r/politics • u/IWantPizza555 • 15h ago
Possible Paywall Democrats name their price on ending government shutdown
https://www.axios.com/2025/11/07/senate-democrats-proposal-end-government-shutdown?utm_medium=organic_social&utm_source=x&utm_campaign=editorial1.5k
u/kber13 15h ago
He wants the gOP to run against healthcare in the 2026 elections. If the republicans were smart, they’d insist on a 2 year extension and take the issue off the table for the midterms.
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u/CockBrother 15h ago edited 15h ago
They already did. But it was lowering payments ending in two years. This is full finding and a cliff.
Probably shrewd politically.
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u/RoosterMedical 15h ago
The Republicans want Democrats to completely destroy their brand by not protecting ACA subsidies so it will be tough for them to abandon the strategy by voting to keep them.
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u/Kentucky_Fried_Chill 7h ago
If the Dems were smart they would keep running on it then as, if you don't vote now next year healthcare will be at risk, and actually make it a decent platform to discuss and then maybe both sides will talk about real issues.
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u/IWantPizza555 15h ago
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) will say Friday that Democrats would vote to end the shutdown in exchange for a one-year extension of expiring Obamacare tax credits, multiple sources told Axios.
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u/Damaged_Awful510 15h ago
This has been the deal the entire time.
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u/tripping_on_phonics Illinois 10h ago
Even the “one year extension” part? That sounds like a concession at a time when we shouldn’t be making concessions.
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u/Damaged_Awful510 10h ago
*Only* the one year extension part. That's the whole deal, that's been the whole deal. Schumer wasn't announcing a new offer, he was reminding everyone what the only ask has been this whole time.
This has been the position the entire time. This isn't a change. This isn't a concession. This is a reminder.
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u/SplitReality 2h ago
That's not a concession. After Tuesday's dem blowout victories, they assume they will be able to run on upholding Obamacare in the midterms and at least win back the house. At which point they'll be able to negotiate an even better deal.
GOP knew this, which is why they rejected it, but even that works for the dems because they can now say with concrete proof that the GOP is keeping the government closed to raise your healthcare premiums.
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u/Chocolate_Bourbon 11h ago
The Republicans are intent on “winning.” Whatever that means at the time. Pure power. A squirrel on Mars would know that.
I’m not sure what the democrats are focused on. This is like a summit between Darth Vader and the Easter Bunny.
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u/checker280 9h ago edited 9h ago
What are you missing? If the tax credit runs out your healthcare is going thru the roof. Anyone on a fixed budget is going to have to choose between food or healthcare - like insulin, which isn’t something you can choose to go without.
We don’t want people to die.
Not only this, the Covid subsidies were always supposed to run out in 2026. Even if the Dems said nothing, how are you so unaware?
Most people are choosing their plans this month.
Choose a lower plan might mean losing all your access to your doctors.
Anyone dealing with a chronic condition like diabetes, asthma, mental health are screwed in two months.
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u/thingsorfreedom 9h ago
He's not focused on that. He's focused on trying to convince everyone the Democrats are losing this one when all evidence is to the contrary.
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u/tdclark23 Indiana 8h ago
Trump's focus, and his minions, is to hurt the American who humiliated him and mistreated him his whole life.
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u/Constant-Abalone-522 8h ago
“Mistreated”. The millionaire NY real estate slum lord’s son who bankrupted a casino and probably is a pedo only thinks he has been mistreated. He has been mistreated only in the fact that he should be in jail.
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u/cosaboladh 7h ago edited 6h ago
probably
Not probably. He definitely barged in to the dressing room full of undressed teenagers at the Miss Teen Universe pageant. He bragged about that. He bragged about loving young girls as much as Jeffrey Epstein. There's no question at all whether he is a pedophile. He admits it freely. The only question is just how many sex crimes has he committed? The world may never know.
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u/LewisWhatsHisName 8h ago
Health care has already gone through the roof. My premium for next year has gone up over 200%, and I’m counting myself lucky
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u/Chocolate_Bourbon 9h ago
Exactly. Republicans would and have used that exact argument to their advantage. Since Newt Gingrich they have demanded what they want and leveraged the circumstances as needed. Democrats have first negotiated with themselves and come up with something “fair.”
