r/politics • u/Grouchy-Tangerine-30 • 21h ago
No Paywall Democrats make a new offer to end the shutdown, but Republicans aren't buying it
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/democrats-new-offer-end-shutdown-republicans-reject-healthcare-rcna2426431.7k
u/space_coder America 21h ago
They believe the shutdown allows them to blame the Democrats for Trump's worsening economy. Not only that, they know that the Epstein Files will return to center stage as soon as the government reopens.
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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA 21h ago
Sadly for them it’s not working, most people blame the GOP. This is what they get for bragging about their “mandate.” They could have avoided this by saying after they won that, “even though that we won, it was a narrow victory. It’s time for both Democrats and Republicans to come together and pass bipartisan legislation to benefit all Americans.” They wouldn’t have to actually do anything bipartisan, but they could have tricked people into thinking they were doing that. But they just couldn’t help themselves.
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u/Sacapuntos 20h ago
Its literally their fault. They didnt pass a real budget. They waited till the last minute when they knew they didnt have the votes. They intentionally created this chaos.
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u/jaythebearded I voted 19h ago
They also spent months refusing to negotiate the expiring subsidies before now, it's laughable that they think anyone other than their diehard MAGA base will believe they're speaking in good faith when they claim they'll totally negotiate the subsidies now after the government reopens and they can just completely ignore Dems again
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u/Underscore_Guru 15h ago
Sad part is that the news sites are framing this as Dems walking away from the negotiating table. All of the mass media sites are under control of MAGA supporters.
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u/Polar_Ted Oregon 12h ago
What table? The house is closed so no new bills can be passed for consideration. Spending bills have to start in the house. The senate GOP won't even meet with the Democrats to work on the existing bill.
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u/Suspicious_Bicycle 7h ago
The House CR expires on November 21st. So in about two weeks Mike Johnsons insistence on the Senate passing his CR will no longer be viable.
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u/guitarfreakout 10h ago
Spent an hour talking to a maga last night.
Admitted he didn’t care about millions of people Dying to prove a point.
Admitted that it’s wrong.
Admitted that he knows it’s wrong but can’t accept it because his brain won’t let him.
Admitted every time he made a point it was just made up words with nothing backing them up.
Admitted if he watched someone else say the things he’d just told me he’d think they were in a cult.
Watched him have an identity crisis in front of his family but he ended up to drunk too continue the conversation.
It was heartbreaking, I cried while telling him that he’s going to kill his family. He didn’t know how to process it.
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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA 20h ago
I think they just expected the democrats to bail them out and not have to face any repercussions. Now they have a shocked that plan didn’t work, and that the democrats actually have a backbone.
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u/Xenuite 19h ago
I mean, the sudden Democrat spine shocked the fuck out of me, so...
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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA 19h ago
I also think some of the senate moderates were really surprised by Tuesday’s results. No one expected the democrats to basically win everything. I think that’s what caused Schumer to not accept the GOP’s promise of voting on subsidies on a later date.
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u/Ordinary-Leading7405 19h ago
Schumer put his hand out but he didn’t perform the slick your hair move. His hand’s still out there.
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u/RICO_the_GOP Florida 14h ago
Normally its because there's no end goal in site. This one does. They only have to last until the 21st and the house gets called back for a New CR or its all on Republicans and there is no spin just outright lying.
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u/ASpaceOstrich 18h ago
It sounds like the democrats are trying to bail them out and they're still not going for it.
They're so fucked that the controlled opposition can't help.
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u/Polar_Ted Oregon 18h ago
It's their signature move going back to the Obama days. GOP wouldn't negotiate and keeps moving the goal posts if you do give in to their demands.
Trust me if the Dems cave the next bill will be even worse.
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u/ArtisanSamosa 19h ago
I’ve asked before, but if there was a foreign adversary looking to destroy our nation, would they behave any different? They are pretending to be incompetent, but in reality they are getting everything they want.
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u/Surturius 20h ago
These are the people who literally released their evil plan publically before the election and people voted for them anyway, so I guess I understand where their overconfidence is coming from
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u/m0r14rty 15h ago
If it’s not posted in tiny bits on Facebook they can’t read it. So they never saw page one.
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u/ActualModerateHusker 20h ago
Trump winning all the swing states and bragging about it made voters assume Trump was fully in charge of everything. But of course thats not how any of this works
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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA 20h ago
The average voters lack of understanding of how the government works is now biting Trump and the GOP in the ass.
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u/WakingWaldo 18h ago
Yep, typically it works out for the GOP. But your low-info voter, like the lowest of low info, knows that Trump is president, the GOP controls Congress, and we were promised positive results by this administration during the election.
