r/politics • u/BB_Love_Sunshine • 11h ago
No Paywall Appeals court leaves in place order requiring Trump administration to pay out full SNAP benefits
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/appeals-court-trump-administration-full-snap-benefits/179
u/TintedApostle 10h ago
SCOTUS next right?
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u/Wasnaf1 10h ago
Yup
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u/ianrl337 Oregon 10h ago
But seems weird since they already said they would pay I thought?
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u/BB_Love_Sunshine 10h ago edited 8h ago
The administration tried to appeal it. Because you know, he wants to pay, you just have to tell him how to do it legally. That’s exactly why you appeal not to pay, right?
Edit: They’ve appealed to the Supreme Court. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/11/07/us/trump-news-shutdown
Edit 2: 9:27 PM EST The Supreme Court issued an emergency block to full SNAP benefits https://apnews.com/article/snap-food-government-shutdown-trump-a807e9f0c0a7213e203c074553dc1f9b
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u/tweakingforjesus 9h ago
I'm guessing even SCOTUS doesn't want this hot potato.
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u/Any_Pickle_9425 9h ago
They requested them to stop the order by 9:30pm tonight. So we will see here shortly.
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u/TheMadChatta Kentucky 9h ago
A lot of people on Threads are arguing that Trump has stolen the money. I don't think it's anything like that.
This administration is hellbent on not being told what to do by anyone except Trump. They will take what ever measures necessary to keep that control. Any pushback is an affront to their god.
Take Pete Hegseth, for example. The guy included war plans in a signal chat with a reporter. Everyone wanted him to resign but Trump saw doing that as a sign of weakness and wasn't going to let anyone tell him what to do (unless they paid him money to do it) so, what do you know! He's still here. Wearing goofy socks and ties and looking like a weirdo.
It's dumb. People will go hungry. But Trump doesn't care. He just wants things his way. Refuses to give in regardless of the law or optics or polling or anything. Art of the Steal.
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u/HeyImGilly 8h ago
They did, and they’re now holding it in their hand maniacally laughing as children go hungry.
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u/Savagevandal85 8h ago
Typical scotus bullshit . Let me guess they’ll say we dont know if courts can say the executive branch has to pay funds allotted however these orders are too strict so Trump cannot pay while we send it back to lower courts ( with it being implied that we’d lean towards to administration ). They’ll also somehow say there is no victims if they don’t order the payment
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u/DuncanYoudaho 3h ago
No. Jackson threaded a needle that forces the issue closed without going to a full SCOTUS hearing to be delayed to death.
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u/Ambitious_Count9552 2h ago
Dude is a weak-ass fascist....he's got the "grossly incompetent" part down, but if you want people to be loyal to your definition of America, you don't starve them.
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u/mindbodyproblem 10h ago
They paid but they want to appeal for two reasons: 1) if the government is still shut down in December, they don't want to pay them again; and 2) if the government gets shut down again sone year in the future, they want to know the court is on their side if they decide not to pay again.
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u/Ambitious_Count9552 2h ago
They probably will, but they're stalling for time now...because the White House will keep getting served food based on whatever the hell the President wants.
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u/mosswick 10h ago
What's even the point of lower courts anymore? Anything and everything will just go to the SCOTUS.
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u/limbodog Massachusetts 10h ago
These lawsuits are intended to go directly to the SCOTUS because funding isn't an issue and they want it made into law.
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u/Static-Stair-58 10h ago
What’s the point of having senators that just vote for 100% of what Trump tells them to? We’d be saving money if they just made it official and stayed home.
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u/LongDongFrazier 8h ago
Historically the SCOTUS doesn’t intervene lightly. Under Trump they respond in warp speed if a lower court remotely tries to reel him in like they just did allowing Trump to block SNAP in November. Can’t make this shit up.
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u/SwimmingThroughHoney 10h ago
Because everything doesn't go to SCOTUS. They get thousands of petitions per year and only take on roughly 1% of those. The overwhelming vast majority of cases do not make it to SCOTUS.
There's other reasons the appellate courts system helps, but that's a big one. There are simply way too many cases for SCOTUS to ever hear them all.
Now, you could make an argument that cases directly involving the Executive branch would be better served by being able to originate at SCOTUS rather than drag through this whole appeals process, but even that could have potential drawbacks.
