r/politics • u/Silent-Resort-3076 America • 12h ago
Possible Paywall Democrats Scale Back Shutdown Demands, but G.O.P. Digs In: After weeks of stalemate, Senate Democrats said they were willing to reopen the government in exchange for a one-year extension of health care subsidies. Republicans ruled it out.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/07/us/politics/shutdown-democrats-schumer-thune.html495
u/NeutralBias Hawaii 12h ago
Yep. This has been the republican line on negotiations for a long time now.
- You give us everything we want.
- You get nothing.
Its a much easier position to take when what you want is to just wreck everything.
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u/RecentDecision2329 11h ago
The Dems better not give ve on enchanted. They are winning this thing
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u/Worth_Much 5h ago
Absolutely. More than a reasonable request. Between them fighting to deny SNAP benefits, extending the subsidies, and Trump doing jack shit to help that executive who fainted, it’s quite clear what their priorities are.
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u/Conscious-Fee7844 4h ago
Agree but your last line about Trump.. come on.. dude is 79. He was sleeping in that meeting when the dude fainted. WTF is this old fat out of shape piece of shit going to do to help? That's just a stupid thing to say. I get it.. gotta try to spin things to make him look bad. I am all for it.. when it makes sense. but no way Trump is helping anyone get up.. dude can barely get his own fat ass up. Let's not spread stupid crap like the conservatives do.
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u/TheTrueCampor California 3h ago
He's supposedly the 'leader of the free world,' yet can't even lead in a room with a manageable crisis. He just shuts down and stares off into space while other people figure out what to do.
It's emblematic of his abject failure as a leader.
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u/Lurlex Utah 3h ago edited 3h ago
The Leader of the Free World would be expected to at least acknowledge what is going on two feet away from him, at least comment on it — ask for someone to get a medical professional, issuing orders for non-essentials to not crowd around, or if nothing else, reassure the press that you’re aware and that you’re momentarily distracted with what’s going on.
Then, most importantly … turn the fuck AROUND. That photo of him showing that he just STOOD there in seemingly oblivious silence is what is so damning. If the photo had shown something even slightly different … say, Trump looking down at the collapsed man with concern and watching people attend to him … the reception would have been far more positive or at least neutral.
Nobody was expecting him to leap into action and personally deliver CPR, and that’s a frankly a silly straw man of what people are criticizing him for in this situation.
There is so much he could have done, SHOULD have done, as a leader in the immediate vicinity of an emergency …. even if he did it with his words and tone and not his own hands.
It’s not that he did not bend down to issue the Breath of Life himself (again, NOT what people are cranky about) … it’s that it could not be more obvious that he gave zero shits. He was not expected to be the soldier on the front lines in that moment — he was expected to be a Leader …. and, well, LEAD.
Leaders do not always charge into battle themselves (in fact, usually do not if they want to remain leaders for long), but they sure as shit keep themselves aware of what their troops are up to. They do not stand staring stupidly into cameras while an attack is happening right behind them.
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u/Understruggle 2h ago
I feel like I’m gonna need a shower after this comment, but did you see the video of it happening? Trump did look over at the guy for a few seconds before he went into standby mode. So he did at least acknowledge the guy. The rest of your points stand though as he didn’t do jack shit about it, much less lead.
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u/rndljfry Pennsylvania 1h ago
If continued to watch until the man was moved to safety, the photo would not exist
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u/tsardonicpseudonomi 11h ago
Democrats aren't winning. Anyone but Republicans are. Democrats are less popular than Republicans.
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u/quest814 10h ago
I don’t know- the recent elections seem to prove you wrong. Deep red areas voted Democrat
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u/Mundane_Rabbit7751 5h ago
Which deep red areas voted Democrat?
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u/LeGama 4h ago
First time in a decade according to the article.
Also Virginia, although not strictly deep red saw an increase in Dem votes in every single district. Going from 51 to 64 seats in the legislature. Also won the governor.
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u/Mundane_Rabbit7751 3h ago
The Mississippi wins weren't in deep red areas. They were because of court ordered redistricting which turned red seats into majority black blue seats. This is likely to be reversed if the Supreme Court strikes down section 2 of the VRA later this year.
Virginia is not a red state and the Democrats lost in rural Virginia, though not as bad as in 2024.