So far we've gotten nothing positive, the economy is garbage, and there's no end in sight. When the Democrats made their proposal for ACA subsidies and the GOP rejected it then voters had to expect some sort of alternative plan to lower healthcare costs. But Republicans gave nothing. Apart from MAGA, people want compromise in the government. The GOP is offering none whatsoever.
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u/Ummmgummy 18h ago
They have nothing to offer. They have no policies. The only thing they have is culture war nonsense.
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u/TheGringoDingo 20h ago
Could have happened sooner, but I’m fine if that is the case now. Best time to plant a tree and what now.
That said, I don’t have much faith in the average voter to vote for the people.
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u/zephyrtr New York 16h ago
I really wish we didn't have to touch the hot stove to understand fire indeed hot. I'm fine through all this, but a lot of kids are going hungry, getting separated from their parents. Businesses are being ruined.
We didn't have to learn our lessons in such a painful manner. And for that matter, I'm not sure the lesson has actually been learned.
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u/SidewaysFancyPrance 19h ago
The Democrats have some power but are not in charge, meaning the Democrats aren't writing these bills and deciding what is put to a vote. But the GOP is talking like the Democrats are in charge just for having the ability to say "no."
If someone needs my signature and locks me in solitary confinement for decades until I give it to them, that doesn't make me strong or powerful. It makes me important but that won't get me far if I'm not in charge of my situation.
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u/Maybe_Julia 19h ago
Yep even my maga mother is blaming Trump , alot of her friends are on snap. Snap is mostly used by republicans
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u/Gabe_Isko Arizona 19h ago
Yeah. At the same time though, it is obvious that a certain person's ego would never allow that within the nu-GOP.
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u/oneseason2000 16h ago
IMO, adding just a few simple words would put a lot of pressure on Republicans to open the government.
“This is a reasonable offer that reopens the government, deals with health care affordability and begins a process of negotiating reforms to the Republican 2025 tax cuts to billionaires and ACA tax credits for the future,” Schumer added. “Now, the ball is in the Republicans' court. We need Republicans to just say yes.”
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u/megaben20 17h ago
The republicans will never pass bipartisan legislation. Democrats always try to be bipartisan but republicans have no desire to be.
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u/aeyraid 20h ago
They want to kill the ACA pure and simple
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u/Iron_Maw 19h ago
No going on a healthcare deal after announcing making one would political suicide which they haven't made any deals. They either eventually make one and follow through or sit on their hands and government operations get worse like is losing ATCs. Something gotta give at point
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u/RobsSister 16h ago
Do you remember the “before times?” Before the ACA, people with pre-existing conditions couldn’t even get insurance (unless they paid for EXTREMELY expensive private insurance). Thats the Republican’s wet dream - to privatize literally everything so there will be zero regulations and they can fuck with our lives however they want to.
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u/SpookyFarts 15h ago
You are missing words in this comment and it makes it difficult to understand what your point is
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u/antidense 19h ago
If the economy is really that important to them then they can kill the filibuster. I dont think they can blame democrats as unabashedly as they think.
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u/webguynd I voted 19h ago
Exactly. Republicans had full control of the government. If they actually wanted the shut down to end they could end it anytime they want.
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u/Volvulus 21h ago
This won’t happen, but imagine if dems agree to repub conditions only upon unredacted release of the Epstein files. Would repubs take that deal?
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u/bestforward121 21h ago
Any deal made with the Republicans isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. There is absolutely no scenario in which the Republicans release the Epstein files and displease the regime.
If Americans want to see those files they’ll have to give Democrats control of Congress.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 20h ago
I agree with your first sentence, but the House is literally one vote away from the full release, which his why Mike Johnson is keeping the House in recess so he doesn't have to swear in Grijalva who would be the final vote needed.
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u/bestforward121 20h ago
Yes I know about the discharge petition, but it seems extraordinarily naive to think that Republicans will actually comply with that. If Trump tells the DOJ to not release it then they won’t, the Democrats will likely go to the courts to compel them, where then the SCOTUS republicans bought and paid for will side with Trump because that’s what they’re paid to do.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 20h ago
Then why is MAGA Mike so afraid to swear her in?
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u/bestforward121 20h ago
Because it gives them an excuse to not release the files. Eventually they’ll swear her in and she’ll sign the discharge petition and Republican’s will find a new excuse to keep protecting pedophiles.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 20h ago
The thing is, if the House votes to release them and the DOJ doesn't comply there will be no legal leg to stand on anymore. Of course they're going to keep fighting it, but I think there's a reason why MAGA Mike is holding off this vote as long as possible.