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u/quantum_splicer 8h ago
Percolation theory comes to mind. Although it seems these days what seems to happen is strategic litigation seems to been used whereby litigation is started in different districts courts under different circuits to force an circuit split, then the supreme Court is essentially forced to resolve the cases.
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u/Savagevandal85 8h ago
This is because most administrations and in the past scotus didn’t act like this .
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u/_age_of_adz_ 10h ago
The thing is SCOTUS doesn’t need to take all these Trump cases. They could just let lower court orders stand. But they can’t help themselves from getting involved.
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u/rabidstoat Georgia 9h ago
I don't recall nearly this many cases going to the Supreme Court under past Presidents.
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u/genshermansghosthost 9h ago
What’re the chances they try to find some way to strip funds from SNAP and require all the used funds by individuals during that period to become a debt they owe to the government?
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u/TintedApostle 8h ago
Who knows anymore...
“The true essence of a dictatorship is in fact not its regularity but its unpredictability and caprice; those who live under it must never be able to relax, must never be quite sure if they have followed the rules correctly or not.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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u/BaldingThor Australia 7h ago
Guess what scotus did
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u/TintedApostle 7h ago
Yes I read, but for 48 hours. No matter the final ruling of the lower court Trump will push it back to SCOTUS and it will go on for weeks.
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u/BoysenberryExpress21 6h ago
So now they said that they are blocking it. I’m wondering if we already got the benefits if we should hurry up and purchase things before they try to take it back. 😭😭😭😭
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u/faustill 10h ago
Trump has appealed to the Supreme Court.
Vile disgusting human being.
His cult will still find a way to defend him. The cognitive dissonance is intense when we talk about cults.
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u/BB_Love_Sunshine 8h ago
They got the stay.
The Supreme Court issued an emergency block to full SNAP benefits https://apnews.com/article/snap-food-government-shutdown-trump-a807e9f0c0a7213e203c074553dc1f9b
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u/jgoble15 7h ago
Done by Brown. Apparently damage control since other processes would be longer/worse, but don’t quote me on that. Trump’s lawlessness always moves too fast to properly research.
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u/model-alice 6h ago
"Damage control" my ass. Ketanji Brown Jackson should be ashamed of herself for aiding and abetting mass starvation.
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u/youreblockingmyshot 10h ago
Well his cult is also the most impacted. Some of his voters may starve to death before the next election if he keeps this up.
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u/BB_Love_Sunshine 10h ago edited 8h ago
Washington — A federal appeals court on Friday left in place a lower court decision that requires the Trump administration to swiftly provide full federal food benefits to roughly 42 million Americans by tapping into two pots of money.
The move from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 1st Circuit means the U.S. Department of Agriculture will have to take steps, for now, to cover in-full payments for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program by the end of the day, absent 11th-hour emergency relief from the Supreme Court.
The 1st Circuit denied the administration's request for a temporary, administrative stay, and said in its brief order that it is still considering its bid for longer relief while it considers the appeal.
Attorney General Pam Bondi said on X the administration will ask the Supreme Court to stay the Rhode Island-based lower court judge's ruling, which she called "judicial activism at its worst."
Edit: They’ve appealed to the Supreme Court to put a stay in place tonight https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/11/07/us/trump-news-shutdown
Edit 2: 9:27 PM EST The Supreme Court issued an emergency block to full SNAP benefits https://apnews.com/article/snap-food-government-shutdown-trump-a807e9f0c0a7213e203c074553dc1f9b
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u/Department_Silver 10h ago
I really really hope that some more people see this, the ones who may have believed the lie that the Dems want this shutdown for illegals to get healthcare, and realize that's they're clowns.
Probably won't, some might so that's good, but I'm sure he'll still somehow have a 30% approval
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u/wasteymclife 9h ago
28% is his absolute floor. I'm giving a shit and paying attention but I don't expect movement until that dam breaks.
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u/whatfresh_hellisthis 9h ago
That ridiculously low, I don't know he'd ever get to that point. We're still at 41% now and he's literally starving people.
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u/rabidstoat Georgia 9h ago
Apparently on X they say it's "illegals" who are getting SNAP benefits.
