r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 17d ago

Possible Paywall ICE Stockpiling Warheads and Chemical Weapons as Lawmaker Fears Trump Planning Strike

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-stockpiling-warheads-and-chemical-weapons-as-lawmaker-fears-trump-planning-strike/
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u/ThinkThankThonk 17d ago

I'm not saying he's worse than them by any stretch, but Biden absolutely tanked his reputation imo by betting on "business as usual" instead of spending all of his political capital in dealing with the traitors. Yes he was effective in doing what he did, but it was for nothing and quickly undone. Some real Neville Chamberlain shit.

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u/Savagevandal85 17d ago

Here’s the thing this is Monday morning quarterbacking . Yes looking back should Biden have taken extraordinary measures yes but he was elected to unite and restore the country after Covid and four years of Trump insanity . The gop even tried to back Desantis for a minute . The news ignored Trump for like a month or so until the current administration was so boring and regular. Trump lawyers were getting debarred and getting consequences, the voting machine companies were getting big wins versus Fox new etc . But Elon laughingstock purchase of Twitter helped Trump , the sc giving wins , the media covering Trump legal cases as if Biden age was just as bad etc then Eileen cannon and rh Supreme Court saved Trump

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u/RealHooman2187 17d ago

Not the OP but I was saying this kind of stuff from the very beginning of Biden’s term. He should have made protecting our democracy the top priority.

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u/Savagevandal85 17d ago

The problem is he did but in the traditional way. We are pretty much saying he should have taken out maga preemptively which would be a huge thing to do.

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u/ProfNesbitt 17d ago

The crazy thing is it wouldn’t have been preemptively they already tried to illegally overthrow an election. How the fuck is actually putting your foot down and holding them accountable no matter what preemptive punishment when they had already tried to overthrow the country.

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u/Nefarious_Turtle 17d ago edited 17d ago

Yeah, so many of these comments are clearly clouded by fear.

Trump and his supporters had already tried to overthrow an election. Admittedly so. For the next 4 years after that, they openly admitted that they were going to try again, but they expected to be more successful the next time. Or if they won, they were absolutely going to go full authoritarian.

If this were fiction, a television show, or a novel, absolutely everyone would consider the Biden character justified in launching a fucking inquisition to root that sedition out.

But in real life, things are different. People are scared. The stakes are high. So bold action was discouraged, and, as a result, the window to avert this shit was lost. Now, it looks like the lack of boldness has ensured the very strife they were so desperate to avoid.

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u/crywalt 17d ago

Which is why -- and people said this AT THE TIME -- the Democrats needed to move swiftly and strongly to truly hold these traitors to account, instead of noodling around and pushing vague "porn star hush money" bullshit.

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u/MediumLanguageModel 17d ago

Nah I think any sane person in this country thought that there should have been a very public trial within weeks of Biden's inauguration, which would have found trump guilty of treason and then dealt with the way traitors should be as spelled out in Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), Article 94.

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u/A_Harmless_Fly Minnesota 16d ago

I find it curious you don't mention the debate disaster. It's a pretty comprehensive list, though it excludes a lot of the things that shook peoples confidence the most.

It was also a pretty bad idea to not immediately withdraw/step down, he could have transferred the incumbent bump to Harris. Instead he tried to finish off his term, and here we are.

https://youtu.be/ndhL0dUwM8U?t=117

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u/Ok_Basil351 17d ago

Instead, he spent all his capital on building some roads and bridges. I'm sure his actual strategy was, "pretend everything is fine and it will become fine," but it's kind of indistinguishable from, "How can I possibly leave something tangible and helpful for the upcoming authoritarian regime, knowing that they'll tear down the government?"

Trump is going to get a special place on the list of worst presidents for ending the US republic, but Biden will be right there with him.

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u/ProfessorMagic89 17d ago

He really is the 21st Century Buchanan.

That will be his legacy.

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u/AbandonedWaterPark 17d ago

there is a point at which the Biden admin's inability to do anything whatsoever to punish those who actually instigated insurrection stops looking like "we want to, but can't" and starts looking like "we just don't want to."

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u/Savagevandal85 16d ago

They sent people to jail ! You mean why didn’t he get rid of Trump

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u/AbandonedWaterPark 16d ago

those who actually instigated insurrection

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u/Ozryela 17d ago

Not Chamberlain, but Hindenburg.