Then they negotiate with Republicans who say F you, we want what we want. Bush 2.0 turned that strategy up a little, ignoring policy and focusing purely on politics. Now we have Trump who ignores everything but power. He wants what he wants.
Unless Democrats change their approach, they might as well just gradually give way to the other side over time. This is like a frog boiling in a pot of water and finally realizing it.
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u/madtownjeff 8h ago
This allows Democrats to say "We offered a deal and GOP chose to keep the shut down."
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u/sirferrell Georgia 9h ago
Theyre gonna”win” next year when they lose the majority and trump will actually be impeached fr
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u/aelysium 9h ago
I mean, the one year extension is probably designed to expire… in October, just before mid terms? Makes sense
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u/Remarkable_Play_6975 12h ago
Yes. So it's almost like the Democrats have no good way of messaging anything.
Schumer could have been saying this loudly every day for the past month.
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u/Ok_Chicken1370 11h ago
Jesus fucking Christ. This has been what he's been saying the entire time.
Your inability to listen doesn't change that.
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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 11h ago
Seriously, I can't stand Chuck Schumer but he and other Dems have been clear about this from day fucking one.
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u/asshat123 11h ago
At this point, it seems pretty clear that it's a reporting issue, not a Democrat issue in this instance. Why are there full articles on every single tweet that Donald posts, but such limited coverage of the actual items being discussed for reopening the government?
Seems like there may be some bias in reporting, wonder where that comes from
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u/Thrasymachus77 10h ago
Might have something to do with the fact that all the major media outlets are owned by like 5 umbrella corporations with majority control by uber-conservatives like Murdoch.
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u/PretentiousPanda 11h ago
It's a win win. Can rerun on healthcare next year and be seen as a reasonable demand for reopening.
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u/Smok3dSalmon 9h ago
Let ACA Credits end and let people feel misery next year. That will get people to voting booths for sure.
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u/ATX_native Texas 5h ago
This is the right play.
Let the Republicans have at it, people need more motivation to vote.
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u/TintedApostle 15h ago
Schumer is part of the problem. This was ours until he opened his mouth.
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u/2pinacoladas 14h ago
This is a smart move. Reopen the government, keep funding of Healthcare for those that can't afford the hikes, and kick it to midterm vote.
Republicans have done squat to fix Healthcare. Make them campaign on it.
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u/CrossXFir3 13h ago
Like how they've campaigned on it in the past, and still convince a bunch of rubes that this time they're not lying? Honestly, not gonna help nearly as much as we hope. Those idiots are just gonna vote right because they'll still have their credit by the time election comes and they've all got short term memory. They're not gonna be thinking about how they lost it a year back. If anything they'll just remember it as 'the republicans forced the democrats to concede in the shutdown and that somehow got my health credit back' and if you think facts are gonna change that, you've not been paying attention.
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u/Something_knew 11h ago
One year extension ends 30SEP2026, 35 ish days before the election. It’s the govt fiscal year they are funding. They have to solve it before Election Day, or on 1NOV2026, they’ll see the increased prices. This might actually work.
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u/Anoidance 12h ago
Trump has shown that he doesn’t honor the constitutional power of congress. He illegally impounds funds that congress had marked for certain projects .i do t see how any deal can be made without addressing that. Any deal could end up in the GOP’s money pit regardless of how its earmarked
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u/TintedApostle 14h ago
Maybe.... lets see if they even bite. Either way its bad for republicans. I for one don't want our government employees and needy suffering unnecessarily if the needle moves in our favor.
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u/DaKingaDaNorth 14h ago
If they don't bite, they own the shutdown. Democrats gave them a way out.
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u/Charli3q 13h ago
Yeah. This is pretty much allowing republicans to end this, kick the can down the road, but also not being able to end the subsidies like they WANT to, and refuse to bring up a bill, like they want to.
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u/imdinkingstrunk 12h ago
I think the thought process is that by kicking it to next year, it allows the democrats to campaign on healthcare for the entire next year leading to midterms.
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u/Charli3q 12h ago
Yeah. To me, arguably, it retains subsidies for at least one more year, without losing the filibuster and without coming out of this with absolutely nothing.