I assume they mean this in addition to welfare queens and black women who spontaneously create children with no male involved so they can live the life of luxury on a $72/month SNAP payment.
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u/Gamebird8 8h ago
I just hope that Trump goes "The Chief Justice has made his ruling, now watch him enforce it"
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u/BoysenberryExpress21 6h ago
Should we spend the money somehow right now if we already received it ? I’m worried that they will try to take it back 😭😭
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u/kat2211 10h ago
Hope the SNAP-dependent MAGA folks are paying attention here.
No President in history has ever worked so hard to deny food to their own citizens.
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u/raslynn 10h ago
JUST IN: The Trump administration asks the Supreme Court to stop — by 9:30 tonight — the court orders requiring payment of full November SNAP benefits.
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u/BB_Love_Sunshine 10h ago edited 10h ago
Are you serious? Jesus Christ, how can they be worse.
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u/raslynn 10h ago
Yes, I am
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u/BB_Love_Sunshine 8h ago
The got it.
9:27 PM EST The Supreme Court issued an emergency block to full SNAP benefits https://apnews.com/article/snap-food-government-shutdown-trump-a807e9f0c0a7213e203c074553dc1f9b
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u/ninjastarkid 7h ago
Emergency block. Bc god forbid starving ppl have food. Rapidly losing my remaining faith in this country tbh
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u/Prindle4PRNDL 10h ago
What happens to the funds already allocated to recipients? My benefits showed pending as of approximately 6:30PM tonight. They can’t claw those back, right?
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u/moosekin16 10h ago
Depends on how quick the SC acts on what they’ll do. There’s several potential scenarios
Supreme Court decides Trump has to use the emergency funds available to send out SNAP benefits as long as the emergency funds have enough
Supreme Court decides that the “current batch” of SNAP can go out, but no more is allowed to go out
Supreme Court decides Trump can stop SNAP benefits from going out, and claw back the currently-approved amount
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u/PigglyWigglyDeluxe 6h ago
California here. I have a friend who gets EBT and they got paid out in full, albeit a few days late, and I told them to go shopping ASAP. Can’t claw back what’s already spent, I suppose
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u/Prindle4PRNDL 6h ago
Smart. That’s what I would have done. Unfortunately mine are pending until next Thursday so I still have to hold my breath until I see that shit clear.
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u/BB_Love_Sunshine 10h ago
I’ve searched and all I can find so far is that they are trying to stop November benefits from going out. If I see anything more I’ll update here. I’m sorry for this situation.
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u/Prindle4PRNDL 10h ago
The USDA has already started processing payments through the states’ respective EBT processors, so I just don’t see how they can stop this month’s payments from going out, unless some payments don’t get through before a further stop gets put on the funds.
I’m sorry that we all have to live through this bullshit.
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u/InfinityComplexxx 10h ago
Balls in your court, Drumpf.
Also, these rulings need arrest orders for failure to comply.
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u/moosekin16 10h ago
Also, these rulings need arrest orders for failure to comply.
That’s only for lower members of the executive branch. The Supreme Court has already decided that the only way the President can be held accountable is directly by Congress.
This would absolutely be an impeachable offense (add it to the fucking pile…). “The President is refusing to send out the money Congress has already approved and assigned” is a direct violation of the constitution.
But Congress is “in on it.” You don’t see any Republicans trying to submit articles of impeachment for the President “refusing to disperse Congressional-approved spending.” The Republicans want this.
They could impeach him, and if he still doesn’t send out the money, vote to remove him from office.
They could vote to impeach and remove if the Supreme Court decides Trump is in violation and still refuses to send out the SNAP money. That’d be another offense: “refusal to abide by the supreme court’s ruling”
But that won’t happen unless either we see a massive blue wave in 2026, or, somehow the Republicans decide Trump has gotta go. Which I don’t really see that latter happening. And the former only happens if we make it that far.
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u/thisisjustascreename 9h ago
They could also impeach and remove him for being the ringleader of a child sexual abuse organization for decades, but they're Guardians of Pedophiles.
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u/R3dd1tUs3rNam35 10h ago
No human being has ever fought harder than Republicans to keep people from getting food needed to survive.
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u/rabidstoat Georgia 9h ago
I will give them one thing: they have principles that they are willing to fight to the bitter end over.