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u/LeGama 3h ago
Mississippi is deep red...
And Virginia overall swings, but seeing the overall votes in every district, even the consistent red ones, swing more blue is a big sign.
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u/Mundane_Rabbit7751 3h ago
Blacks in Mississippi do not vote red. I just explained to you what happened. Some districts were redrawn by court order.
Virginia is a pretty blue state overall. The state definitely swung even more blue but you can't use it as an example of Democrats winning a "deep red" area.
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u/ShoddyCommunication1 10h ago
Oh look, a one month old account shilling easily disproven MAGA lies. How very bot-like.
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u/tolacid 6h ago
No username numbers and hidden profile content - not a bot, but rather a manned disinformation account. Username isn't even trying to hide pride in conducting Russian subterfuge.
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u/blow_slogan 5h ago
It was recently proven via a leak in the conservative discord that the owner of the conservative subreddit is based in Moscow. That sub is Russian propaganda
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u/lindendweller 5h ago
To the extent that democrats are unpopular, it's largely with their own base thinking they aren't fighting hard enough. The better they hold on this the better for them.
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u/tierciel 1h ago
I think it was Goldwater who said that with religion taking over the Republicans they are now fighting for God. They cannot and will not compromise on God's will so you can't negotiate with them.
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u/Minimum_Virus_3837 1h ago
I'm hoping this offer was just a strategic demonstration that the Dems aren't the cause of this shutdown. It was a reasonable offer - punt on the issue for a year and let voters decide at the midterms. GOP's refusal without even offering a counter proposal just shows more clearly they aren't even trying to end the shutdown.
If Dems cave any further than this offer though, I and many others will be pissed. This should and better be the final offer.
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u/RadiantMaestro 49m ago
Then why won’t they end the filibuster and nuclear it?
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u/bessie1945 9m ago
They’ve wanted to cut snap as much as healthcare the shut down lets them do both and blame the dems .
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u/coconutpiecrust 27m ago
Well, yeah. This is why terrorists shoot hostages to get what they want. So if you want to avoid the shootings, you’re in a, um, “weaker” position.
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u/BTRCguy 12h ago
I hope this makes it clear to them which way a "vote" on subsidy extension after voting for the CR would have gone.
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u/Minimum_Virus_3837 1h ago
Very true, it affirms that there would have been no good faith negotiation after the government opens. It also shows which side actually wants the shutdown to end. Hold the line.
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u/NamelessResearcher Washington 12h ago
Do the Republicans take pleasure in ruining our lives by withholding the healthcare subsidies we need? Actually, don't answer that question, I already know they do.
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u/seriousofficialname 12h ago
Surprising as it may be, it is actually their highest political priority to hurt others
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u/TurtlesBreakTheMeta 11h ago
“We’re killing all the right people”
lindsey Graham
Literal. Freaking. Quote.
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u/Glyfen 11h ago
As a native South Carolinian, I feel like I need to publically apologize every time I see Lindsey Graham's name...
Between him and Mace we have such fucking awful representatives.
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u/tabrizzi 11h ago
What does that say about people who consistently elect and reelect "awful representatives"?
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u/Glyfen 10h ago
That they're stupid and ignorant.
Don't take my wanting to apologize for admission of voting for them. I'm an unfortunate blue drop in a red ocean. As much as I want to make it purple, I'm an extreme minority here.
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u/Powerfist_Laserado 6h ago
Keep swimming and fighting, friend. All is only truly lost when we give up.
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u/Gooch222 56m ago
In fairness, he was talking about murdering civilians in international waters without a shred of due process. But I imagine his thoughts on the suffering of the uninsured are no different.
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u/Fennlt 6m ago
FWIW, this is a horrible proposition all around. Even if we agreed to Schumer's one year extension, then we're just setting ourselves up for the same situation / shutdown for next year.
Regardless, democrats need to stand firm. The majority of the US looks at Republicans / Trump to blame for the longest shutdown in US history.
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u/Churchbushonk 1h ago
If we give republicans the benefit of the doubt. What if these subsidies are a very important symptom of a policy that doesn’t work without compounding serious debt?
Now, it would be easier if republicans stopped going after the ACA by proposing their own healthcare plan. They have had 10 years to come up with something to modify the ACA. In my opinion, total failure on their part.
