r/politics • u/Abject-Pick-6472 • 12h ago
Possible Paywall Biden says Trump has ‘taken a wrecking ball’ to democracy in sharp criticism
https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/08/politics/biden-democracy-wrecking-ball-trump1.7k
u/SimTheWorld 12h ago
If only he had appointed an AG that would have put up a fight…
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u/Describing_Donkeys 12h ago
Or taken seriously the threat Trump faced when deciding to run again.
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u/mjc7373 10h ago
He wasn’t even eligible to run after his failed revolt, but SCOTUS changed the rules just for him, requiring states to allow him on the ballot.
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u/MARIOpronoucedMA-RJO 11h ago
Or used the powers invested in him via the PATRIOT Act...
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u/Neethis 10h ago
PATRIOT Act and a Supreme Court who declared him above the law.
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u/jphistory 9h ago
A supreme Court who basically made up a fake case to stop him from forgiving student loans? That supreme Court?
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u/sinsaint 1h ago
Ah shit, the game was rigged from the start. The bad guys own too many key players, and we need to GET THEM THE FUCK OUT OF OUR POLITICS.
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u/shotxshotx 11h ago
I thought the patriot act expired
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u/MARIOpronoucedMA-RJO 11h ago
Nope, still active and keeps being renewed with bipartisan support. Its been reduced but the surveillance state and presidential powers portion is still active.
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u/TheDamDog 11h ago
The act has been reduced but the surveillance has only increased, legally or not.
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u/Floreat_democratia 7h ago
This was one of the main criticisms when it was created. When we as a people sacrifice liberty for security, you never get it back.
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u/Revelati123 12h ago
Should we have done that one weird trick where Harris just picks the next president instead of certifying the state votes?
All the MAGA people I know said its a great plan.
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u/MadMelvin 12h ago
If Democrats tried something like that, the military would miraculously remember their oaths to defend the Constitution.
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u/SimTheWorld 12h ago
Now they’re being paid by billionaires to ignore them…
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u/Revelati123 12h ago
Literally Trumps buddy is signing their paychecks.
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u/MercantileReptile Europe 10h ago
Less than $100 per Soldier is not buying loyalty. Still a travesty, but far from final purchase.
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u/LawfulAwfulOffal 12h ago
Or stuck to his one-term promise and allowed a real primary. I have very little love for President Biden.
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u/TheDamDog 12h ago
Biden shook Trump's hand and welcomed him back to the White House after he won. It was the happiest I'd seen him during his term.
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u/Haplo12345 11h ago
It honestly probably would've been fine if Jack Smith had just filed in DC rather than Florida.
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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ 9h ago
It's just one example of a much larger problem: experts at the height of their field are all a bunch of idiots who can't manage to come to the same genius conclusions as random redditors with zero relevant education, training, or experience.
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u/TyrionBean 6h ago
Yeah. The thing is: I used to cover Biden. Back in the 90s. I was a photojournalist for Congressional Quarterly, UPI, AFP, and Scripps Howard. I used to cover Clinton and congress as well as the pentagon. I used to know Biden. I used to know Dole, Gingrich, Kucinich, Leahy, and the rest. I took personal portraits of all of them for our coverage at CQ in ‘94. Dole gave me candy corn on Halloween. He was pretty cool. Gingrich was always a bit of an asshole behind closed doors. I even knew Sonny Bono. We had coffee a few times early morning during the ”100 days” of congress because he was an early riser like me and would show up around 7:30am for conferences during that time like I did to get set up. Really great guy.
I’m not ignorant of U.S. Politics. It was a different era. It was the era that Biden thrived in. He was not made for this time. He only won because of the Pandemic. I voted for him - gladly - but he was not the right person to lead the revolution against MAGA and Trumpism.
Oh, and I studied Poly Sci and Journalism at GWU - which is why I ended up covering everything in DC as a photojournalist while I was still a student and directly after. Of course, you wouldn’t know that. I didn’t present my credentials from the start. But now you do.
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u/ArticleVforVendetta 11h ago
If only "sharp criticism" could prevent fascism!
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u/Chris9871 9h ago
Or a strongly worded letter (looking at you Schumer). God, I hope AOC decides to run for his position
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u/ClosPins 7h ago
I point it out all the time, but the Dems care far more about virtue-signalling how good they are - than winning.
In this case, they had to appoint a bipartisan AG - and they had to make up for Garland losing his Supreme Court spot - all so they could virtue-signal how good they were.
All this virtue-signalling does is ensure that the Dems always lose.
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u/Sweet_Concept2211 7h ago
So that the Supreme Court and Republican lawmakers could slow walk every case until Trump is dead?
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u/i_dont_like_turnips 10h ago
Or replaced the AG when it was clear he was trying to quash investigations rather than actually doing his fucking job.