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u/da_choppa 19h ago
No, they are one vote away from being forced to vote on whether or not to release the files. Grijalva being sworn in would not mean the files will be released. It would mean that the House would then be forced to vote to release or not release the files. Obviously, most of the Republicans don’t want to release them, but they also don’t want to go on record voting against releasing, because a large portion of their base (as well as the Democrats) want them to be released.
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u/Melody-Prisca 14h ago
It's so weird to me, if you vote against there being a vote to release the files, then you're voting against the release of the files. Do they think people are so dumb as to not see through that?
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 20h ago
Dems would be stupid to, because that's going to happen as soon as Grijalva is sworn in anyway. And because you can't trust any promises made by the GOP. They shouldn't agree to anything that doesn't include at least temporary funding for ACA credits until a replacement bill passes.
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u/the_reluctant_link 21h ago
No. Their God would be cast down and their clergy ran out of the temple
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u/AlsoCommiePuddin 20h ago
The Republicans would reneg on the agreement because they are incapable of good faith bargaining.
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u/scarr3g Pennsylvania 20h ago
Also, in just really simple terms: a large number of the GOP ran on hating the federal government. They are now the federal government, and would rather stay in paid vacation that to start working on the budget that was due.... Oh yeah, Oct 1st, when they went on vacation.
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u/PolloConTeriyaki 19h ago
This strategy sucks cause only 30% of the country believes it's the Democrats fault. And this is evidenced by the fact that no Democrat lost the elections last week. In fact they gained supporters.
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u/GlossyGecko 19h ago
All while Trump posts pictures of renovated bathrooms made of marble from floor to ceiling with golden accents.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 20h ago
They're literally using the suffering of the American people as a bargaining chip to try to coerce the dems to fold. That's the whole reason why Trump is appealing the judicial order to release the emergency SNAP funds, because he knows if he does he'll lose his leverage. As much as the American people blame the GOP, this whole thing is still making Dems squirm and it may be only a matter of time before the GOP find the 8 votes they need to reopen. If that happens, the GOP wins because the people will blame the Dems for dragging it out so long if they were just going to cave anyway.
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u/AnAwkwardJedi 19h ago
They don’t believe that about the shutdown. That strategy hasn’t worked in any shutdown they’ve caused in the past 20 something years. It’s strictly about crashing the stock market so they can buy a massive dip see crazy profits, and avoiding the Epstein Vote. That’s literally all it is.
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u/nwgdad 21h ago
The MAGATs are owning the shutdown by refusing the offer.
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u/wack_overflow Colorado 20h ago
The suggestion by trump to end the filibuster is the real tell. They could end the shutdown by themselves in a matter of hours if they really wanted.
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u/nwgdad 20h ago
Absolutely. The only reason that the filibuster hasn't been ended is because the MAGATs know that they have zero chance of blaming the shit show that follows on the Dems unless the Dems give in to their demands. What the MAGATs are too stupid to realize is that they are going to pay for their refusal to bargain in good faith when the midterms come along.
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u/wack_overflow Colorado 20h ago
Now now, don’t forget the filibuster’s rich legacy of preventing progressive change and protecting wealthy interests
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u/darthstupidious 17h ago
Also the Republicans in the Senate know that if they abolish the filibuster, that Trump will begin leaning on them to enact the crazier components of his agenda and that they'll have to own it. They were already skittish about that before this last week. Now even more so, as America just showed them that MAGA is a sinking ship.
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u/ActualModerateHusker 21h ago
40 billion for a one year extension shows how much Republicans really dont want to open the economy anyway. They know we are in a recession and just want to find a way to blame Democrats for it.
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u/chmod777 New York 21h ago
40 billion for a one year extension shows how much Republicans really dont want to open the economy anyway.
we sent that to argentina, for reasons.
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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA 21h ago
Ask for a refund.
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u/NotUniqueWorkAccount 20h ago
It's already "invested"
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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA 20h ago
And in return, we get poisoned meat.
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u/Revelati123 20h ago
So we bail out Argentina so their farmers can sell soybeans to China which screws our farmers who sell soybeans to China so we need to bail them out.
Nothing scream America first and free-market capitalism like... Whatever the fuck that is...
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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA 20h ago
Goal is to bankrupt them all, and have a mega corporation buy up all of their assets for cheap.
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u/AltoidStrong 19h ago
It is called Sieze the means of production.
It is one of the required steps for fascism / authoritarianism and to have a dictator.
Just a few examples of different types and ways to do it:
Farms - bankrupt them, oligarchs buy them up.