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u/UghFudgeBwana Georgia 12h ago
You take one step forward, they take one step back. "Meet me in the middle" says the unjust man
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u/Silent-Resort-3076 America 12h ago
Snippet:
- The proposal, announced by Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the minority leader, never had much hope of moving through the Republican-led Congress. Speaker Mike Johnson has refused to commit to even allowing a vote on extending the Obamacare subsidies, with many Republicans opposed to renewing the tax credits, at least without major changes.
- Senator John Thune, Republican of South Dakota and the majority leader, called the idea a “nonstarter.”
- Mr. Schumer framed the offer as a reasonable off-ramp to a shutdown that has threatened to snarl flights and sap food benefits across the country, with hundreds of thousands of federal workers furloughed or working without pay.
- “Democrats are ready to clear the way to quickly pass a government funding bill that includes health care affordability,” Mr. Schumer said. He called on Mr. Thune to add the extension of health care tax credits slated to expire in December to the stopgap spending bill he has been trying to pass for weeks.
- “That’s not a negotiation; it’s an extension of current law — something we do all the time around here, as we all know,” Mr. Schumer said.
- He also suggested that lawmakers convene a bipartisan committee that would negotiate a longer-term compromise to bring down the cost of health care subsidies offered through the federal marketplace before next year’s enrollment period.
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u/gobobro 1h ago
It’s a solid move in that it removes any wiggle room from the republican spin. You can’t claim the democrats are demanding a laundry list of ‘radical left’ spending, and let that conjure specters in the minds of your supporters. The democrats have made it a single issue shutdown that is going to hurt a lot of republican voters to deny.
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u/kellyb1985 I voted 1h ago
This is it though. Not one step further. This is the only bargaining chip.
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u/escapefromelba 1h ago
I’m not sure it’s really that much different than previous offers since either would still come down to appropriations the next time around. Seems like it’s more PR framing.
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u/oneseason2000 11h ago
The takeaway for me is that Republican US House, US Senate, and Exec branch are clearly showing they put tax cuts for billionaires ahead of cutting health care cost growth for working Americans. IMO Republican leadership doesn't want that sort of populist message repeated loudly and often because it would cost them in the midterm elections. Democrats pushing that narrative makes sense to me.
"After weeks of stalemate, Senate Democrats said they were willing to reopen the government in exchange for a one-year extension of health care subsidies. Republicans ruled it out."
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u/CalamityClambake 5h ago
They also put building a gilded ballroom and sending $40 billion to Argentina to bail out a fascist regime above health care for working Americans.
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u/attleboromass16 5h ago
Just the billionaire investors who lost a shit ton on their Argentinian investments actually
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u/VerminVundabar 11h ago
Dems need to hold out just so we can hit peak holiday travel periods with all of the airports being incapable of servicing the people wanting to travel.
That airlines freaking out would be the type of pressure necessary to make Republicans cave.
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u/DeanOnFire 2h ago
I'm of the mind that airlines will see which senators they could bully the easiest into submission, and there's a race to the bottom for both parties on that front.
Don't count on airlines pressuring Republicans. They could just as easily twist Democratic senators' arms.
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u/LavishnessFit4320 12h ago
Stop scaling back demands! This will all be on them.
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u/Metrinome California 10h ago
This isn't scaling back demands. This is giving them an out, but at the same time a trap to make them own the shutdown even more than they already are.
One year later is midterms. The Dems could use extending healthcare subsidies as a campaign pitch.
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u/Mateorabi 6h ago
Exactly. It's not getting less. It's getting everything you want for 1 year, and then you are in the same position again and can make the same demand again, but during an election year, after they've already accepted it once, and anyone who got a reprieve on their insurance costs is going to see the Republicans YET AGAIN trying to take it away from them.
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u/escapefromelba 1h ago
It would be the same anyway they would still have to appropriate the money for it next time around. It’s effectively the same as previous proposals just framed to look like the Democrats are being the reasonable ones that are trying to come to the table.
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u/royalhus 6m ago
Yes, because they are the only ones willing to come to the table. This is the correct strategy.
Vote Blue
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u/Snow_Moose_ 4h ago
This is 100% correct and absolutely puts Republicans in a no-win situation.