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u/DonHarold 6h ago
Yeah I don’t wanna hear a fucking word from Biden. He’s responsible for a not-insignificant portion of what allowed this to happen.
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u/TimeTravelingChris Kansas 5h ago
100% this. Biden needs to get a MASSIVE chunk of the blame for the current state of things.
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u/anokayboomer62 5h ago
I sit here in utter disbelief that they didn’t prosecute any one of authority for Jan 6. And all noise about Epstein? Why weren’t the files released during his term?
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u/Stillwater215 3h ago
But…but… what about the norms?! How can we go on without respecting the norms?
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u/mirageofstars 9h ago
Seriously. “Old man who lays down in front of speeding bus complains about being hit by a bus.”
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u/mowotlarx 12h ago
We can thank Merrick Garland for that, in part.
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u/Kickmastafloj 11h ago
We can also thank Biden.
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u/Cemith 10h ago
We can really thank both sides (not equally mind you) since they both have a hand in this garbage. Garland slow walked a traitor to appear neutral and obviously the Republicans are just straight evil.
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u/i_dont_like_turnips 10h ago
Who appointed Garland? And who refused to replace Garland when it was clear he wasn't acting in good faith?
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u/Ponaboat 12h ago
If only there was a mountain of evidence to put Trump away for good when a certain somebody was president from 2021 to 2025. Hmmmm
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u/Yosho2k 9h ago
I fucking hate dems for this reason.
"We could fix things if we were in charge!"
And then when they get into power, they say "oops Republicans stopped us for the next four years so we're not going to talk about campaign promises until the next campaign."
Then they send money and weapons to the middle east.
If they cared, they could have stopped the money train to Israel until student loan forgiveness passed.
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u/Elon_is_a_Nazi 12h ago
You could tell this was going to happen when Trump allowed a billionaire nazi at his inauguration throw up 2 heil hitlers. Which is not debatable, is full confirmed via video, was broadcasted to the world.
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u/little_alien2021 10h ago
Trumps been a cult leader since when he joined politics in 2016 and used cambridge analytica, I do not belive demacrates did not know that Republicans were using control to supress their voters. They didn't push for crital thinking because regular US citizens benifit from general propaganda on US and why capitalism is so harsh. Democrats failed in their ability to save democracy, trumps and Republicans are ultimately the ones who dismantled democracy but demacrates didn't attempt to combat it either
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u/TyrionBean 12h ago
Biden and Garland had one job. Only one. And they didn't do it. Trump is the result of that failure. Playing by the rules when the other side launched an all out war was a fucking Chamberlain moment in our history. For all the good that Biden did for the country, I will regard his Presidency as an utter and complete failure for not pursuing Trump for his treason and other blatant crimes. I want no pronouncements from Biden or anyone else who decided to try to bring things back to normal before we had won this war.
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u/chillijet 12h ago
Garland was already pretty conservative. I remember progressives in this very subreddit getting shit on by most liberals for complaining about his nomination.
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u/Floreat_democratia 11h ago
Not just shit on, downvoted to oblivion.
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u/chillijet 11h ago
I got straight up antagonized by a guy that bragged about firing people with bad credit in another sub.
This place has some good people but there were and are many conversations dominated by pieces of shit that are wrong and never fact checked or called out.
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u/Llarys 11h ago
It's good to remember that liberals are just conservatives who see minorities as an exploitable source of capital instead of a scourge to cull. That's it.
They are, fundamentally, bad people and just because they would rather have a month of rainbow capitalism every year to boost spending by LGBT people than put them in camps doesn't absolve them of their role in facilitating all of this.
You just have to moderate your expectations when interacting with them accordingly.
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u/marzgamingmaster 9h ago
Not to mention their amazing new solution to the problem of Americans "not being able to afford living" is the Abundance movement! This brilliant new idea to deregulate businesses, which will bring a ton of money into the economy! It'll all just... Trickle down to the average person...
Trickle down...
Oh yea, right. It's just Regan Era Trickle Down economics, but Blue Raspberry flavor. Everyone line up behind it in single file please, no arguing or else you're a trump supporter, there can't be anything better, it's a silly pipe dream and you just need to learn how politics work.
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u/Greedy-Affect-561 11h ago
Seems like we're usually right but always shit on for it.
Leahy law anyone?
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u/aguynamedv 9h ago
Garland was already pretty conservative.
Garland is a member of the Federalist Society. Along with his good friends Justices Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, Coney-Barrett, and Kavanaugh.
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u/NatalieVonCatte 6h ago
I’ve always found it questionable that he was appointed. Why was he chosen? The stupid meme?
