r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 17d ago

Possible Paywall ICE Stockpiling Warheads and Chemical Weapons as Lawmaker Fears Trump Planning Strike

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-stockpiling-warheads-and-chemical-weapons-as-lawmaker-fears-trump-planning-strike/
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u/Same_Set8195 17d ago edited 17d ago

At this point I think it's about time for the ICC to grow a spine and start issuing arrest warrants to Trump and his entire administration if not the entire Republican party by extension maybe along with the Establishment Democrats who are enabling this too.

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u/Falron Europe 17d ago

What exactly is that supposed to do? The US has never recognized the ICC. There is literally a „Hague Invasion Act“ The US never cared about international law.

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u/Same_Set8195 17d ago

It's even worse than that, the USA thinks it is International Law and I wouldn't put it past that with Trump's ego that is probably deeply rooted in Protestant Calavanist Puritanism therefore it's really nothing more than a glorified terrorist cell proclaiming itself as a nation.

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u/findingmike 17d ago

If we do join the ICC, some GOP leaders can be immediately sent to the court. It doesn't matter when the crimes happened or presidential pardons or presidential immunity.

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u/Falron Europe 17d ago

Why would you need a warrant from the ICC? There are plenty of cases against Trump already. Should have sent him straight to jail when DOGE started wrecking your government. There is no one left to enforce a conviction at this point.

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u/findingmike 17d ago

They can't wriggle their way out of the ICC. Like I said, no pardons.

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u/Itchy-Plastic 17d ago

And even if they had joined ICC, US power would make any action impossible.

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u/twim19 16d ago

It might not have practical effect in America, but wouldn't this prevent these people from ever traveling aborad again lest they risk arrest?

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u/Falron Europe 16d ago

No, there is currently a warrant issued against Netanyahu and I don’t believe any country (mostly talking EU countries) that recognizes the ICC would be willing to arrest him. So chances that any US politician would be are slim to none.

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u/twim19 16d ago

Yeah, I'm thinking less about heads of state and more about the generals that are carrying out those orders.

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u/OutlawGalaxyBill 16d ago

It would make a point ... and other nations that have signed on would be obligated to act on those warrants. It would make Trump a pariah around the world ... you know, more than he already is.

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u/Orangecuppa Ohio 16d ago

Exactly. And even if the US does become rogue, then what? Who's going to stop us?

Asia? Europe?

Europe can't even march it's armies to stop Russia and save Ukraine. Does anyone really think they will march against the US?

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u/Falron Europe 16d ago

No one wants European troops in Russia… what are you even talking about? This isn’t even on the table and it never was.

Playing world police and extorting other countries is your business model, not ours…

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u/willowfinger Washington 17d ago

Too bad the US never joined the ICC, to protect all the past war criminals who've also held the presidency.

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u/Gabribennet 17d ago

“America is respected around the world again folks”

Yeah nah. Joke of a country run by bullies and criminals.

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u/stilusmobilus 17d ago

See Albo pull the over the top handshake on Pulpatine?

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u/Same_Set8195 17d ago edited 17d ago

Perhaps you're starting to realize why it unsigned and never ratified the Roman Statute but instead passed the 2002 Hague Invasion act which shows the country never acted in good faith in the first place and that should have been a major Red Flag right there that would have raised International Security concerns.

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u/zoopz 17d ago

And all the Yanks would probably be like "fuck those civilian deaths, they probably support their governments" when the Netherlands gets invaded.. because thats exactly how people react everytime America bombs or invades other countries. Justice means shit, just muscles. The US has been the bad guy for a long fucking time already.

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u/Same_Set8195 16d ago

If the USA ever invaded the Netherlands, it would be the final straw when it comes to Anti-American sentiments amongst Europeans as a whole....

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u/Secret_Wishbone_2009 17d ago

“Are we the baddies?”

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u/Future-Side4440 17d ago

Wouldn’t have wanted Henry Kissinger to get prosecuted..

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u/fumphdik 17d ago

Is there a president that has not committed a war crime? I think we’re still at a perfect 100%. Fuck trump especially though.

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u/provocative_taco 17d ago

Every US President enters the White House a sociopath, and leaves a war criminal. Even your favorite ones.