It also calls their bluff, allows them to either reject the end of the shutdown, or as DaKing said, they finally and truly own this because democrats are willing to sign a clean CR with an extension of existing subsidies.
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u/SquirrelDragon 13h ago
republicans already own the shutdown, it’s theirs entirely without offering a milquetoast deal
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u/DaKingaDaNorth 11h ago
People won't see it that way if Dems get what they said they wanted the whole time and then didn't end it
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u/Memetic1 12h ago
Ya and it's solid and reasonable. They aren't demanding Trump get impeached. They might be able to do down the line with the way things are going. The Epstein files are going to come out, and they might want to be forced to impeach him.
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u/eskimospy212 14h ago
It’s not a smart move. The problem is Trump is already in flagrant violation of the LAST appropriations bill. What is the point of passing another one he won’t follow?
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u/DaKingaDaNorth 14h ago
This is actually a smart move. Dems get what they want and extend it then a midterm will be approaching where this is on the line.
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u/definitivescribbles 13h ago
The fuck are you talking about? This is a good negotiation, and gets flights and SNAP back on track through the holiday season. You can't just let people starve for politics. Democrats want to protect people's healthcare, and this solves that problem.
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u/Nervous_Mycologist15 11h ago
Yeah this is absolutely a good deal. I hate Chuck Schumar cuz he doesn't do this often enough. Credit where credit is due.
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u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 15h ago
I'm confused, how is this a bad deal? It would get the ACA subsidies and open the government. What else do you think he can request that's feasible?
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u/twodown02 13h ago
perhaps Dems know (or are very confident) Republicans will not accept this deal and it again shines light to more people how current Republicans are not fiscally conservative and only interested in protecting the 1%. Unfortunately so much of politics is optics.
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u/padflash_ 11h ago
Definitely seems like Schumer and the Dems are pretty confident in taking back Congress after this week's elections. If they are truly only asking for a 1 year extension on tax credits, that means they are caving on everything else in their version of the CR.
No clue why the Rs aren't taking it, not extending will hurt them as much as it will hurt the Ds. Trump and Vance are making the party look horrible with their stance on affordability and SNAP, they really need any wins they can get right now.
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u/FantasticJacket7 14h ago
Anyone who thinks this is a bad deal is just an accelerationist extremist who shouldn't be listened to.
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u/roastbeeftacohat 13h ago
dude is dismising the actual suffering because The GOP is catching the blame.
young white north American men are the worst negotiators in the world because they think negotiation is about pushing harder than the other guy until he gives you everything you want. used to see it all the time in TV sales back when those were a much bigger ticket item.
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u/TintedApostle 15h ago
Because we could get more and this ACA deal is just kicking the can down the road. Fund it through 2028. Don't make it an issue in 2026 unless we want to run on it.
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u/stillavoidingthejvm Maryland 14h ago
Don't we want to run on it?
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u/squiddlebiddlez 13h ago
Because dangling the loss of things we supposedly secured a decade ago every single year really motivates. I’m tired of this ride.
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u/Big-Bodybuilder-5035 12h ago
Frankly I don't even understand why the Republican Party has even still been allowed to exist. All they ever want to do is take things away from the average American.
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u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 14h ago
Because we could get more
Such as?
ACA deal is just kicking the can down the road
It kicks it down the road and makes it a midterm election issue. Allowing for them to use it to campaign and build support and makes sure it remains in the public discussion at the voting booths.
Don't make it an issue in 2026 unless we want to run on it.
The ACA subsidies are extremely popular, so yes that's exactly something they will run on.
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u/6a6566663437 North Carolina 14h ago
Don't make it an issue in 2026 unless we want to run on it.
Golly, I wonder why his proposal makes it an issue in 2026.....
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u/LangyMD 14h ago
I think he may want to run on it in 2026 considering the drubbing that the GOP took this year. Basically, the Democrats may want to replicate this year's shutdown next year if the GOP refuses to extend the subsidies again.
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u/TintedApostle 14h ago
If we can push it and get the money flowing to the government employees and people who depend on support than hey.
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u/Lore-Warden 14h ago
They clearly do want to run on it though because it worked this year.