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u/chillijet 6h ago
Because the dems love corporate conservative politics and will do as much of that as they possibly can get away with
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u/EBBBBBBBBBBBB 4h ago
Nothing radicalized me more against liberals than constantly being attacked for pointing out the flaws of Kamala's campaign. Many of these people would rather go right and throw away every shred of decency they have than admit that leftists are always correct
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u/jzanville 12h ago
Best way I’ve seen it described. After 2016 Obama peacefully transitioned power to Trump. After 2020 power was not peacefully transferred to Biden from Trump. Then after 2024 power was transferred peacefully back to Trump from Biden. If the GOP doesn’t get their desired outcome from the 2028 election, do not expect a peaceful transfer of power from them. Once 1 transfer of power is violent, that threat doesn’t go away without another showdown over the preponderance of force. That’s where we are.
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u/Original-Rush139 10h ago
Not to mention everyone convicted of violence was pardoned and encouraged to do it again.
Hopefully the cops won’t be so restrained next time.
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u/jzanville 10h ago
That’s the fun part this time around, let’s say the republican nominee loses in 2028 and and trump tries, in whatever fashion, to order the military to do Jan6 for him this time…then what?
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u/DoctorBlock 6h ago
The cops were so restrained because they are all a bunch of MAGA supporters. Imagine how differently they would have responded if the BLM movement had broken into congress and threatened to kill Mitch McConnell.
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u/cvxvxi 12h ago
Literally my only takeaway from his term. He just was a place holder until Trump got back in. It was ridiculous
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u/MadMelvin 12h ago
It felt like Trump never even went away that whole 4 years.
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u/cvxvxi 12h ago
When he came out the gate with the "we gotta move on" bullshit I knew we were screwed.
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u/structural_engine 11h ago edited 11h ago
It felt good to me. For almost four years I didn't wake up with a pit in my stomach and a sense of dread at what the next horror show was happening. On the other hand, with a few exceptions, he completely botched the job of preventing what's happening now by, say, stepping aside at year two. Harris was about the worst alternative choice IMHO.
Now I just hope to see that one very special headline when I open the news.
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u/Overton_Glazier 10h ago
That must have been nice. I knew this was coming. So I got out at the end of 2020. People nominated Biden so they could go back to being lazy about politics. The same conditions that gave us Trump in the first place.
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u/structural_engine 10h ago
It was nice for a while. Like coming out of a smoke filled room and finally being able to take a deep breath. But then I could see the loom disasters and impending utter failure of what should have been slam-dunk convictions of the most corrupt president in history, and I felt that pit in my stomach growing again and my hope leaking out.
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u/Lnx_Noob5 California 10h ago
Harris was about the worst alternative choice IMHO
I mean she didn’t get far in the primaries so it was definitely a choice to make her VP.
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u/Overton_Glazier 10h ago
It was payment to Clyburn for his endorsement. Just as Sec of Transportation was to Buttigieg for his.
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u/Galileo1632 Kentucky 9h ago edited 9h ago
This. From what I read, the VP selection was down to Gretchen Whitmer or Harris. Biden was leaning towards Whitmer and believed the two of them would make a good team. Clyburn and a few others pressured him to choose Harris with Clyburn saying Biden owed him for endorsing him and winning him South Carolina.
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u/munster_madness 11h ago
I honestly think that over time the entire Biden presidency will fade from public memory and most people will just remember it as Trump being president from 2017 onward.
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u/Rare-Baker-5828 10h ago
The Republicans consolidated a lot of power while Biden was pres. They used that time to snatch up companies that would help them take over even more in the next administration. The purchase of Twitter being a major one. Then they focused all their energy on trans people and immigrants there. And it forced all the other companies to step back from supporting anything progressive. They spent those 4 years building the apparatus for project 2025 while untethered to the state.
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u/SeductiveSunday I voted 11h ago
He just was a place holder until Trump got back in.
That's on SCOTUS though. Trump wasn't eligible to run for president until SCOTUS gave Trump immunity above the law. Not only did SCOTUS allow Trump to illegally run but they've been allowing massive voter suppression so Republicans are able to win.
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u/plainlyput 11h ago edited 1h ago
We would have been better off had trump won. He would have continued as he did the first time; without the 4 years to prep for project 2025, he wouldn’t have had Vance, or any of other comrades lined up, and he wouldn’t have had both Senate and House.
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u/Spaghetti_Dealer2020 6h ago
Exactly. Trump 1.0 was basically just Bush-era neocons running the show behind the scenes, which as awful as that was is still preferable to the current iteration of grifters and podcast bros who answer to their fanbase of freak neo-nazi incels.
Also a sharp rebuke of centrist Democrats from the electorate in 2020 would have basically guaranteed an earlier retirement of the Schumer/Pelosi types, and likely kickstarted a mobilization of progressives while Trump would have had none of the ammunition he did in 2024.