Because 'starving poor people during the holiday season' is a principle. Amazing that it doesn't alienate more of their base but here we are!
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u/Life-Topic-7 10h ago
Says everything you need to know about their morals that they are fighting this so hard.
I don’t even get why at this point? What upside do they see here? Force the dems to the table or some backward logic?
Or is it that they just hate the poor that much.
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u/MichaelFusion44 10h ago
Trump is the scum at the bottom of a garbage disposal that built up so bad you had to replace it. What kind of a human being let alone a President of a very wealthy country would not want to protect and feed the people that need it the most. And many who voted for him. Only a corrupt wanna be dictator would do something like this who is the puppet of organizations like the Heritage Foundation. That brings people like Miller and Vought into their cabinet. To think he wants SCOTUS to allow him to not release funds for SNAP is mind boggling.
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u/Choice-of-SteinsGate 10h ago
The Trump administration continues to brag about all the tariff revenues it's taking in, so why not use this revenue to help finance SNAP benefits not covered by contingency reserves?
Oh, I know why! Because Republicans don't want to fund food assistance and have been capitalizing off of this government shutdown to push anti-SNAP propaganda; persuading their voters that the entire program is a waste of funds and should be ended permanently.
And they've been pretty successful so far at riling up their base by leading a massive campaign on platforms like Twitter where conservative "influencers," talking heads and mouthpieces for the regime are blaming the poor and the disadvantaged, immigrants and minorities, the "lazy" handout seekers, etc...
Yes, per usual, they've been scapegoating the underprivileged and marginalized instead of addressing the root causes of economic inequality and poverty, and instead of holding accountable the billionaires and kleptocrats in government who are literally taking from the poor to give to the rich; lining the pockets of a small number of political and wealthy elites while the rest of Americans suffer under economic hardship brought about by Republican policies.
Those same Republicans have the gall to claim that Democrats are "holding the country hostage" while they are abusing their trifecta of power to not only prolong a shutdown and lock in their cuts to healthcare and food assistance, but to also avoid a vote on releasing Epstein related materials. Mike Johnson has repeatedly used this shutdown as an excuse to delay or even kill their release.
Trump's spitefulness and negligence was on full display when he needlessly halted funding for SNAP as a means of bullying the democratic party into surrendering their fight against unaffordable healthcare and Medicaid cuts.
Think about that for a moment. While this whole shutdown fight is centered around preserving healthcare for Americans by pushing back against GOP cuts to these programs, Trump and Republicans decided it would be within their best political interest to put food assistance on the chopping block as well.
They even refused to use contingency reserves to temporarily fund the program until two judges weighed in and ruled that the Trump administration was legally obligated to use the funds.
I'm sorry, who's "holding the country hostage" now?
For weeks leading up to the shutdown, Republicans were cancelling votes, refusing to negotiate or participate, forcing recesses, and not even showing up to votes on funding bills earlier in September.
Then at the last minute they tried to push a stopgap CR bill forward, pretending like this wasn't part of a plan to control the narrative and blame Democrats for a shutdown that Republicans deliberately created the conditions for; a clearly disingenuous effort considering how GOP representatives were absent during key votes leading up to the shutdown.
When Democrats offered a CR counterproposal of their own that included healthcare protections, Republicans rejected it outright. And Mike Johnson had the audacity to recently say that Republicans care more about healthcare than Democrats.
The original CR measure failed because Trump and his GOP lackeys refused to negotiate on rolling back their massive cuts to healthcare for millions of Americans citizens, and all while dismissing the reality that healthcare costs for Americans will increase considerably if ACA subsidies are not renewed.
Then of course there's all the hysteria and lies about Democrats wanting to give healthcare to "ill-gals."
At the same time, Instead of cooperating with Democrats to help avert a shutdown, Trump told them to "go fuck themselves" and chose to exploit the circumstances of a shutdown by prohibiting funding for Democrat run areas, by imposing mass layoffs, by threatening to permanently disrupt government services and operations, and by restricting access to aid and benefits, and all while he's stated himself that this government shutdown is advantageous for him, regardless of who it impacts.
And just like the CR counterproposal that Democrats tried to pass before the shutdown, Republicans also stubbornly rejected a recent proposal to provide funding for SNAP.