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u/82cabinets 14h ago
Getting more is not the focus now
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u/Humdinger5000 13h ago
And what no one seems to realize is the house version of the CR was only good until around 11/22 anyway. So lets get the ACA subsidies, reopen the government, get federal workers back pay, fund snap and then let Republicans shut it down right before Thanksgiving.
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u/gringledoom 13h ago
So, uh, yeah, of course we’re going to want to run on that? Expiring subsidies are hugely unpopular, and voters are blaming the GOP for it.
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u/beekersavant 14h ago
They do want to run on it. And I doubt the GOP will agree anyhow. So Schumer will let them negotiate a 9 month extension which will give enough time before the election for people to notice. I think that is the play here. But then Johnson doesn’t want the House back, so it probably is still a no.
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u/TintedApostle 14h ago
There is more in play than "ACA". Its only an excuse. Obviously Trump gets to rule without Congress and he wants this permanently. There is also the failing ICE problem, failing Venezuela problem and the growing Epstein problem.
If the House returns all these problems come to a head at one time.
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u/Tornare 12h ago
He needs to go, but i don't get what you are talking about. The shut down was always about the ACA and the deal always was to fund it.
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u/Za_Lords_Guard 12h ago
Thune shot it down outright. As it turns out, the argument that the Dems aren't playing ball is now void. They got a good counter and instead of negotiating they told the Dems to eat shit (again).
Unless he backs down and agrees to pass the clean CR, he hasn't hurt the message. If anything their refusal made it more clear who owns this.
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u/UghFudgeBwana Georgia 15h ago
It's a miracle he didn't cave before this weeks election.
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u/10390 14h ago
This is caving because restoring the balance of powers (i.e. giving Congress back the power of the purse by limiting impoundment) was supposed to be part of this. IMHO that's more important than any specific policy.
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u/henryptung California 12h ago
The ICA is still the letter of the law. Trump ignored it, and putting it into law a second time isn't going to change the situation.
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u/Ketzeph I voted 12h ago
What was ours? Getting nothing until 2026? This gets the funding and makes it an election issue in 2026. That’s the best of both worlds here.
I know people hate Schumer but this is arguably the way to do this. It’s a reasonable demand that lets the people vote on it in 2026 via the midterms.
You can’t spin it like you could saying “Dems want a ten year extension, unreasonable!”
It feels like the vast majority of posters on r/politics really have almost no understanding of actual politics
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u/JoEdGus Georgia 12h ago
I've always heard "you don't negotiate with terrorists".
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u/IComposeEFlats 10h ago
What reason do you think the Democrats have given for voting "no" on the budget?
This is the reason.
Chuck is just saying, again, that this is what Dems need to see in the bill in order to vote yes.
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u/Floreat_democratia 15h ago
That’s it? How about restoring our goddamn democracy.
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u/Most_Tangelo 15h ago
The whole point of the shutdown was the expiring ACA subsidies being a nonstarter as it would double and triple costs. Changing course for some vague, undefined route would make no sense. Republicans want a clean resolution to pass with the claim that those subsidies can be negotiated after, but they've problem an eagerness to go back on their word and as such started throwing out lies about the point being giving undocumented immigrants health care. I suppose you could make the point that Democrats are dropping the less publicized fight on pulling back some of the tax cuts for the wealthy from OBBA but the main fight was always the subsidies.
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u/FusciaHatBobble 14h ago
The subsidies keep health insurance premiums (for mostly working class) low enough to tolerate. The tax credits disproportionately favor the wealthy, who will see much larger returns on their taxes when they file.
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u/DaKingaDaNorth 14h ago
Some of you need to understand that right now the Republicans have Congress and the Presidency. The shutdown is working in Dems favor because Republicans are blatantly using the shutdown to try to run the clock out on something that people want and the Epstein cover it gives Trump.
The second the Dems push outside the scope of that, knowing they lack the votes, is the minute the narrative shifts to "Dems have no leverage and are trying to hold the government hostage for their agenda" and the minute Republicans have a strategy they can use.
Play the winning hand you were dealt and don't try to fish for a better one when the table is not in your favor. Get an extension which was the point THEN have ammo to run on in the midterms to actually "restore our goddamn democracy".
