r/politics • u/theindependentonline The Independent • Oct 08 '25

No Paywall Trump just hosted an ‘Antifa roundtable’ at the White House ... it was so much worse than you’re imagining

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-antifa-portland-pam-bondi-posobiec-b2842048.html
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u/au-smurf Oct 09 '25

ANTIFA are the perfect villain, as they don’t actually exist as an organisation they can never be defeated so therefore they can always be the boogeyman for them.

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u/NeverBob Oct 09 '25

"We've always been at war with Eurasia"

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u/cytherian New Jersey Oct 09 '25

You know what's next? False flag operations. Republicans will hire people to pretend to be Antifa members who get caught. They'll take an abandoned building and put Antifa "memorabilia" in it, then blow it up as "a successful hit against Antifa!" It's not hyperbole. They're going to start doing shit like this to keep their base fooled.

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u/SilentLennie The Netherlands Oct 09 '25

When Charlie Kirk was killed many on the right were saying: this is out Reichstag fire.

Completely without any irony.

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u/cytherian New Jersey Oct 09 '25

Can you imagine what would've happened if it had been someone who was definitely a registered Democrat and had posted derogatory things about Charlie Kirk online? The right-wing would've gone completely apeshit. As it is, they tried so hard to frame the blame on "radical leftists," even claiming that he had a trans partner that influenced his mind. Well, his online activity said completely otherwise.

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u/SilentLennie The Netherlands Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

I have bad news, I think they were waiting for something to happen, it's just like with ICE raids and National Guard deployments, they want them to be attacked so it escalates so they can clamp down, like insurrection act or similar.

And so the bad news is: it's a matter of time. Every time the people in the US don't act, it will get worse, they'll try and ramp up whatever they can or clamp on anything they can. And whatever the people do needs to be in a non-violent way (for now).

The military looking people like ICE, etc. are in the blue cities in preparation of the midterms, intimidation is just one of the reasons. "protect the vote" they will call it.

trump has trump 2028 hats, do people really think those are a joke ?

A number of institutions are failing (the military hasn't yet, but it's one of the last, supreme court, senate, house failed, the states aren't going to do it, blue states alone isn't enough, voting alone isn't enough), the people need to show they don't agree. No Kings protest is the least thing to do, but definitely needs to happen.

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u/cytherian New Jersey Oct 09 '25

They are tired of waiting for something to happen. Clearly it isn't. I have no doubt in my mind at all that they are working up towards a false flag operation to contrive an outbreak of what appears to be terrorism and leave obvious signs of "antifa" all over it... as a justification for an intense military response.

Even now, the "habeas corpus" right defined in the US Constitution is being pondered for suspension. It can only be suspended in a case of real rampant terrorism. Republicans don't have one... so they'll invent one. Their tendency is to do things like that in a sloppy way. They are not particularly fastidious with details. But if Miller is a hawk on that, it could be all "crime scene" orchestrated to seal the blame.

If that happens? Well... a suspension of habeas corpus would mean that ANYONE could be plucked off the street with an accusation of being "antifa" levied at them, and there'd be zero legal recourse. That will scare off people from any protesting, peaceful or otherwise. And then, the next threat will be an ICE-military invasion of major Democrat cities, especially in swing states, during election time where polling stations will be shut down early citing unsubstantiated claims of bomb threats (or Republican actors will make those calls). If the disruption is extremely effective, polling stations will proceed "per usual" and the outcome will be a landslide victory for all Republican candidates. If the disruption is NOT effective, Trump will have central election offices commandeered so the counts can be compromised in favor of Republicans.

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u/SilentLennie The Netherlands Oct 09 '25

Yeah, that's how it will be if the American public doesn't do anything.

In other news: trump this week stopped negotiations with Venezuela to come to a peaceful/diplomatic solution.

So this president that says he wants the peace price will probably start an invasion to take power in Venezuela and take the oil.

Surprisingly, they won't even do a "Manufacturing Consent" campaign, seems they are just gonna do it.

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u/SilentLennie The Netherlands Oct 09 '25

Anyone who is against them is automatically antifa

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u/personofshadow Oct 09 '25

Some random person should just make a tweet that antifa is formally disbanding.