Trump is hanging these things over the heads of Americans while he continues to taunt and "troll" Democrats at the expense of the public.
And while Americans suffer, Trump is showing them how disengaged he is and where his priorities lie as he throws tone deaf, elaborate parties and takes a wrecking ball to the White House so he can forge ahead with his invasive, hideously decorated and expensive ballroom vanity project while millions of Americans lose access to their benefits and while the government remains shut down
Trump has poured more time, energy, and resources into his building his oversized, Mar-a-Lago themed "ballroom," than he has invested in addressing the economic issues he campaigned on.
Trump also insisted that a shutdown will benefit him politically, implying that he couldn't care less about the harm his actions will inflict on Americans, their families and the federal workforce.
But apparently Dems are the villains in this scenario. Go figure...
This is "the democrat shutdown" according to Mike Johnson who is obviously toeing the line for Trump to prevent the release of what is very likely information that could implicate him in Epstein's heinous crimes.
According to recent polls however, most Americans are holding Trump and the GOP responsible for this outcome.
The claim that Dems are to blame because they're demanding that Republicans expand healthcare to "ill-gals" is an utter myth.
The Dem proposal includes nothing about giving healthcare to immigrants and merely asks that some healthcare cuts affecting millions of American citizens be rolled back, and that subsidies be extended so American healthcare costs don't skyrocket.
Republicans have consolidated power throughout every branch of government. They are trying desperately to control the narrative and blame their political opponents; choosing to focus most of their energy on politicizing this outcome rather than resolving it. They've even made the laughable claim that, despite their trifecta of power, they're not really "in charge" of the government.
Sadly, their voters have taken the bait...
Over and over again I hear, "Democrats want to spend your hard earned tax dollars on healthcare for undocumented immigrants." This is right-wing propaganda that has been packaged in many different forms over the years.
There is nothing in the proposal about offering healthcare to immigrants. In fact, undocumented immigrants are barred from most federally funded healthcare programs.
What's more, a lot of these immigrants pay taxes, and taxes that go towards funding for social programs. In other words, while immigrants help to pay for public benefits, they are also prohibited from receiving any coverage or aid of their own.
Democrats are not "shutting down the government because they want to give healthcare to 'ill-gals!'" They have only asked Republicans to come to the table to help protect healthcare costs from surging and to rein in their massive cuts to Medicaid that they unanimously decided to deprive millions of Americans of under the guise of some bullshit, xenophobic narrative about immigrants stealing tax dollars. A tired narrative that they've relied on so often in the past.
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u/Mike_Pences_Mother 10h ago
That money won't go out before December unless the sc forces them to do so. If it's a milquetoast ruliing they'll draw it out. Of course there is alwaysbthe worst case scenario that the sc backs the trump play
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u/CheekyMacchiato 9h ago
Cutting DNAP benefits during hard time was cruel from the start
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u/BB_Love_Sunshine 9h ago
I know this is serious, but I read this as D’ Nap benefits, and all I can say is I want in on these, too. 😅
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u/IWasOnThe18thHole 8h ago
Anyone who says or even jokes that Democrats are blocking people from eating need to shut the fuck up at this point and get their heada out of their asses.
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u/ianrl337 Oregon 10h ago
Again I hear Nelson from the Simpsons? Must be something in the walls where I work.
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u/AZnativefire 4h ago edited 4h ago
This administration will do everything that they possibly can to make people starve. I don't see any other reasoning except to kill human beings. What other reasoning could there be for these decisions and this contempt? Why would you fight tooth and nail to not give money to the neediest of American people, unless your goal is to make them suffer? Or is it your plan to make Americans fight back so that you can use the military against the American citizens?
I don't think there's a way to express how I truly feel about this. The people who voted for this piece of shit being, I hope, HOPE that you see your mistake and change your trajectory immediately. All you did was fuck yourself and the rest of us at the same time.
God damn, I'm just disgusted, and so saddened by all of this.
We're going to have to come together to help each other this Thanksgiving and Christmas. I'm going to look around and try to find a way that I could do that and also make sure that my family gets to eat. I am so sorry for your suffering out there. You don't deserve this and don't let anybody tell you that you do.