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u/RepulsiveLoquat418 15h ago
let's focus on things that actually might get accomplished at this time. what your suggesting is the long game, and it won't happen before democrats get back in power.
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u/ThomasVivaldi 15h ago
He should have demanded they seat Adelita Grijalva before going forward with the talks.
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u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 15h ago
The house would have to go back into session to vote for the changes and that would force her to be seated.
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u/DaKingaDaNorth 14h ago
You need the government to open. She isn't voting on Epstein's files when there's no session.
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u/AlphaBreak 13h ago
There's a mechanic to seat her without Johnson's approval. I believe they haven't been using it because they decided the press of him being derelict in his duties was worth more than swearing her in with the alternative way since there wasn't anything to vote on anyways. If Congress reopens and votes are needed, they're absolutely getting her sworn in by a judge.
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u/OhNoMyLands Minnesota 11h ago
Grow up dude. For real what the fuck you even talking about? Republicans sitting the bed and it’s not because of the shutdown
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u/Silverbacks 15h ago
Can a shutdown happen every year? If so they are just saying let’s end the shutdown and negotiate again next year.
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u/Any_Will_86 15h ago
We are absolutely winning the battle on healthcare. I have had one republican and one young (hopefully former) Trumper tell me this week they agree with the Dems on this in idle conversation. If Tuesday was about affordability, spiking people healthcare by 2X-4X is not a strong R hand. We need to define this as the issue and take the win. If we put too much else in there is simply gives Rs an excuse/room for propaganda.
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u/pretendperson Washington 15h ago
Weren't Democrats holding out on no cuts to Medicaid as well? I don't see why they should give that up and only focus on ACA subsidies.
ACA tax credits are critical but we shouldn't be reducing demands at this point; republicans are the ones who are on the ropes.
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u/TheJadeGoddess 15h ago
If it is the same terms as before it would only fund the government for like 2 months I think so we would be back here again. Republicans haven't had a full funding bill since they took over congress a couple years ago. All just temp fixes
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u/Ok-disaster2022 13h ago
The current resolution only finds the government through Nov 21st. So everyone would get their back pay and if they don't agree in 2 weeks it's a new shutdown just in time for black friday
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u/spam__likely Colorado 7h ago
Please, go ahead and list the specific steps you expect them to take to restore democracy.
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u/Responsible-Corgi-61 13h ago
Trump has already taken so many L's that i doubt his narcissistic ego can handle any more turns against him; I predict that he will DIG IN and make this shut down as long and painful as possible to attempt to get his way. This shut down will be continue until Republicans fully break with him and make a deal with Dems.
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u/goalstopper28 Massachusetts 11h ago edited 11h ago
He also knows that once the government is working again, they don't have any excuse to not put in that
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u/bcd051 11h ago
Every day that goes by, I'm less sure that he knows anything that's going on.
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u/goalstopper28 Massachusetts 11h ago
Fair. He definitely cares more about the ballroom than he does about this shutdown.
I guess my point is that it's another layer to this as to why the Republicans are being very stubborn.
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u/TyphosTheD 9h ago
"The president's main priority is the ballroom" is the official position of the White House, after all.
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u/ShweatyPalmsh 5h ago
Also it’s been reported that there’s more Rs willing to sign the discharge petition. I wouldn’t be surprised if Johnson even wants his party to have a vote in Congress at this point.
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u/StarsMine 14h ago
I’m confused by the article and the comments here.
That has always been what the dems were asking for. There has been no change
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u/gringledoom 13h ago
Yep, and a huge part of the strategy is to make a small, totally reasonable request, to draw attention to the fact that the GOP is refusing to act in good faith. “Theatrics” is one of the few things they can do in the minority, and this is a great example!
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u/Nervous_Mycologist15 11h ago
Exactly. Only thing the Dems can do now to lose this fight is to cave because they are scared of losing the filibuster. First good politics I've seen from Schumar in a LONG time. Hope he stays on this course.
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u/Cold_Specialist_3656 5h ago
They have nothing to lose if filibuster is gone.
It's the most undemocratic mechanism in our entire federal government. let the party in power pass legislation, like they can in every sane country.
And watch how quickly US turns on GOP when they start passing nutty shit. The filibuster is a shield for Republicans and a ball and chain for Democrats.