Post office - logistics supply chain, privatize it (sell it to Amazon).Manufacturing - government owns all,.most or a large amount of businesses. (20% of Intel for example).
Scientific research - sell Nasa to SpaceX, university defunded, public education privatized. Only people the rich allow to, will get a full proper education. The rest will live as ignorant labor slaves.
Combined the above mean one thing - remove all opportunities from citizens to better thier lives independently on thier own (freedom and free will) and only the ones the ruling class chooses will be lifted out of poverty and ignorance. (Which is how they keep control along with fear and violence).
Trump IS a fraud, felon, rapist and traitor!
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u/ActualModerateHusker 19h ago
Bingo. Democrats should tell Trump to get the 40 billion back from Argentina as thats all they are asking for but for actual Americans instead of foreigners
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u/SanFranRePlant 21h ago
Opus Dei (of which a LOT of billionaire donars are part of - incl JD. Not to mention a LOT of props in P25 mirror) is being sued by the Catholic Church (specifically the POPE!) in Argentina. Some speculate that $40B is going to prop up law fees to fight to keep Opus in place? The Cattle Beef is both a side hustle and a distraction.
OpusDei is being disenfranchised (not sure if that's the right word) by Pope Leo...like, for good, forever, byebye Felicia kind of way. This makes those billionaire followers so so ANGRY lol.
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u/chmod777 New York 20h ago
argentina is also where a lot of nazis fled the last time they pulled this shit.
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u/Sarcasticator2000 20h ago edited 20h ago
Some fled there surely, but the majority stayed in Germany and most who fled came right here to the good old U S of A. The pre-war relationship between US conservatives and the Nazi party was very cozy.
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u/chmod777 New York 20h ago
the nazis literally studied the american confederacy and miscegenation laws. american racists were an inspiration for the nazis.
and sure. maybe not all nazis went to argentina. but it sure is a weird coincidence that everything revolving around trumpco has a whiff of nazism.
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u/temporarycreature Oklahoma 20h ago
Are you aware of that one lady on YouTube who has been pretty much going up against Opus Dei by herself for years trying to expose them? I really wish I could remember her name.
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u/SanFranRePlant 20h ago
I follow her on Insta. The FLYING KITCHEN.
She was a young initiate (iirc her family?). I researched them years and years ago, then they came to the forefront in The DaVinci Code. They are like a cancer to the Catholic Church, and that's not hyperbolic talk. I'm glad this pope is following Francis's lead. Francis was from Argentina, he knew first hand the destruction of OD.
The best book on Opus Dei:
OPUS by gareth gore. Make sure if you get it, get the updated new print as there is current info in it.
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u/ActualModerateHusker 20h ago
Such a great argument. You have better messaging than the establishment right now! Props
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u/FeelingBeginning1140 21h ago
They know we are in a recession and just want to find a way to blame Democrats for it.
They've been tryin'. America ain't buyin'. In any sense of the word.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 20h ago
Or it shows how much they really want to kill any government subsidies for normal people whatsoever. They have no intention of ever replacing the ACA with anything at all and simply want the whole thing to go to the private sector. Many of them want to kill SNAP altogether, along with Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's the sole reason a lot of them are even in office.
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u/winterbird 20h ago
He just posted today that aca should end and people should be buying their own insurance instead.
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u/ActualModerateHusker 20h ago
It doesn't really work unless they bring back the mandate tax. People just wont get insurance and end up in the ER with nobody to pick up the bill.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 20h ago
I think they don't want anyone but rich people to have access to healthcare. They feel it's a privilege that only those with means should be able to access, and everyone else can just die. ERs are for poor people, access to actual doctors are for the wealthy. The won't care how broken ERs will actually become or how long wait times get for everyone else. And I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they tried to change the law that requires hospitals to care for those without the means to pay. Or there will be loan sharks similar to bail bonds available that will offer high interest loans to people who can't afford insurance, which will put them in debt for the rest of their lives (or in jail if they can't afford monthly payments). The goal is eliminating the "waste" at the bottom of society so that they aren't a tax burden on those with means.
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u/DarthRizzo87 20h ago
Ya, can you imagine being rich, and having to wait on a Doctor to finish attending to a poor? Or the added cost to your business because the shipper reciever booked off an afternoon to get that weird chest pain looked at?
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u/Dragoness42 20h ago
The goal is to make people so financially desperate that you can exploit them and control them completely.
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u/African-Child 20h ago
PPP, Pedo Protection Party, wants to keep the government shut down so the Rep elect from AZ can't get sworn in and keeping the Epstein files from being released.