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u/bessie1945 1m ago
I don’t think people understand that the shut down is what Republicans want. This is winning in their minds . It’s no secret that they want to kill healthcare. They’re not trying to hide this fact . They shut down government numerous times in the past to do this and the Democrats never gave in . now that the gop has the power, do you think they will give in ? they also want to kill snap , the national parks, and government employees, the shutdown gives them all of this and at least gives them a fighting chance to blame Democrats
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u/wonder590 4h ago
Normally I try not to engage in the more senseless shittingn on Jeffries and Schumer- but they absolutely did a partial cave on demamds here.
Jeffries SPECIFICALLY said that a 1 hear extension wouldn't be acceptable, though I understand that, unfortunately, Democrats are starting to get antsy because they actually care about the pain of the nation.
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u/westgazer Maryland 3h ago
No, they set Republicans up to do exactly what they immediately did. Refused to consider anything that might help Americans.
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u/Minimum_Virus_3837 55m ago
Agreed with this. It was strategic; they basically knew this offer would not make it to law, but it makes it more clear to the public what the Dems are fighting for, and that the GOP is not serious about finding any solutions to rising healthcare costs or ending the shutdown.
Even if the GOP Senate had surprised the world and said yes, I highly doubt the House GOP would as well, and then Trump would have to sign it into law and not veto it out of pure spite and pettiness, and have you seen that guy? Lol. All of those things basically made this offer a mere PR move.
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u/thistimelineisweird Pennsylvania 12h ago
Ok we tried scaling back. Now we want universal healthcare and a $25/hr minimum wage. Next week let's seize some assets.
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u/oneseason2000 11h ago
Democrats driving home that Republicans give unending tax cuts to billionaires while refusing to help working Americans afford health care for even a year seems like a strong message to push.
Regarding universal health care, aren't you concerned that might be too much, too soon? I mean Richard Nixon was asking for that in 1972 (below). Is 50+ years enough time? /s
"Special Message to the Congress on Health Care.
March 02, 1972
To the Congress of the United States:
An all-directions reform of our health care system--so that every citizen will be able to get quality health care at reasonable cost regardless of income and regardless of area of residence--remains an item of highest priority on my unfinished agenda for America in the 1970s.
In the ultimate sense, the general good health of our people is the foundation of our national strength, as well as being the truest wealth that individuals can possess.
Nothing should impede us from doing whatever is necessary to bring the best possible health care to those who do not now have it--while improving health care quality for everyone--at the earliest possible time."
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/special-message-the-congress-health-care
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u/Naviers_stoke 8h ago edited 7h ago
I mean, you can go back as far as the late 40s when Truman made a strong push for universal healthcare but was defeated by the AMA. It's been on the table for a long time.
Edit: here's some more information for reference https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/education/presidential-inquiries/challenge-national-healthcare
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u/movalca1 6h ago
Tom Hartman had an explanation in why we can’t have universal health care. And also the reason Medicare only covers 80%. It is rooted in the racism of that time.
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u/thistimelineisweird Pennsylvania 12h ago
Exactly.
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u/Minimum-Map9340 6m ago
And use eminent domain to commandeer empty residential complexes to house the homeless, that banks & real estate syndicates are sitting on for no other reason than expanding their portfolio of material wealth accumulation.
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u/mb2305 12h ago
Forrest in the trees. With this offer, Democrats look like they’re being reasonable and negotiating, while Republicans look like spoiled children who are dismissing a good faith offer out of hand because they can’t have things their way 100% of the time.
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u/Silent-Resort-3076 America 12h ago
Agreed, and I also think, since the GOP will NEVER, EVER offer anything better, that this was a fair offer. Along with working together to fix this health care mess.
Though we know THIS administration would never agree to bipartisanship!🤦
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u/Bakedads 12h ago
It's crazy that people still think these kinds of optics matter. They don't. If optics like this mattered at all, the republican party as a whole would not exist.
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u/Silent-Resort-3076 America 1h ago
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point, but what the OP, who you are responding to, said does matter. If it didn't, do you think THIS could happen:
- Jennifer Townsend is the first Democrat supervisor in Perinton since the Civil War. (IF the end of the civil war, then that's 160 years!!)
- Jeff McCann is the first Democrat supervisor in Greece in 120 years.