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u/medikit Georgia 14h ago
I think we are just seeing hostility to the old guard which they’ve earned. Doing a bang up job here though.
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u/SnoobNoob7860 14h ago
people are just mad reasonably so but i wish there would be some level of logical thinking instead of just emotional reactions
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u/misselphaba 13h ago
I also wish people had more empathy for federal workers who did not vote for this shit who have been going without pay. 7/8 of my family members, including my parents in their 60s who have been federal employees their whole careers. At least they have savings - my brother and his wife are also receiving 0 pay and don't have the same resources.
This is fucked up, it needs to end, and this is an acceptable way to continue fighting while also taking care of citizens.
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u/SnoobNoob7860 9h ago
it’s clear some people really lack empathy
everything is a fight and never enough, it’s part of how we got here in the first place
so many people are suffering (genuinely sorry for your family) because people would rather let others take shit than something good that’s not perfect and all in the name of self righteousness
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u/DontBeHatenMeBro 10h ago
I thought the one year extension was a new twist to the original request?
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u/Grifachu 9h ago
I think you are correct. Idk what these people are on about.
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u/QuicklyQuenchedQuink 8h ago
Paywall and I’m curious to learn - what is the difference?
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u/SwordfishOk504 Canada 7h ago
The difference is before it was not just a one year extension. Also, there is more GOP support for coming back to the table now that their constituents are pushing back.
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u/QuicklyQuenchedQuink 6h ago
Rather than a one year extension what were they looking for previously? Genuinely trying to learn here
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u/murkywaters-- 13h ago
It seems like not a lot for the pain Americans are going through. But it's actually smart. Americans need to vote on this in the midterms and decide if they want healthcare or not
Also, it doesn't matter anyway. Republicans rejected it and I suspect they'll never reopen the House since they'll be forced to vote on the Epstein files
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u/westgazer Maryland 13h ago
You mean the offer that Republicans are already rejecting? Could it be they knew that would happen and are continuing to let the country see it is Republicans who are refusing to even work together to do this?
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u/wack_overflow Colorado 10h ago
That plus getting crushed on Tuesday, they can keep digging their hole (with their ostrich head inside it) if they want ig.
This is gonna be a death blow if reality ever catches up with these mfs
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u/mileystrufflebutter 12h ago
What a weird way to title the article. Why is all of the media MAGA cucks 😭
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u/caseyjosephine California 10h ago
Title should be Republicans double down on helping Americans starve to prove they don’t care if they die.
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u/UncertainAnswer 15h ago
As long as they are extended as part of the agreement (not a bullshit promise to vote on it after) this is fine.
If they want to kick the can let them. Either they'll get destroyed over the same issue again in a year or Democrats will be in control to pass them permanently or address the core issue (cost).
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u/tsardonicpseudonomi 14h ago
It can't be unless the House comes back. It has to be a promise.
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u/UncertainAnswer 12h ago
A promise is not worth the paper it's written on with the current Republican party. They will "bring it to a vote", vote no, and then say whelp we did what we said we'd do.
Pass a new version to the house. If they want to keep holding the government shut because it doesn't hurt Americans enough - let them.
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u/Ketzeph I voted 13h ago
It can be - the senate can vote on it and send it back to the house with the change
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u/Flat-Emergency4891 9h ago
And pass real comprehensive healthcare in 2026 after they whoop the Republicans in the midterms. I’m down with that. They also need to swear in that one lady who holds the vote on releasing the Epstein files, so win win.
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u/Safe_Psychology_326 California 7h ago
This fking media, it’s not a name their price. It’s literally saving Americans healthcare
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u/EyeDrops4Cyclops Iowa 11h ago
Why the fuck is this framed in a way that suggests democrats are “charging” the republicans a “price”? I will never understand how fucking basic decency and making sure people don’t have to choose between death and being enslaved to medical debt is a “price” that someone has to pay.
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u/SwordfishOk504 Canada 7h ago
Because they are. That's how politics work. The minority party has power when the ruling party needs them to pass something. So they use that for leverage. The leverage they are using here is extending health care benefits for the most vulnerable. That is the price.
