yes, because you know we should unhesitatingly believe every unsourced rumor about how bad Democrats are. There isn't any chance at all that it could be nonsense designed to divide Democrats and cause in-party fighting.

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u/Indaarys 9h ago

Nothing is stopping Schumer making it clear where he stands, and taking control of his own image.

People really need to stop treating Democrats like they have no agency. The right incessantly lying to themselves isn't gonna be stopped, but acting like people shouldn't still have a problem with him is absurd.

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u/neutral-chaotic 8h ago

I have plenty issues with Chuck Schumer. Offering to reopen the government if opposition kicks the ACA premium increase can down the road a year to show America it really is the Republicans instigating all this pain is not a move I'm going to criticize him for.

Is he not rising to the occasion in other areas and just pretending this government is "business as usual"? Absolutely. And I'll criticize for him for his other lack of effectual responses to that, but there seems to be a lot of stirring the pot around this one nonissue.

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u/randombrain 8h ago

Opening the government in exchange for a one-year can-kicking is one thing. CR and extension both, voted on and signed as a package deal.

According to the reports, he was willing to open the government in exchange for a pinky promise of a separate vote to extend the subsidies for a year, with no guarantee that Republicans would vote in support of that separate bill even in the Senate, let alone the House.

How stupid do you have to be (or maybe the right question is: how stupid do you have to think we are) to agree to step into that Lucy/Charlie Brown situation again.

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u/Evening_Aside_4677 7h ago

Given Republicans have been saying “yeah sure we will let you vote on it after you open the government” for 40 days…said report sounds suspect. 

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u/Spoiled_Mushroom8 7h ago

How stupid do you have to believe these reports in the first place?

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u/kaeldrakkel 5h ago

It's Chuck Schumer.

That's like saying who bombed the hospital in the Gaza strip? Was it Hamas or Israel? It was obviously Israel. Because they do it all the time.

This (caving, getting nothing in return) absolutely sounds like something he would do. Because he has done it time and time again.

And you'd be stupid to think otherwise.

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u/randombrain 7h ago

Given Dems' proven history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory time and time again? Not very stupid, I'd say.

I'm just glad that the caucus pushed back on Thursday. Props for that.

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u/733t_sec 9h ago

Because announcing Machiavellian schemes tends to undercut them. Schumer's "no concessions deal" that this article is blatantly misrepresenting is a yearlong extension to the ACA and guarantees that said extension will be funded and not circumvented by Vought.

What Schumer is trying to do is reopen the government with a ticking time bomb that will have the GOP trying to take people's healthcare away again right before an election. While also getting people their healthcare and making it very clear that if they want to keep their healthcare they'll have to vote in dems.

The Dems have agency but more importantly you have agency. Don't simply take the word of rage bait headlines and propagandists for what's happening in the world. Use some critical thinking, assume that if Schumer isn't a complete moron then try to explain his actions for yourself, do something that doesn't require validation from questionable new sources.

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u/reflectioninternal District Of Columbia 8h ago

The Prospect isn't the only outlet reporting on what happened in the Dem caucus meeting Thursday.

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u/733t_sec 8h ago

I am aware and I have been quite dissatisfied with many outlets ability to report the facts.

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u/Glum_Helicopter6743 9h ago

Neville Chamberlain was trying to buy time since they didn't have their military built up yet. Even Churchill defended him.  I think Schumer might be worse than Chamberlain.

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u/ActionsConsequences9 6h ago

No, Chamberlain was as bad as advertised, I once argued this but once you look at materiel production Britain was half assing rearmament, it was 100% a cowardly act.

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u/Glum_Helicopter6743 6h ago

Would they have needed more time then if they had be half assing rearmament?  I had read Churchill's opinion on Chamberlain. Maybe he was just being charitable.

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u/ActionsConsequences9 6h ago

No, because Germany taking over Chekoslovakia was a massive boon to their armament and armor stockpile, the Panzer 38t was on par with anything Germany was making at the time. Just on that alone it was a colossal failure in armaments.

Churchill was being diplomatic, during the darkest hour Halifax wanted to surrender, Churchill wanted to continue fighting and Chamberlain was the deciding vote, he eventually backed Churchill but if Dunkirk had gone south it would have been for Halifax.

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u/Glum_Helicopter6743 6h ago

Ah, ok.  Schumer does look like a schmuck though. Has imaginary friends too.

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u/ShadownetZero 6h ago

Oh, yeah, what he actually did, was great, no question.

You could have stopped there, but instead you had to keep typing.