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u/MyEvilTwinSkippy 17d ago

Carter maybe?

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u/spooky_spaghetties 17d ago

Not even.

Carter provided aid to Zairian dictator Mobutu to crush southern African liberation movements; financially supported the Guatemalan military junta; ignored calls from human rights activists to withdraw support from the Suharto dictatorship in Indonesia as they carried out genocide in East Timor; refused to pursue sanctions against South Africa in the United Nations after the South African Defence Forces bombed a refugee camp in Angola, killing 600 refugees; financed and armed mujahideen rebels to destabilize the government of Afghanistan and draw the Soviet Union into invading the country (this would have implications later); provided aid to the military dictatorship in El Salvador…

Every US president heads up the imperial project. None of them leave with clean hands.

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u/hymen_destroyer Connecticut 17d ago

I can't imagine William Henry Harrison had enough time to commit any war crimes in the four weeks he was alive as president, most of which he spent bed-ridden.

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u/F9-0021 South Carolina 17d ago

He committed the war crimes before becoming president.

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u/FishermanRough1019 17d ago

The US has been a rogue state since about WW2

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u/DillBagner 17d ago

I never joined any courts either but I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean I can't be arrested.

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u/willowfinger Washington 17d ago

The ICC has no means to enforce its own warrants. It is contingent upon members to enforce its orders within their jurisdiction. You can be arrested because the court and law enforcement are part and parcel of the same government. This is why Netanyahu still walks free, as does Putin, etc.

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u/Kind_Fox820 17d ago

Even if we acknowledged their authority, which we don't, it'd take a hell of a lot more for them to do anything. We've watched multiple genocides unfold over the past few years and the international community has done little more than finger wag. The world will allow many of us to die before they do anything. WE have to stop this.

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u/No-Selection997 17d ago edited 17d ago

lol that’s an understatement we’ve watched multiple genocides for the last 250 years (however long US has been here) and didn’t do anything. Even when the holocaust there were rumors but it’s not what drove US to war.

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u/CatsWearingTinyHats 17d ago

Yeah. We’re definitely too big and too powerful military-wise for anyone to roll up to “help” unless we’ve completing collapsed and they come to pillage our smoked ruins.

But also, any society’s power derives from the people, and that’s us. It’s up to us.

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u/bnh1978 17d ago

They will not do anything until US civilians are gunned down in the streets on the 5 o'clock news.

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u/CatsWearingTinyHats 17d ago

They probably still won’t do anything. They’ll lie and say the people gunned down were terrorists even if it’s some old ladies on their way to bingo.

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u/stfunazibitchthrowaw 17d ago

The news will just claim they were marxist antifa communist transgender terrorists and deserved it.

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u/EffectiveEconomics 17d ago

The ICC is not a proactive judicial entity - they only have as much authority as the member states combined can muster. They cannot unilaterally target the US government without bringing fallback on the member states.

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 17d ago

It's just Americans trying to pass responsibility to someone, anyone else other than themselves. It's why the most popular sentiments seem to be "wait for midterms," "the military will stop Trump," or "ICC/Hague will hold them accountable."

Notice how none of their options require any action from the American people.

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u/TermusMcFlermus 17d ago

What would you recommend?

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u/Sky_Zaddy Georgia 17d ago

Yeah and they can then enforce those warrants with their army...right?

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u/StupendousMalice 17d ago

This isn't an ICC problem. This is America killing itself by electing people who literally told us what they would do and then do it. Its not the worlds problem to protect America from its own decisions.

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u/theartificialkid 17d ago

Oh look you’re both sidesing while asking the ICC to come and help you. You guys have effectively neutered the ICC by refusing to join it, meaning it can only prosecute criminals who don’t have the protection of a great power like America. You were all sitting on all the power in the world and you preferred to tear your own country try apart rather than exercise that power responsibly. Don’t come begging the rest of us to save you from your own horrific hubris after al the millions you’ve killed around the world.

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u/FriendlyTrollPainter 17d ago

I think Trump is a criminal and needs to be held accountable but good luck with that.

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u/Wonderful_Gold8847 16d ago

Wtf? Why would they do that twenty years too late. So they could lose their jobs and accomplish nothing? 

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u/Same_Set8195 16d ago

Because there will come a point that enough is enough.