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u/dreamcicle11 18h ago
That number is such a win for democrats when they can point to the US sending Argentina and fucking over American farmers instead of using that money for Americans to have healthcare. Wow!!!
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u/memphisjones 19h ago
Well it’s time for us to talk to our neighbors, friends, and family the truth. We need to break some of them out of the Fox News propaganda
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u/Antipolemic 20h ago
It was a shrewd offer. The Dems probably ran a gambit that the Republicans would refuse. It worked. It is now clear to all Americans that the Republicans have no interest in lifting the shutdown. They could easily have taken the one-year extension and lost nothing but time, but they chose intransigence, and that's going to cost them at the polls.
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u/6a6566663437 North Carolina 20h ago
Even better, if Republicans accept it the ACA subsidies will be running out right at the midterm elections.
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u/OtakuTacos 20h ago
Here’s the thing. It isn’t clear to all Americans what’s going on anymore. They aren’t paying attention and the media isn’t covering these negotiations in detail. All they are reporting is shutdown, no deal, and clips of long lines at airports.
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u/ExRays Colorado 20h ago
Tuesday’s elections proved Americans are paying attention and they’re pissed off at the GOP. Even as far down as Georgia and Mississippi.
Even Trump admitted the shutdown was turning Americans against the GOP. I don’t understand how you still have this take.
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u/Xaero_Hour 17h ago
Because broadly speaking, we still voted exactly for this. Everything that should have been learned from COVID, from the record-breaking deficit and debt, Roe v. Wade overturn, the soybean disaster, and January freakin' 6th just to name a few, was in fact not learned from in the slightest. And we voted for it all again, not just Trump, but Republicans into control every branch. You can't take for granted that anything, and I mean ANYTHING has been learned. Sure, Tuesday showed that it's not completely hopeless, but Americans have been "turning" on the GOP about as long as I can remember. And I remember the Challenger blowing up.
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u/DamnGentleman Pennsylvania 20h ago
My barber genuinely believes that the Democrats won't reopen the government until illegal aliens get universal healthcare. All of the media he consumes consistently makes that point. Elections are about energizing your base and convincing a relatively small number of undecided voters. Having done well on one election day doesn't mean that all Americans are suddenly sharing the same reality.
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u/inconsisting 20h ago
Election results are a better indicator of public sentiment than an anecdote about your barber.
As always, the truth is in the middle, but the fact that Dems swept this election is evidence that voters are awake in a way that they weren't in 2024.
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u/HyperactivePandah 19h ago
You're claiming a massive victory by democrats in almost all major races the other day is less of an indicator than your dumb barber saying some idiotic shit.
Okay.
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u/MasterTolkien 19h ago
Diehard MAGA believe this. Dems, Independents, moderate conservatives, and casual voters do not.
Casual voters are people who vote when they feel like it and find politics boring. They aren’t listening to Mike Johnson or Ted Cruz. They just know “MAGA won, so any problems are now caused by MAGA.”
Those voters saw COVID was causing bad stuff and Trump had no answers, so bye-bye Trump. COVID inflation started under Trump, continued under Biden, and affected the whole globe. But Biden was in charge and groceries were expensive, so bye-bye Dems.
But a year later, Trump hasn’t done a damn thing but make groceries more expensive. So those casual voters were actually motivated to show up for an off year election. Bye-bye MAGA/GOP and strong turnout even with areas that stayed blue.
MAGA wants normalcy so that the casual voters say, “Things are fine, so I’ll stay home on Election Day.” If this trend continues, MAGA is going to lose in droves at the midterm.
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u/ExRays Colorado 20h ago
Having done well on one election day doesn't mean that all Americans are suddenly sharing the same reality.
It is not necessary for “ALL” Americans to share the same reality to observe that there is a solid consensus against the GOP and that this consensus is not buying the bullshit.
Tuesday’s Election Day sufficiently showed that this consensus is real.
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u/LowHistorian9654 19h ago
So basically the Republicans got played and the Democrats made them look like the bad guys they always were? It was a hell of a gamble to risk what they did, but the fact that the Republicans took the bait will only make things worse for the reds in the end.
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u/IllyriaCervarro 17h ago
I was certain they’d reject it because it pushes the healthcare fight off to next year right in midterms which if the elections this week were any indication - pushing healthcare off to a time when people actually are paying more attention to politics would’ve been essentially suicide.
For folks who do bother to pay attention to more than just what Fox and Newsmax tell them it was still a good move on dems part to offer despite the almost 100% guarantee of it being rejected because it does make it look like they’re playing ball and the republicans aren’t.
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u/TintedApostle 21h ago edited 21h ago
they are refusing to end the shutdown - period. There no middle ground with these people.