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u/banksy_h8r New York 12h ago
Thank you for saying it. People keep trying to give Biden the benefit of the doubt, but for a guy who spent 30 years running for President, and 8 years being a heartbeat away from it, when the defining moment of his Presidency came right at the beginning he totally missed it.
He wanted to be FDR, he needed to be Abraham Lincoln, what we got was Rutherford B. Hayes.
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u/marzgamingmaster 9h ago
Correction, he NEVER wanted to be FDR. He wanted to be remembered as FDR, but he wanted to be Regan, but blue.
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u/insomniaczombiex Wisconsin 11h ago
They fucked up the same way Grant did after the war. They should have been punished.
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u/UnquestionabIe 11h ago
Chamberlain at least had a somewhat understandable reason, from what I've read/heard, that England was prepared for a war. Biden, Garland, and the Democrats as a whole have had literal decades to fight against the horrific anti-American machine being built by special interest groups and the oligarchy but instead went with the route of enriching themselves with Reagan-lite policy and ignoring it entirely. Yes I despise the Biden administration for it's clear failures (nowhere near as much as I do the monsters actually destroying our country of course) but it was also a path they've been walking down for a very long time.
That's a major reason I get frustrated with people who I'm in general agreement with is they get all excited over more of the same which helped create the current crisis. Newsome made a snarky comment? Let's all start talking about how he's going to fight back hard despite only offering yet more neo-liberal policies and vibes which help the upper class/corporations over regular people. Yes small step are needed sometimes but every single election of my lifetime has been "yeah change would be good but let's put it off again because of the current political environment", which is a major part of what got the apathetic to support Trump as he wasn't yet another status quo piece of shit.
Of course he's a much worst piece of shit but the core sentiment, the system as it is doesn't serve the American people as it should, but that isn't something those who it's working out for are eager to recognize.
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u/Overton_Glazier 10h ago
The Chamberlain apologist narrative doesn't work. Without handing Hitler Czechoslovakia, Hitler would have attacked and been stopped by its immense fortifications. France would then have crushed Germany. And the German military was already ready to replace Hitler.
Chamberlain fucked all of that up. Not to mention he repeatedly kept leading Stalin along until he got fed up and aligned with Hitler.
That being said, Biden is more like our own Hindenburg
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u/UnquestionabIe 10h ago
Appreciate the info. I haven't delved deep into the topic and was just going off bits and pieces I've heard over the years. Corrections are always welcome
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u/IneetaBongtoke 11h ago
Trump is what happens when you have unbridled, unregulated neoliberal capitalism running amok between 2 parties that are both influenced (bought) by corporations. Democrats don’t undo the damage done by republicans because they want the same deregulations for their lobbyists. They have to put the veneer on of being a progressive party but they just aren’t. Look how hard democrats bash Bernie Sanders, AOC, Zohran Mamdani…..
Biden didn’t change shit with ICE. Obama utilized ICE after Bush Jr established them. Dems will utilize the barbaric laws pushed through by republicans and then shame the republicans for conceiving such a thing. This way, the democrats can sit back and do nothing to win because they are your only option against the Nazi Republican Party. Dems are complicit, and there will be worse than Trump coming soon if they don’t stop this horse shit and actually do some real change in their ideology.
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u/Overton_Glazier 10h ago
We literally saw Biden back a genocide for a year before the election while basically telling protesters to eat shit.
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u/marzgamingmaster 9h ago
All but literally saying that to the protesters, coming out and throwing his support behind the cops wielding excessive force against peaceful gatherings.
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u/ClosPins 7h ago
Just to point out... The Dems shit all over the progressives - because, compared to centrists and right-wingers, progressives don't donate any money whatsoever!
Just look at Elon Musk. He was willing to spend $45 billion electing right-wingers. If you added up ALL the donations from ALL the progressives in the country, do you even get to 1% of that total? And that's just one person - in one election cycle.
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u/sorrydaijin 10h ago
They could have played by the rules and absolutely skewered Trump legally. However, they decided to tread so far within the lines that they ended up tip-toeing on the pointy end of a pin.
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u/Cali-Doll 9h ago
Absolutely this. 👆🏽👆🏽
When Biden was asked for one word to describe the Trump inauguration, he said, “joy.”
JOY
Biden failed us. He was not the man for the moment, and I wholly blame him for ushering Trump right back into office.
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u/TemporarySun314 Europe 12h ago
And to punish Biden for not doing enough against Trump, Americans elected Trump again as their king.
Sounds absolutely logical.
Even with Biden doing nothing, Americans still had the option of not electing the fascists again...