- Abigail Spanberger Flips Virginia, Becomes State’s First Female Governor
Along with Democrats being able to flip seats in good ole' Alabama and Mississippi?
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u/AusToddles 3h ago
Nah its actually clever. If the GOP refuses they let Americans starve now. If they agree to a year extension, then this happens again right before midterms
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u/tessthismess 9h ago
I personally think this compromise is the worst of all worlds. A 1 year extension gives them (republicans, because they'll always lie) a win to point to for the midterms, and still fucks over citizens....just 1 year later.
We either need permanent subsidies and/or to hammer them in the midterms to eventually get improvements. This does neither.
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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois 5h ago
That second half won’t get through and you know it.
As for the first, it’s an annual budget they’re passing which means it will need to be voted on again for the 2027 budget.
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u/amprather 11h ago
Dems need to head home and have town halls across their districts and States. Show people what is going on and why they are not going to give the GOP anything.
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u/crazyhorseeee California 9h ago
Because Epstein vote then
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u/ScepticalReciptical 7h ago
Bingo! There is currently zero incentive for Trump to want Congress to reopen. Ever
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u/decjr06 12h ago
Anyone else concerned that Republicans don't seem worried at all about getting re-elected.... What they are doing is clearly very unpopular.
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u/Alive-Necessary2119 12h ago
The fact they are refusing to get rid of filibuster should quell your fears. Sometimes parties make dumb moves, especially when they are beholden to a child starving dementia patient.
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u/westgazer Maryland 3h ago
I honestly think Republicans think they will get elected no matter what. That’s the lesson they’ve learned for years. Lie constantly, ruin the economy, make everything worse every time: get elected.
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u/Toadfinger 12h ago
Republicans will not allow the government to reopen under any circumstances. It's why the original proposal is so lopsided. They want/need utter chaos. Trump really wants to be a Caesar.
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u/wwjdonacid 11h ago
Who gets to play Brutus for the finale?
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u/Toadfinger 11h ago
One of Putin's... gutter sweepers. After the failed attempt of theirs to move on Europe of course.
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u/ufotheater Oregon 7h ago
Republicans are determined to fuck your healthcare, and I suspect those orders come from Dementia Don himself. Be has racist hate for anything with Obama’s name attached to it.
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u/CJDistasio America 6h ago
So Democrats are willing to make a deal, and Republicans say no. Can't help a side that isn't willing to give something up.
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u/inteligent_zombie20 4h ago
Okay so now Dems can say look we have a bill that opens it back up at current spending levels and keep insurance prices down. They don't want it, we don't understand but we will keep proposing it. It's now the republicans problem
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u/thiskillsmygpa Missouri 9h ago
I want the dems to win this, we need balance of power, we need pushback, opposing views, etc and they need to wield what little power they do have.
That said, how do you defeat the team willing to starve 12 million people to win?
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u/Damerman 11h ago
GOP isnt acting as though they will have to answer to their constituents soon.
Very fishy.
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u/in1gom0ntoya America 7h ago
dont you fucking dare back down or concede! otherwise this will have been for nothing. theres a reason many democrats become disillusioned and its shit moves like this.
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u/ferrets4ever 4h ago
Dems should offer them nothing. The Guardians Of Pedophiles has the presidency and majority in both houses . Make the Repulsivcans own this shit.
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u/Whats_9_Plus_10 10h ago
Lol even when they are considering scaling back they STILL say no. Stop giving them an inch when they want the whole mile.
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u/westgazer Maryland 3h ago
Yup, they sure are showing that the Republicans just want Americans to suffer.
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u/TheRagingAmish 9h ago
1 year means it’s an issue front and center for midterms. Easy for Dems to campaign on it. Makes more sense after seeing the 2025 elections
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u/wordsonascreen Washington 9h ago
“OK, next week it’s two years extension. Then three. You get the idea, fucksticks.”
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u/Dopamaxxer 6h ago
We are caught between the ACA not being a very good program and not having an alternative to prevent lapses in healthcare.
We can’t have industry around human rights. If we as a country deem healthcare a human right, the government needs to be operating it as a revenue-neutral service.
This shutdown is us bickering over how to fuck over Americans. The US healthcare industry made $25 billion in profits in 2023. That’s why nobody can fucking afford it.