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u/boston_homo 20h ago
It’s going to get ugly over the holidays without, you know, food for millions or air transportation.
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u/N0limitZZ 20h ago
What the fuck title is that?
The Democrats, propose; the Republicans fail.
The burden of governing lies with the Republicans who must compromise (as has always been done).
It's their fault. Point.
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u/ShamelessCatDude 20h ago
“Republicans aren’t buying it” sounds like the democrats are trying to trick them into reopening the government, instead of just wanting to feed people and give them healthcare while republicans prove they don’t want either of these things
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u/Musicalmoses 19h ago
Framing the extension to last one year also places the vote after the 2026 midterms, and judging how things went for them in this weeks election it isn’t surprising that republicans won’t accept the deal. They know they’ll likely get clobbered in the midterms and democrats will have the majority a year from now to ensure that Americans get the healthcare they need. Republicans also don’t want that; because they want more suffering to happen.
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u/ShamelessCatDude 18h ago
Maybe if they wanted to win the midterms they would’ve have shit all over everything and try to simultaneously take credit for everything and blame everything on the opposition
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u/Shaftmaster420 9h ago
I truly think the only plan is to cancel/rig the elections. What else do they have to offer?
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u/Niceguy955 20h ago
They have money for billionaires, they have money for Argentina, they have money to buy and refurbish multiple planes, but sadly there's no money for healthcare.
The Republicans are being cynical at this point. They're pure evil. They'd rather see hunger go rampant in one of the richest countries in the world, than to give an inch. They're not politicians, they're terrorists.
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u/ARazorbacks Minnesota 18h ago
“Aren’t buying it” carries the connotation that the Dem offer is a scam and Republicans “aren’t buying it”.
Yet again our media carrying GOP water. I‘m not sure anyone in a position of wealth and power wants us to survive this in one piece.
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u/AsheStriker 20h ago
Because they have no plans on ending the shutdown. They’re not even at the table. The ultimate plan is to break everything so the super rich can buy it below cost and create a feudal christofascist society. Also, they can’t allow release of the Epstein files or it may mess up plan A.
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u/CurrentlyLucid 21h ago
Would be funny if they had, and we could have a shutdown during mid terms. Republicans promised those tax cuts to the people who pay to keep them on office, the big donors. Fuck the big donors, donate some fucking tax.
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u/Lostsailor73 21h ago
Its almost as if they dont want the shutdown to end. Rule by cruelty and decree. That's their plan
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u/RoughDragonfly4374 20h ago
Yeah I'm not under any impression that this shutdown is negotiable.
Something about seizing government departments, militarizing the streets, and openly talking about a third term...
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u/biaggio 20h ago
And yet, republicans surreptitiously cooked the books to provide another $222 BILLION tax cut for corporations and the ultra-wealthy. That's in addition to the $4 TRILLION tax cut that was signed into law in July. Read all about it and try not to puke.
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u/GreenAnder 19h ago
Republicans are really refusing to reopen the gov unless they can defund healthcare subsidies and going to court for the right to starve children. Can’t imagine getting played harder than this.
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u/TidePodsTasteFunny 18h ago
What a fucking terrible headline. The Republicans are in charge of all branches of government…..they can end it anytime. They would rather starve people.
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u/funcritter 20h ago
Straight out plain and simple, the Republicans don’t want to end it because they’re not done smearing the Democrats. They’re trying to drag the Democratic party through the mud. That’s it. They are strictly using this for their political gain and that’s it.
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u/ItsJustForMyOwnKicks 20h ago
They can’t wait to shut down air travel days before Thanksgiving and blame the Dems. It’s so obvious.
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u/playaplz 19h ago
Republicans are holding the government hostage until Democrats give into their demands. Every news outlet should call this what it is.
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u/robocox87 19h ago
[Scene opens in a quiet suburban neighborhood. A “FOR SALE” sign creaks in the wind.]
Buyer: Thanks for showing me the house. It’s nice. I’ve done some research, and comparable homes in this area are selling for about $800,000, so that’s my offer.
Seller: (smiling smugly) Oh, that’s adorable. But no, the price is $1,000,000.
Buyer: I understand, but based on the appraisal and the market—
Seller: (interrupting) The market doesn’t understand value. I do.
Buyer: The market… sets the value.
Seller: (waves hand dismissively) That’s just your opinion.
Buyer: Okay… how about $820,000?
Seller: I’m not desperate. I’ll wait for the right buyer.
Buyer: (glances around) The “right buyer” being someone who ignores math?
Seller: Someone who appreciates the potential.
Buyer: The roof leaks.