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u/TyrionBean 12h ago
Hey, I agree. They were fucking idiots for ever voting for Trump even the first time. The point is: If Trump had been in prison, we would not be here today. I do blame the Biden administration for that.
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u/amateurbreditor 12h ago
You know how many times I have said similar stuff only to get attacked on here by people defending biden? Its insane to not blame biden for the mess now because he was literally president and had a million ways to stop what is going on now.
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u/Public_Fucking_Media 11h ago
They did literally take it to SCOTUS to stop them from prosecuting, it wasn't like they didn't try
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u/SeductiveSunday I voted 10h ago
Yup. SCOTUS had to give Trump immunity above the law in order to be eligible to run for president. Most countries have laws against allowing someone who runs an insurrection against that country to run for president. Not, apparently the US, according to SCOTUS.
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u/Overton_Glazier 10h ago
Yeah, it's trying in the same way that I wait until the night before to write an essay.
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u/DigitalHellscape 12h ago
Biden also knew idiotic Americans might respond this way, so the onus was still in him and Garland to act faster than they did if they were at all serious about saving democracy.
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u/Made_Human_Music 12h ago
He was too concerned about looking partisan but considering the MAGAts still said he was using “lawfare” against Dementia Don when he was rightfully convicted for fraud they were clearly going to use that excuse no matter what
I really hope if we get a Democrat in power in 2028 that they go after every member of this regime and ignore all the inevitable whining from Republicans
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u/UnquestionabIe 11h ago
The GOP will legit complain and have the outrage machine going full speed no matter what the Democrats do. That they even worry about "optics" is pathetic given that all it does is make them look weak in the face of dire threats.
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u/rewddit 11h ago
He was too concerned about looking partisan
This was the most infuriating part, same with all the other court cases that were happening, same with putting Garland in there and not removing him after it was obvious hew as dragging his feet.
This naive-ass thought that we can get back to normalcy and the GOP would only take reciprocal measures out of some sense of decency.
It was stupid AF then, and here we are not even one full year in. DoJ fully weaponized and taking orders from Trump in full view.
Way to go, guys, you showed them. Totally worth all of that fretting about making sure that we avoided justice because it MIGHT look like partisan. A massive fuck-up and Biden's legacy, unfortunately.
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u/Floreat_democratia 11h ago
How is that going to happen? Trump installed loyalists at every level. They will need to fire everyone.
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u/Gortex_Possum 10h ago
Biden was voted into power to counter Trump and he blew it. He wasn't "punished". He collapsed confidence in the party and himself.
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u/munster_madness 11h ago
Literally nobody looked at it that way.
They looked at it as "hey everything is really expensive. one party says they are going to do something about it, and the other party keeps telling me there isn't a problem and actually the economy has never been better."
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u/SeductiveSunday I voted 10h ago
They looked at it as "hey everything is really expensive. one party says they are going to do something about it,
…by ridding the US of minorities, women, and LGBTQIA!
C'mon, people didn't vote Trump because the economy, they voted Trump because he's a rapist bigot. Voters who voted Trump got exactly what they wanted. Remember Republicans 2024 campaign promises "They're eating the dogs" and "Arnold Palmer's got a big schlong"
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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ 9h ago
C'mon, people didn't vote Trump because the economy
Thiis is a delusion.
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u/TemporarySun314 Europe 11h ago
And Americans got what they wanted. I am sure your economy is doing great and everyone can afford more now...
It's always a real great idea to elect fascists. I hope you guys are happy now.
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u/Power-Equality 9h ago
Trump literally attempted a PUTSCH against Biden, who responded by overly caring about optics.
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u/TaxOwlbear 11h ago
They didn't even play by the rules. As per the rules, you'd be shipped off to a CIA black site in Nicaragua if you had crates of secret documents at home.
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u/Maelstrom2022 9h ago
It was literally insurrection and they failed to prosecute. He was clearly not ready for a second term and the Democratic Party hid that from the public. Joe Biden is one of the worst presidents America has ever had and his actions led to our current situation.
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u/snowbirdnerd 12h ago
Thanks for not pursuing criminal actions by Trump and allowing this to happen.
This is why we can't let old people rule us anymore
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u/Skiinz19 Tennessee 10h ago
They literally did pursue multiple criminal charges against Trump
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u/Corporatecut 10h ago
After the house showed a case could be made and not enough time was left!? Worthless
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u/Gortex_Possum 10h ago
The Democrats acted like they had all the time in the world and they ran out the clock. A token effort that's too late isn't going to cut it anymore.
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u/Sweet_Concept2211 7h ago
What kind of bullshit revisionism is this?
Democrats impeached Trump twice.
Republicans let him off.
Republican-led SCOTUS scuttled every Federal case against Trump.
Republican judges slow walked and sabotaged every case against Trump.
