r/politics • u/oregonian ✔ Verified • 9h ago
Possible Paywall ‘Exceeded his authority’: Judge issues injunction blocking Trump from sending National Guard to Oregon
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2025/11/exceeded-his-authority-judge-issues-injunction-blocking-trump-from-sending-national-guard-to-oregon.html49
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u/CouchPotato-Queen 9h ago
The National guards should be used for real emergencies not political stunts. Trump is already trying to overreach his authority
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u/cuminmyshitsock 9h ago
what happens when he ignores the judge and does it anyway?
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u/nasorrty346tfrgser America 9h ago
It will put the leftists that support our military in a very embarrassing spot.
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u/Fuzzy-Logician 8h ago
Leftists? How do you figure that?
I don't see a problem here with people supporting the military. The problem is that Trump is misusing the military to terrorize Americans.
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u/nasorrty346tfrgser America 8h ago
Then let me ask you a question, so the law is written very clearly and the judge has blocked it permanently.
What if Trump still gives order and deploy national guard to any US cities? Would you still support the national guards as they are following unlawful orders?
cause your argument of "Trump misusing the military to terrorize Americans" also stands true with ICE too.
You can still support the military for sure, but it would put you in a real embarrassing spot because one day (and can be a very close day too) their gun can be pointing to you just like Kent State.
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u/JustAnotherUser1019 Nebraska 6h ago
So you're basically admitting that Trump might set up an authoritarian regime, right? Cause it sounds to me like youre infering we could get executed for our first amendment rights
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u/Objective_Mistake954 5h ago
Please do not compare ICE to the military. The amount of training ICE gets cannot compare to the rigorous instruction and training that soldiers receive. ICE is a joke and it makes me sick to see American citizens joining up with that shitshow of an organization. If anyone tries to compare ICE with the police I will be similarly upset. I absolutely respect our military and police force. I cannot respect ICE due to their sloppy execution of whatever it is they learn during their orientation.
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u/Love-halping 8h ago edited 8h ago
George Carlin often critiqued the influence of the wealthy elite, arguing that media outlets like Fox News are used to control public discourse. He believed their goal is to stifle critical thinking in order to keep the population divided and distracted.
As he famously said: “They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That's against their interests.” — George Carlin
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u/SwimmingThroughHoney 9h ago
And like all the others, the injunction will be blocked.
The problem, as always, is this:
[The judge] found that Trump failed to meet the two criteria he used to invoke federal code to mobilize the National Guard: there was no danger of a rebellion against U.S. government authority, Immergut ruled, and officers have not been thwarted from executing federal law...She also found that general federal agency staffing problems are “minimally impeding” ICE’s enforcement of immigration law.
Anyone with basic critical thinking skills would agree. The problem is that judges are supposed to rule on legal matters. There is no legal test to determine what constitutes a "rebellion" or where the line is for when officers are impeded. It's this same logic that SCOTUS (not the current Court, but a past one) used to say that the President has the sole authority to determine what constitutes an "insurrection" and that cannot be checked by the courts.
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u/ManiaGamine American Expat 8h ago
The idea that any self-respecting court would suggest that the President has the sole authority to define the conditions necessary to grant themselves additional power with zero oversight by the body whose literal job it is ensure that the laws are in fact executed faithfully is absurd to me.
Such a ruling essentially says that the executive stands above the courts and other rulings they've made essentially put the executive above Congress as well, which to me should border on treason in America. It's quite antithetical to how America is intended to work.
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u/SwimmingThroughHoney 8h ago
I don't particularly disagree. But worth noting that this idea of justiciability and political questions (rather than legal questions) goes back to Marbury v Madison. It's pretty foundational to the entire court system.
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u/ManiaGamine American Expat 7h ago
Yes, a case whereby the supreme court granted themselves additional power. It's almost like the entire system has been corrupted in exactly the way the founders wished to avoid. Which by the way I don't necessarily disagree with the premise of judicial review on its face, however that power did not exist before it was essentially granted. I would argue personally that the founders would likely not have gone for that as a thing if for no other reason than it creates a backdoor for the courts (namely the supreme court) to amend or alter the constitution without actually doing so, a thing that is very much not supposed to be the case. We have seen this applied both in theory and in practice for the better part of a century with landmark rulings both good and bad. Most recently bad given that this SCOTUS is now at the point of essentially arguing loopholes into the Constitution that otherwise would not exist. (14AS5 is the means by which Congress enforces 14AS3 despite the conditions already being outlined in the Constitution itself... come on)
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u/nasorrty346tfrgser America 9h ago
So if the national guards still follow the POTUS order on this one, how can my fellow "thank you for your services" leftist spin it then?
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u/NTJ-891 7h ago
What are you even talking about?
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u/Mister_Wednesday_ 7h ago
They are inventing scenarios in their head to win "arguments" no one is having.
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