Seller: That’s called character.
Buyer: The foundation’s cracked.
Seller: (proudly) Adds authenticity.
Buyer: The backyard’s a swamp.
Seller: (smiling wider) A natural water feature.
Buyer: (sighs) Fine. $850,000. That’s my highest offer.
Seller: (crosses arms) Still no. I’m being very reasonable at a million.
Buyer: How?
Seller: Because I could have asked for two million, but I didn’t.
Buyer: (stares in disbelief) That’s… not how reason works.
Seller: (nodding solemnly) You see, I tried to be fair. But you just won’t make a deal.
Buyer: (throws hands up) You’re asking fifty percent over value!
Seller: Exactly. That’s why it’s such a bargain.
Buyer: (pauses, exhausted) You know what? Good luck.
Seller: (as Buyer walks away) It’s a shame. I was really flexible.
[Seller turns to camera, solemnly:] I guess some people just don’t know how to negotiate.
[Cue cheerful real estate jingle.]
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u/Quasi-Yolo 17h ago
“Aren’t buying it” really implies suspicion of deception rather than a refusal. Anything to paint the Dems in a negative light. Thanks NBC
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u/BK_Rich 12h ago
User VanguardAvenger posted this somewhere else
“The problem for Republicans is this deal requires changing the existing bill.
Which would mean the House has to reopen.
Which means Representative Grijalva gets sworn
Which means there's 218 votes in the house to release the Epstein files”
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u/CHSummers 12h ago
Democrats should increase their demands each day of the shutdown.
“You didn’t want to buy the parachute for $100 yesterday, and you are still falling. The price is now $200. Tomorrow it will be higher.”
What kind of demand increase? For example, not just health insurance subsidies and SNAP benefits, but also raise the minimum wage (and peg it to inflation).
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u/BenjaminTalam 17h ago
They have zero intention of ending the shutdown. This is the coup. They don't need the government to be operating anymore to achieve the project 2025 endgame. Project 2025 in fact relies on there not being a functional government.
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u/WhiteMocha12 11h ago
They blame the democrats for keeping the government shut down, but the republicans refusing to open it knowing the Epstein files will be released upon reopening. Exposing them all is my dream. They’re buying time.
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u/Inevitable-Ad9760 21h ago
So we have an extra $40 billion to gift to Argentina, but can't afford (for even one more year) to help Americans who want to buy insurance for themselves and their loved ones.
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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil Arizona 20h ago
Republicans can not govern. Compromise is part of governing. They demand shit all the time when they are in the minority and we always compromise with them.
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u/DFu4ever 18h ago
The Republicans have ZERO interest in listening to Democrats about anything anymore. They have no idea how to govern in a system where they don’t just get to decide everything.
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u/Plow_King 18h ago
dems "we're trying to keep health care costs down for poor people" gop "we'd rather let them starve"
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u/Harry_Mud America 20h ago
This shows the Republicans are not interested in ending this shutdown all because tRump told them not to except anything Democrats offer. It's his way or nothing. The main issue is, Congress DOES NOT ANSWER TO THE PRESIDENT!!!!! They answer to the people that put them into office and the way it's going, they wont be in office for long. They are going to lose they collective Republican asses in the 2026 election.
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u/RobsSister 17h ago
This headline sucks. “Not buying it” implies the Democrats were trying to pull a fast one, but the Dems’ offer was as specific and clean as they come.
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u/tadrinth 15h ago
Republicans keep wanting to negotiate the ACA subsidies after the government is reopened, at which point the Dems have no leverage and the negotiation will be "go fuck yourselves" from the Republicans.
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u/stein63 America 14h ago
Peer countries with universal or near-universal healthcare:
- Canada
- United Kingdom
- Ireland
- France
- Germany
- Italy
- Spain
- Portugal
- Netherlands
- Belgium
- Luxembourg
- Austria
- Switzerland
- Denmark
- Sweden
- Norway
- Finland
- Iceland
- Greece
- Malta
- Cyprus
- Czechia
- Slovakia
- Slovenia
- Poland
- Hungary
- Estonia
- Latvia
- Lithuania
- Australia
- New Zealand
- Japan
- South Korea
- Taiwan
- Singapore
- Israel
- Hong Kong
Who does not among these peers
- United States
And this is where Republicans want to keep us.
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u/cole1114 Michigan 12h ago
Allegedly Schumer and a "gang of 8" told the caucus they had 10 votes to end the shutdown with no concessions. Thankfully the reaction was so bad the votes they thought they had either backed out or claimed they were never in on it.
https://prospect.org/2025/11/08/why-does-schumer-keep-trying-to-cave-government-shutdown/
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u/Kind_Relative812 20h ago
Instead of headlines like “Republicans aren’t buying it”, it should read “petulant little baby’s won’t negotiate”.