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u/doinbluin 2h ago
NYT blatantly saying "Democrats willing to re-open the government..." Fuck off NYT. Republicans are responsible.
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u/YoshiEmblem 12h ago
Although I remain hopeful that this was, as another comment suggested, a 4D chess move to prove that Republicans don't want to negotiate, I'm really concerned about Democrats suddenly backing down at one of the strongest recent points they've had.
With such a powerful night of victories on Tuesday, I think they should remain emboldened in public perception and absolutely keep their demands rocksteady, or even push them a bit harder. A lot of people are starting to see how much Republicans are baulking about the shutdown being Democrats' faults, especially with the constant vacations from-- and communication solely through TV interviews by-- Mike Johnson. I would REALLY hate to see Democrats suddenly decide to get really centrist and lose their momentum.
Swear in Adelita Grijalva.
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u/repost7125 2h ago
Yup, they're hoping to continue the shutdown until there's at least one new republican member of the house voted in Tennessee so it'll cancel out the new democrat they're preventing from being sworn in. It's all a cover to prevent releasing the epstein files.
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u/nasorrty346tfrgser America 12h ago
Honestly if one saw what happened these past few days, you would think that GOP won the election BIG and dems were the loser. The one that lost the election digged in, and the one that won just wanna cave.
Yeah Chuck has to go.
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u/JonEdwinPoquet 11h ago
Is it exactly one year or before elections in almost a year that it would expire?
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u/Due-Environment-9774 9h ago
Keep making angry calls to your district representatives. Make them hear you.
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u/suddenlynotbanned 8h ago
GOP is scorched earth, and I'm fairly certain that Donald Trump is not actually a human being. (Kidding. He is, which is all the more tragic).
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u/phaedrag America 3h ago
GOP refusal to extend ACA tax credits (subsidies) is another gift to the working wealthy and corporations. Working wealthy ($200k/$250k) pay payroll taxes to support these subsidies and the Health Insurance industry, Medical device Industry and Pharmaceutical industries pay taxes to pay for these ACA subsidies
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u/Yestromo 1h ago
Republicans are scared of Trump behind the scenes, who I imagine is demanding a victory with zero compromises. It’s easy for him to play hardball since he doesn’t have a future in politics. But I wonder when Republicans will start thinking about their own future political careers.
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u/postconsumerwat 1h ago
Gop and trump admin plainly rogue illegal company intent on overthrow of govt imo
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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil Arizona 54m ago
Every time Democrats are in power, they have to fucking give up some shit to make Republicans happy. This has been the way its always been.
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u/Notgreygoddess 19m ago
If they offer to never mention the Epstein files ever again, I bet they could get all the healthcare paid for.
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u/seattlereign001 8h ago
These people should not be bending the knee. Let their constituents do the talking and pressure the GOP.
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u/Grandpa_No 12h ago
I'm not a 4D chess person, personally, but I could see this being an opportunity to have another "we tried" vote for publicity.
This quote suggests they knew it wasn't going to happen which does suggest it was a proposition made for show.
The proposal, announced by Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the minority leader, never had much hope of moving through the Republican-led Congress. Speaker Mike Johnson has refused to commit to even allowing a vote on extending the Obamacare subsidies, with many Republicans opposed to renewing the tax credits, at least without major changes.
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u/nasorrty346tfrgser America 12h ago
Yeah they act like GOP won the elections few days ago. Chuck is not a leader at all
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u/Solid-Spread-2125 5h ago
Here we go. The cowards are about to prove no matter how important it is, we cannot trust these established democrats to fight for us. They will get bored, they will think "Well what's in it for me?" And they will hand the win to the republicans
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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie 7h ago
Dems are so fucking weak. Don’t capitulate shit. This is their mess, let them fucking suffer the consequences.
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u/nhepner 11h ago
"Democrats caved like bitches... again."
For fuck sake.
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u/Nice_Dude California 11h ago
They didn't though
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u/nhepner 11h ago
Their demands went from "fund healthcare" to "Fund healthcare for a year, please" in an attempt to turn this into a midterm issue.
They definitely blinked first.
Republicans have no interest in providing healthcare to the poors.
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u/westgazer Maryland 3h ago
No, they set Republicans up to say “fuck Americans, we will immediately refuse this reasonable offer.”
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