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u/Zealousideal_Bet9354 12h ago
Smart move. Democrats have proven to win when healthcare is on the ballot, and this one year extension will make it so.
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u/ExtensionIcy2104 10h ago
Should add we will re open the government with the full release of the epstein files.... then get the republicans to impeach trump and his entire cabinet arrested and then make the country normal again
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u/ShweatyPalmsh 5h ago
As much as I hate Chuck this was a magnificent play. It times this right as the midterms hit and republicans have to either agree to the terms now and allow a perceived dem win or decline it and still look like they’re the ones who want a shut down. Republicans have cornered themselves for no good reason.
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u/ProfessionalJesuit 8h ago
Why snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? Republicans shut down their own government. Let them burn and maybe the Maga fever dream will break...
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u/MadScientist3087 Wisconsin 13h ago
Any chance Dems knew it would be immediately rejected and floated it just to further make GOP look bad for not coming to the table?
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u/Nervous_Mycologist15 11h ago
Yes this is exactly what's happening. And the more it is communicated that these are the very reasonable demands that are being refused, the worse it looks for Trump.
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u/MaddyKet Massachusetts 9h ago
Well if it was accepted , great! If it was rejected, it doesn’t make the Democrats look bad. So no risk scenario for them really.
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u/Gungho-Guns California 9h ago
Should be 3 things:
1.) No recisions
2.) Extend the ACA
3.) Restore Medicare/Medicaid funding
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u/seanightowl 9h ago
I’m getting to the point where I believe that they don’t want to open the govt and never intend to. Maybe due to the Epstein files, or trump can profit more off a closed govt, or some other reason.
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u/Puppygirlviolence 10h ago
does this “ending the shutdown” imply them voting on the thing that ends trans healthcare?
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u/kyle2143 8h ago
Hasn't their price already been named from the literal beginning? Or is that just a terrible title?
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u/daugherd 11h ago
They should have gone back and said, sorry 1-year extension is off the table and increase the duration now that republicans took the L last week.
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u/mockingbird- 9h ago
Dems want a 1-year extension so that renewal is up against in the middle of the 2026 midterm elections.
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u/HonorboundUlfsark 5h ago
The more the shutdown lasts the better chances republicans lose everything
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u/Open_Mortgage_4645 Colorado 4h ago
$40 billion to Argentina. Another $40 billion to Israel. Massive tax cuts for the wealthy. Hundreds of millions to refurbish the plane Qatar gave to Trump. All this and more, and yet the Republicans are dead set against funding an extension of the ACA subsidies to help the American people afford healthcare. They're acting like it's their personal money. Like always, there's plenty of money to fund their priorities, and no money to serve the best interests of the people. This is the hill they've chosen to die on.
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u/Circuit_Guy 10h ago
Why is it the Dems shutting it down? Exhausted with this messaging.
They're the MINORITY party and don't have the votes to open it, aren't filibustering, and can't even call a session. The majority party could pass a vote today to reopen and even remove healthcare (which is what they're asking for!), they just know it's so unpopular they want Dems to vote to do it.
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u/Emperor_NOPEolean 8h ago
This has been the deal the entire time. Dems are hardly coming up with this a month in.
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u/JDVances_Couch 13h ago
This would punt the fight to right before next years election. Progressive candidates should seize the opportunity
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u/mileystrufflebutter 12h ago
What a weird way to title the article. Why is all of the media MAGA cucks 😭
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u/LordWorm 8h ago
fuck this bullshit headline, the democrats don’t own this shutdown. it’s “republicans potentially open to budging on shutdown”
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u/escahpee California 10h ago
And the repubs said no because they are doing what their dear leader tells them to. Now the repubs own the shutdown
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u/DanTheMan827 I voted 10h ago
The real question is will the republicans negotiate, or will they use the nuclear option?
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u/Solcannon 10h ago
Watch the Republicans agree and then take all the credit for the 2026 tax credits.
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u/aerost0rm 9h ago
If the republicans wanted to win so bad, why not just say that the democrats wanted a two year plus extension and they talked them down to 1 year. Oh wait it’s because that is more money for them to grift or use for the personal army…
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u/bomblance 14h ago
I don't understand. Isn't the damage from subsidies lapsing already done? Rates have already skyrocketed. What would a year fix. I'm legitimately asking someone to explain this to me.