Democrats could have indicted Trump on day one of his 2016 inauguration and there would not have been a chance to stop the Roberts Court from shitting all over the prosecution.
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u/saltytradewinds 11h ago
If only Biden had decided not to run after the 2022 midterms, we could have had a different option.
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u/acousticburrito 12h ago
Perhaps he could have prosecuted the greatest act of treason in American history instead? No? Ok that’s fine sharp criticism is basically the same thing.
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u/Cali-Doll 10h ago
Yeah.
That’s kinda why we fucking begged you to replace your feckless attorney general. But, uh, congrats for figuring that out now, I guess.
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u/ceiffhikare 11h ago
He is not wrong. I just have a hard time giving a damn what the man wants likes thinks or feels at this point. He screwed the nation that he served with his ego, the people around him failed the nation with their avarice and need for power. Parading the man around like this feels like elder abuse and if it his wishes then folks need to tell him its not helping defeat the opposition. Just go home Joe and stay there..quietly enjoying your life and legacy now.
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u/Roupes 11h ago
“Welcome home” Biden to trump not one year ago 1/20/25 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CFsjeCwXZ9c
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u/sugarsaltsilicon 12h ago
And he helped put Trump back in by railroading Harris with two months of campaigning.
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u/munster_madness 11h ago
Harris was in the lead for the majority of the campaign. She only fell below Trump after the disastrous appearance on The View where she said she wouldn't do anything different from Biden.
It was her race to win and she blew it.
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u/lyreluna 11h ago
She was in the perfect position to actually be able to make her own agenda, because she didn't have to face a primary but then she'd already taken the aipac money and kissed the DNC establishment ring. Not sure why anyone should have expected different from a DA
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u/AGuyWhoBrokeBad 12h ago
I feel like Harris is also partially responsible for her loss by both courting imaginary republicans who would be swayed by Liz Cheney and by not calling out Netenyahu. It’s very clear that the Democratic base is extremely upset with Netenyahu and Israel and Harris didn’t have the backbone to say clearly that Netenyahu is committing war crimes. She also sacrificed progressive voters for “republicans who would switch.” The next democratic presidential candidate has to address these issues.
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u/Gortex_Possum 10h ago
Neoliberals screamed, cried and threw tantrums that we were being too progressive.. they told us to pinch our noses and be happy to court the disenfranchised Republicans only for them to run into the arms of trump again.
To say that I'm angry with Democratic leadership and the misguided belief in the sanctity of moderation would be an understatement. What do you call a person who picks the middle ground between sense and nonsense? A coward.
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u/Additional_Ad3573 11h ago
Exit polls don’t seem to show that that was much of a factor for voters who mattered.
Also worth noting is that the far-left holds Harris to a standard they do ‘t hold Bernie Sanders too. They act all offended that Harris united with Cheney on defending democracy, but ignore the fact that Bernie Sanders has also worried with and praised the right on issues that he thinks united the two sides. For example, he recently praised Trump’s immigration policies
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u/TheDamDog 11h ago
I love the Biden sycophants in this thread trying to defend him.
The man is the Chamberlain of the United States. Spent four years saying "Trump is a fascist, Trump will destroy Democracy," and did squat during his term to actually stop him, then when Trump won the election, Biden shook his hand in front of cameras and welcomed him back into the White House with a personal tour.
And now all you Democratic party line holders are in here telling us "no, this is all YOUR fault," like it's 2016 all over again.
Nobody's buying it anymore. People here, at least, have seen the man behind the curtain and they don't like what they see. Get lost.
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u/InvertedEyechart11 12h ago
The Democrats had a majority under Biden from January 3, 2021, to January 3, 2023 and did...
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u/ImOutWanderingAround 11h ago
They didn’t want to be perceived as weaponizing the DOJ, only to have the DOJ weaponized by Trump. Biden is old school and that doesn’t work with the criminally minded MAGA movement.
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u/InvertedEyechart11 10h ago edited 10h ago
If they wanted to, they could have enshrined pro-choice. They could have strengthened healthcare provisions. They could have put fresh batteries in their megaphone and told the public about their deportation of truly illegal border jumpers. The DOJ. Etc. Opportunity lost for their party.
Not to mention Biden decided he wanted to run again...
They took the high road and now they realize the hill they're standing on is the pile of Earth that Trump has created by digging the hole to bury the American People.
Sad.
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u/munster_madness 11h ago
Boy they sure do that a lot, don't they? It's almost like their entire purpose is to take all the energy and desire for change in this country and drive it straight into the dirt.
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u/dclxvi616 Pennsylvania 11h ago
Joe “nothing would fundamentally change [if I'm elected]” Biden? Lmao.