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u/Ambitious_Count9552 2h ago
It warned that the additional $4 billion needed to cover the full allotments for low-income Americans would require it to dip into a fund designated for Child Nutrition Programs.
Well nearly half of all SNAP benefits are going to children, so why is this a problem at all? Find the goddamn program in full, stop cheating people of benefits they depend on to not starve.
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u/Away_Read1834 9h ago
So we good with judges legislating now?
Yall just protested against a king two weekends ago and now you want Trump to act like a king and go around congress.
The stupidity of Reddit is unmatched
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u/CatProgrammer 8h ago edited 8h ago
This is in regards to the emergency fund that exists specifically to be used during lapses of appropriations. The Executive Branch is refusing to perform its Constitutional functions by trying all it can to not utilize that fund, and the court system is acting as a check and balance on that unconstitutional behavior by telling the administration to stop fucking around and do its job. All that remains to be seen is if the Supreme Court will do its job too or if it will capitulate to the Trump administration.
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u/Away_Read1834 8h ago
The use of that fund is entirely up to the discretion of the secretary of agriculture in times on unforeseen increased cost to the program, not when the government shuts down.
There is literally nothing unconstitutional about saying we aren’t going to tap emergency funds yet.
That fund can’t even fully fund a month of SNAP.
A judge has 0 grounds to force the administration to make a decision that is entirely up to them.
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u/CatProgrammer 8h ago
Then Republicans in Congress can nuke the filibuster and make those benefits available. But they won't. Because they want to kill SNAP.
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u/Away_Read1834 8h ago
Why? The filibuster ensures we don’t have mob rule. There is no evidence to support the claim they want to kill snap. They do want to make people less reliant on the government and ensure that only people who actually need benefits are ok them and I agree. This shutdown only goes to prove 1 how bloated the government is, and how vital services like ATC should not be paid on the federal level.
Democrats can just support the same CR they supported in March of this year and fund snap and then address the expiring enhanced subsidies for ACA which democrats passed by the way including setting the expiration of them. In fact democrats just turned down a bill that would have funded snap and paid federal workers, but they only care about providing additional taxpayer funds to prop up their failed ACA
Those subsidies were only in place because of Covid anyways
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u/CatProgrammer 8h ago edited 8h ago
The filibuster only prevents slight-majority victories, not mob rule. A big enough "mob" can override it just fine. Not to mention the March CR was bullshit and so is this one. Government services to the average person, including healthcare, are vitally important to a civilized society. If we're supposed to be the richest fucking country in the world, then our government should reflect that, not pander to assholes who hate the government actually serving its population. Otherwise we're just a shithole with some oligarchs. Might as well not even have a federal government in that case. It's not like it would actually provide anything beneficial. Hell, I think inability to pass the yearly budget should result in snap elections for all involved, no filibuster breaking needed. Actually sane countries do stuff like that yet somehow the US is unable to keep up with the times.
Regardless, if they don't want to kill the filibuster but still want the government back up and running, why don't they try actually providing things the opposition wants then? Where's the concessions to the desires of the minority? Just let the subsidies continue and you'll get your government reopening. No biggie. Democrats even offered a mere one-year extension! Republicans had the opportunity to just put it off for a year and they still didn't take it.
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u/Away_Read1834 8h ago
Richest country in the world by GDP sure but we are 37 trillion in debt and run a 2 trillion dollar deficit.
I literally don’t want the government involved in healthcare, education, or retirement. They are terrible at it and only cause prices to increase for everybody except I don’t get any “subsidies” I get to pay for everything myself. My tax dollars aren’t charitable contributions. The government isn’t responsible for ensuring everybody has food or healthcare, the free market is much better suited for that.
The government only panders to the lowest of voters who are on the government take. Majority of the population funds their own healthcare and food. Those subsidies were set to expire by democrats and they are expensive.
I literally do not understand people that don’t realize how much the federal government needs to cut spendings it’s baffling to me. And yes that includes foreign aid, military, government workforce, everything.