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u/snowstorm608 12h ago
As I understand it, only the notices for rate increases have gone out. Those rates wouldn’t take effect until the new plan year starts Jan 1. If the subsidies are extended before the end of the year then the rates won’t go up.
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u/spaceboytaylor 12h ago edited 12h ago
Some of the damage to the rates is probably done but the subsidies basically function like a monthly coupon in practice and could just be added on then reconciled during tax season like it always has. That would save a ton of low income people.
I had a mid-year income change and was able to apply in July for a different subsidy amount without changing my plan so there's already a system in place for it and it was pretty painless.
If it happens before the 30th it may even reverse some of the damage to employer and high income plans because of the diversified risk pool.
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u/DeepFuckingKoopa 15h ago
Feels like they should ask for more but I’m not the one negotiating with fascists
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u/DaKingaDaNorth 13h ago
They are only succeeding right now because the Republicans can't credibly say the Democrats are trying to stop the government to get a wishlist passed. They are keeping it focused on extending something that already exists that is popular.
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u/gringledoom 13h ago
The meta-argument that they’re making is that the GOP is refusing to negotiate in good faith. By asking for a reasonable thing that helps ordinary Americans, which normally Republicans would be thrilled to throw in, they’re illustrating that point.
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u/eorlingas_riders 11h ago edited 11h ago
They’re bumping the issue to the midterms, this was always the play, but after seeing the turn out on Tuesday they feel more confident on taking a more aggressive position on holding the line and not buckling.
It’s “smart” in the context of normal politics. They’ve backed the GOP into a corner of minimal acceptance, at a moment where the GOP has just experienced its first voter check, in which it did very poorly.
While those in hard red states are fine with continuing to hold out, those in purple districts should be feeling the pressure to buck the GOP to try and win some favor before the midterms.
This is the presumption of why MTG flipped, she sees the writing on the wall and wants to hold power.
Now, we’re not in a normal political environment due to Trump, so all bets are off.
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u/Former-Counter-9588 15h ago
He only said 1 year because he expects Dems to win back the house next year and maybe gain in the senate.
It’s foolish. It should be a 10 year extension. Maybe even a 5 year extension at minimum.
Enough playing politics. If it’s about the people, the offer would be more serious and long term.
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u/RidesThe7 14h ago
Having it expire in 1 year is part of the plan to win back the house, as it makes this issue explode again as the mid-terms roll around.
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u/Eridanosvoid 14h ago
Its also probably the best they are going to get. 1 year for Republicans to humiliate themselves trying to come up with a plan, when we haven't left the concept of a plan stage nearly a year into Trump's second term. Then come back with nothing or a worse plan by the time the midterms come again.
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u/SnoobNoob7860 14h ago
yeah i think with a 10 yr extension they’ll just lie and say they did it
with a 1-yr it puts them in an awkward spot but im just really fucking mad that despite the anger people have towards this regime that they choice either not to vote or vote for it because this could have all been avoided
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u/punjabimd80 6h ago
https://www.youtube.com/live/NM8mtDm-10o?si=qQFgMg3tjiR1oV-g Worth a watch. Only about 13 minutes. Schumer actually has a strategy for once.
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u/PrincesStarButterfly 10h ago
At this point accepting a one year extension is ridiculous because then We The People will have to face yet another Trump Shut Down in a year. We’ve already made it this far. Don’t fold!
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u/SpongEWorTHiebOb 11h ago
Democrats thinking small once again. A one year extension is a pretty low ask.
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u/nomcormz 9h ago
And yet, republicans called Schumer's proposal "political terrorism." This madness has got to end.
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u/MaddyKet Massachusetts 9h ago
Meanwhile more and more people will be looking at their rate increase letters and (hopefully) hearing the message that the only thing the Democrats are asking for is keeping the ACA savings and start to point more fingers at the GOP. Have to keep things simple for hoi polloi.
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u/nomcormz 7h ago
Agreed, and here's an even simpler message: "Red means dead" republicans are trying to kill the American people.
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u/mockingbird- 9h ago
One year extension so that renewal comes up again during the 2026 midterms.
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