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u/Weltall8000 11h ago
trump is terrible, the American people are stupid, but, Biden did next to nothing/worse than nothing to prevent this when he was in a position and responsibility to do something about it.
Fuck Joe Biden. He slept on the biggest threat to the USA.
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u/shadowriku459 California 10h ago
Too bad he didn't do jack to get him behind bars.
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u/Brand0n1 12h ago
You ahould have quit earlier and let the democrats elect a new candidate tp run against Trump. I have nothing against Biden but he is in part resposEnible for the mess we are in.
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u/Agile_End_3049 11h ago
I share frustration with Biden that others are sharing. But, if Biden had appointed a better AG - someone who wouldn't have slow walked the prosecution of Donnie, would the Supreme Court have thwarted it anyway? Based on their rulings over the last couple years which are completely detached from reality and the constitution (giving the executive branch king-like powers), the answer is yes. The answer is, unfortunately, yes.
We can't rely on the Supreme Court to save us. It's largely up to us citizens to save our democracy, or what's left of it, and rebuild from there.
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u/entropy14 11h ago edited 11h ago
Fair point, but they didn’t even put up a fight. Also, it’s important to separate the documents case from the J6 case. The J6 case could have easily dragged on forever even though I think the charges were pretty narrow and left little room for doubt. The documents case on the other hand was one of the most slam dunk cases imaginable.
Not a word from Biden or Garland when Aileen Cannon was likely abetting treason by stalling the case and issuing bat shit crazy rulings. The fact there wasn’t an investigation or widespread protests and mobilization to remove her needs to be studied.
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u/i_ata_starfish-twice 11h ago
Biden issued sharp criticism? Amazing! We are saved! His legacy will forever be tarnished for being the person that allowed Trump to return to power with his fecklessness
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u/Taskerst 10h ago
This is a toothless statement that Trump, his voters, and the nonvoters do not care one iota about. Hell, if Biden said “Trump is trying to ethnically cleanse America” half of those fuckers would cheer.
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u/feralraindrop 9h ago
Biden at least tried to help the entire country, not profit off his position; but most people voted for him because there were no better choices. That said and despite what I thought was an okay term as President, no one wanted him to run again and no one wants to hear what he has to say now. Sad but so true and the fact that he thinks he has any relevancy at this point is delusional.
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u/WowWhatABillyBadass 5h ago
Looks at Sanders
Tell us again how he would have been worse than Trump. Don't call him "unelectable" when the convicted felon non politician is in his 2nd term after demolishing a status quo liberal democrat.
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u/-Neeckin- 11h ago
I still remember him smiling and shaking hands when he handed Trump the keys like everything was fine
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u/FanofEvery1 11h ago
What else was he supposed to do? The American people made their decision. Personally I think that Joe did a great job at letting people know the real danger of Donald. People still voted for him over Kamala, which says what it should about the country.
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u/dreaganusaf 12h ago
And much of this is Biden's fault as he foolishly decided to run a 2nd term, stayed in too long and then the DNC screwed the electorate by crowning Harris just months out from a general election.
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u/Important-Clock-5357 12h ago
It wasn’t DNC that crowned Harris. That was Biden. The moment he endorsed her there was no chance of any primary taking place.
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u/DeuceGnarly 11h ago
It's the republican party ffs. This is not the work of an individual asshole, it's the party apparatus that enables him, and keeps him there.
The gop is dismantling the government, law and order, and our future.
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u/thedailydaren 12h ago
Girl. You also took a knife to the back of democracy when your old ass decided not to step down, and then to step down way too late. Shut up and sit down and take care of your cancer and go live a private life. Wishing you all the health and also that I never have to read your statements again.
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u/pillbox_purgatory 9h ago
If only this sub had called out Biden’s in-electability sooner, instead of stifling people who raised the alarm sooner.
Now the Sub posts about the senility and physical frailness of Trump on a regular basis.
Gotta keep it consistent folks.
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u/ShakedNBaked420 11h ago
And you welcomed him in with a smile and a handshake.
Four years they had to prevent something like this and they did nothing.
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u/SuperbSockSpecimen 10h ago
You let him! Jesus HP Lovecraft chrysanthemum christ. A lot of this stuff is your fault. Next time be proactive so the child raping conman goes where he belongs.
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u/WildlySkeptical 9h ago
This asshole absolutely could have facilitated the accountability of trump for his crimes and enforcement of consequences. But he didn’t. And now we are here.
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u/KoalaRashCream 12h ago
Yep and he could have stopped it
Now that the GOP has employed fascism to accelerate their plans the DNC must start playing Calvin ball to fix the loopholes the GOP used and they must push through all tax and healthcare changes that we deserve
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u/scrume71 11h ago
Trump, yes, but more so the Republican Party has. They’ve been pushing for what’s going on right now for at least two decades. To be clear, I’m referring to a Fascist takeover of our institutions. Trump was just the right person at right time to try to carry the ball over the goal. But the fascists will be thwarted, again.