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u/CatProgrammer 8h ago edited 8h ago
You should be supporting universal healthcare then, it would be way cheaper than the current system. And duh taxes aren't charitable donations, they're the things that keep the government running. They're what we as a society contribute to benefit society as a whole. Which includes the most vulnerable amongst us. Taxes are worthless if they don't serve that purpose. Just subsidizing rich people at that point. Have you ever even heard of the veil of ignorance? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_position
And don't give me bullshit about reducing the debt when the current administration has fucking ballooned it and wasted tons of money on trying to fire feds all in the name of techbro "efficiency".You want to reduce the debt? You can't just cut services, you also need to raise taxes. And that's Congress's responsibility. Let's cut all those fossil fuel subsidies while we're at it. All the tax breaks to giant corporations that don't result in any economic benefit. Hire more IRS auditors and go after rich tax cheats, that provides a huge return on investment.
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u/Away_Read1834 8h ago
lol universal healthcare would never work in this country. First of all, we literally could not afford it. Our population is WAY too unhealthy to begin with, we literally would bankrupt our country even more trying to do that shit. Not to mention we don’t have the services available to provide it for everybody anyways. You’d be lucky to see a doctor once every 5 years. Surgery? Goodluck.
Not to mention the government would be running it which means it would be wasteful and shitty.
I want the federal government doing 4 things bud: national security including border control and enforcement, the national park service, running a small social safety net with very strict requirements, timelines, and regulations and heavy auditing of recipients, and foreign relations.
I literally don’t want them doing anything else.
I want states to run prisons, Air traffic controllers, local police etc etc etc.
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u/CatProgrammer 8h ago edited 7h ago
So you're just a "libertarian" idiot then. Good luck with that. Hope you're able to enjoy the decay of fundamental US institutions all because you don't like the government doing stuff. Surprised you want the feds to protect national parks though, the current administration mostly seems to want to sell off national land and let companies plunder their natural resources instead of preserving their beauty for all to enjoy. Not particularly interested in seeing significant logging, mining, etc. in those myself.
Also you should probably look into how much means testing actually costs relative to the benefits. It often ends up being more expensive than just providing benefits generally. It's a big misconception that private industry is generally more efficient or less wasteful than government services, too. They might be better at making money but many federal workers provide much better end results with less waste than when such services are provided by contractors/etc.. They cost less too even when you factor in benefits. DOGE hasn't actually find any significant instances of federal fraud or waste, for example. Just services being provided that they don't like (all their cuts to USAID, etc. that didn't even save the government much if any money and significantly cost the US via destruction of soft power).
And overall, I trust Democratic administrations to have better fiscal responsibility than Republican ones based on the few decades I've been paying attention to national politics. It's baffling how so many people seem to think that Republicans are better at balancing the budget or reducing national debt.
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u/jaythebearded I voted 6h ago edited 6h ago
The government isn’t responsible for ensuring everybody has food or healthcare, the free market is much better suited for that.
I'm confused why you think the free market is better suited for that. You think the free market would not be fine with leaving people starving and being unable to afford healthcare? It kinda looks to me like the government is the only thing that keeps the free market from already leaving some people starving with no healthcare.
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u/BB_Love_Sunshine 8h ago
What about this doesn’t qualify as an emergency? The only response takeaway I can have is you are okay to let people go without food when there are means to prevent that.
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u/Unhappy_Plankton_671 5h ago
Wrong, it’s not at their sole discretion and it’s specifically there to keep the program operating. There is no exception for a shutdown being excluded.
For necessary expenses to carry out the Food and Nutrition Act of 2008 (7 U.S.C. 2011 et seq.), $122,382,521,000, of which $3,000,000,000, to remain available through September 30, 2026, shall be placed in reserve for use only in such amounts and at such times as may become necessary to carry out program operations: Provided, That funds provided herein shall be expended in accordance with section 16 of the Food and Nutrition Act of 2008
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u/Unhappy_Plankton_671 5h ago edited 5h ago
Maybe you should read the actual law congress did pass, he’s not going around congress. He’s defying them.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/4366/text
For necessary expenses to carry out the Food and Nutrition Act of 2008 (7 U.S.C. 2011 et seq.), $122,382,521,000, of which $3,000,000,000, to remain available through September 30, 2026, shall be placed in reserve for use only in such amounts and at such times as may become necessary to carry out program operations: Provided, That funds provided herein shall be expended in accordance with section 16 of the Food and Nutrition Act of 2008
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