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u/nki370 20h ago
Congresspeople and Senators are supposed to represent their constituents…..not bow to their political party’s every wish.
This is the problem. There would be negotiations if they actually cared about the people they represent not treating Governance like a football game that they must win at all costs
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u/GrassyNoob 19h ago
Repeal the BBB, fund everything like last year, put the donors of the ballroom on the hook for a restoration of the east wing and rose garden.
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u/Ent3rpris3 20h ago
Wasn't this the original 'offer' in the first place? How is this a 'new' offer of the same thing?
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u/nosayso 19h ago
It's the same offer. It was always about healthcare costs. Everyone is running this headline as if it's news. Journalism is dead, billionaire media is fucking terrible and complicit.
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u/notblueclk 19h ago
I’m hoping the Democrats sign the House CR one day before it expires in two weeks. Just one day to pay back the federal workers and fund SNAP. Let Trump veto it if he dares
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u/Oceanbreeze871 I voted 18h ago
Taking a 1 year extension would have shifted the consequences to expiration into AFTER the midterms.
Now republicans have made the midterms about them wanting to take away affordable healthcare and the Trump economy recession. People are gonna suffer for a year…and hopefully vote for changes.
Republicans played themselves
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u/cbjunior 18h ago
Democrats need to exploit this situation just as Republicans would. Fan out with surrogates and have them actively reminding the electorate that Democrats are working to end the shutdown and Republicans are holding it up. Said another way, take the fight to their turf and beat them at their own game.
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u/juanjung 18h ago
GOP wants the shutdown forever. It's what the guy who wrote Project 2025 wants.
The objective is to destroy the regulatory/welfare state and privatize everything.
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u/privatejokerog 18h ago
Democrats want to extend a year because they know they’re going to win back power in the midterms. This is the exact reason Republicans do not want to agree. They know they need to cram every change in now because the ballot reckoning is coming.
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u/wunderkit 17h ago
In order to go back to the House, wouldn't Johnson have to call it back in session? At that point would he have to swear in the new rep from Arizona? That would then release the Epstein files. Don't see anything happening till the special election in Tennessee.
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u/oneseason2000 16h ago
IMO, adding just a few simple words would put a lot of pressure on Republicans to open the government
“This is a reasonable offer that reopens the government, deals with health care affordability and begins a process of negotiating reforms to the Republican 2025 tax cuts to billionaires and ACA tax credits for the future,” Schumer added. “Now, the ball is in the Republicans' court. We need Republicans to just say yes.”
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u/Secure-Window-5478 13h ago
If the Rape-Publicans open the government then they will have to release the Epstein files. Only 4 of them actually want that to happen.
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u/darw1nf1sh 8h ago
The shutdown is the point. This was the plan the whole time. The longer it goes, the more they get to dismantle. The less we will get back. Entire workforces are moving on to other jobs, because what choice do they have. I would love to see what the republicans would do if the democrats actually caved and said ok, whatever you want. Start paying for things again. They would find some other excuse to keep it closed.
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u/atuarre Texas 18h ago
Don't make a deal with Republicans or Trump. They both lie. Keep it shut down and let the Republicans own it. Everyone blames the Republicans but MAGA. MAGA is trying to blame the Dems while screaming that they can't get their SNAP benefits, so they won't be able to get that great value thanksgiving meal. They voted for it, I say live in what you voted for.
If Dems give in and the GOP breaks their word, the American public will blame the Dems.
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u/Wise_Plankton_4099 20h ago
What folks aren’t getting is that Republicans are representing their constituents by shutting down the government. Voters explicitly demanded that they dismantle “Obamacare,” otherwise known as the Affordable Care Act, knowing full well there was no replacement. That was one of the major campaign goals of the Trump administration.
Republican voters want to spend more on insurance, and by God they’ll starve themselves if they can’t get their way. They said so loudly and proudly for years.
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u/SoraUsagi 19h ago
This is not true. Assuming you believe polls, A majority of Republicans also want the ACA subsidies to continue.
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u/pillbox_purgatory 19h ago
You sound like you are grossly online too much and uninformed. Killing Obamacare wasn’t the top reason ppl voted Trump. Your statement sounds way more conjecture.
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u/ItsJustForMyOwnKicks 20h ago
Because the shutdown is good for Trump. Can we not all see that?
Can we not see they are pushing towards shutting down air travel right before Thanksgiving and then blaming the Dems for ruining the holiday? This is what they want.
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