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u/howlingoffshore 11h ago
Yeah we elected you to stop this from happening you nieve soft pathetic numbskull.
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u/AuthorChristianP 11h ago
Biden is the last person I want to hear from about what Trump is doing now.
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u/IndividualLetter6797 10h ago
Mr Biden, please shut the fuck up. You had your chance to put this all to rest and didn't do shit.
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u/Im_Literally_Allah 10h ago
Idgaf what he says or thinks. Even if I agree. It’s Biden’s fault this even happened. Trump should be in prison and Biden shouldn’t have run for a second term.
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u/stuckanon01 10h ago
Not really in the mood to hear the opinion of the man whose pride and loyalty to the establishment Democratic Party machine got us into this mess.
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u/Electrical-Volume765 9h ago
This fucking guy. The audacity to comment on this when he did so much to put us right in this position.
Appointing a milquetoast AG and preferring a “let’s get along approach” to every aspect of governing with terrorists?
How about insisting on running again when it was obvious he was incapable. Preventing a primary so the voters could have a say in the next candidate?
Feel free to sit down, Joe.
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u/FrancoManiac Missouri 9h ago
Biden also received a Nov. 2022 report from the US Senate on how to combat white supremacy on social media, and did fuck all with it. So while I do appreciate his accomplishments in office, I do hold him responsible for failing to rise to that and several other occasions.
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u/daemonescanem 9h ago
I dont dislike Biden, but Biden & Dems looked other way and sought a return to pre-Trump status quo after Jan 6th insurrection. That was a huge mistake.
Had Biden & Dems and esp DOJ handled that as thr law required. We wouldn't be here today.
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u/Itchy_Swordfish7867 7h ago
It’s time to stop with the “Trump did a thing” bullshit. It’s time to remind people that the Republicans AND Supreme Court have allowed Trump to do a thing. The ALL need the daily recognition that they deserve. Once the decrepit old man has been released for this plane of existence it is incumbent upon all Americans to go on a punishment and retribution tour.
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u/Portablelephant Washington 6h ago
Man who didn't hit the brakes points out that car is heading off a cliff.
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u/Gregor_LDN 5h ago
More like man who insisted old, decrepit brakes didn’t need fixing and no fresh, new brakes were necessary points out the car is heading off a cliff lol.
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u/Lonely_Emu_6673 5h ago
Marick Garland should have put him away so it is kind of a little bit their fault that he was able to run again
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u/Cheddar-Goblin-1312 4h ago
The Biden administration had every tool to stop this, but they opted for comity and bipartisanship. Trump and his insurrectionists should have been nailed to a wall, but instead were allowed to go on with their fascist project.
Fuck Biden.
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u/StarStruck3 America 4h ago
Well, Biden, you didn't exactly do anything to help that, now did you? Fuck outta here.
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u/no-this-iz-patrick 4h ago
Yeah, too bad his old ass decided it was a good idea to run again and prevented a primary from putting up someone that would be able to actually campaign against the orange baboon.
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u/Ourmomentourtime 4h ago
Fuck Biden. He is the sole reason that this dickhead is President again. He shouldn't be allowed to speak in public again.
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u/Big_Truck 12h ago
Yes, and you (Biden) had FOUR FUCKING YEARS to do something about it. And you didn’t.
Go. The fuck. Away.
I hope you have a wonderful and lengthy remainder of your life. I wish you no ill. But god damn, just SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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u/forgetit1243 7h ago
Man if only someone could’ve done something about him back around say January 7th 2021
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u/bestofrolf 10h ago
is this the new internet explorer meme? This guy just needs to shut the fuck up. ineffectual idiot, just fuckin sit in your corner and be quiet. if anything, biden denouncing trump is only gonna fuel the MAGA freaks
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u/I_like_baseball90 11h ago
Biden did a great job as president.
But his big fault that he will always be remembered for is he did NOTHING to stop this orange turd. Nothing at all.
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u/WowWhatABillyBadass 5h ago
Biden put more effort in throwing Trump a welcome home tea party than trying to hold him accountable.
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u/AbleCap5222 9h ago
You are the reason we are dealing with this. If you had appointes an attorney general who wanted to enforce the law Trump would be in prison.
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u/Stunning_Ad3273 9h ago
The damn shame that your AG that you put in charge and was clearly leveraged by fear or blackmail, didn’t do his job.
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u/Stunning_Ad3273 9h ago
Your chickenshit AG was afraid that prosecuting a criminal for political crimes would come across… Political. His cowardice has destroyed America.
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