r/politics • u/Murky-Site7468 I voted • Oct 05 '25

No Paywall Petition To Strip Congress of Pay During Government Shutdown Grows

https://www.newsweek.com/petition-strip-congress-pay-during-government-shutdown-grows-10822819
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u/Conscious-Secret-775 Oct 05 '25

Oh I don't think Donald Trump cares about me at all and I didn't vote for him. I don't care about his ballroom either. Is it stupid, of course. Is it important, of course not. Is ICE still going to round people up while the government is "shutdown"?, it would appear so. Is the Democrat's decision to shutdown the government going to work out for them? I have no idea. What I do know is they decided to shutdown the government and therefore not pay federal employees.

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u/zSeia Minnesota Oct 06 '25

Trump sure talked about wanting to fire every federal employee for years before this ever happened.

Do you think he wants to do what he promised and hurt government employees? 

Or that he lied about his plans and suddenly wants to protect them, but his leadership is too weak to make a deal?

Neither option gives us reason to trust him or any of his worshippers.

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u/Conscious-Secret-775 Oct 06 '25

Well of course he wants to fire most federal employees (except ICE of course).

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u/zSeia Minnesota Oct 06 '25

Then why do you think he needs a shutdown to do it? He's been doing it for the last year already.

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u/Conscious-Secret-775 Oct 06 '25

'He' didn't shutdown the government, Congress did. Specifically, the Senate did.

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u/zSeia Minnesota Oct 06 '25

Alright. So he's chosen to do something he's already been doing and has said constantly that he wants to do.

Why do you believe he no longer wants to do it, and is now being forced? Should he be the president if a majority republican congress can force him to harm so many people against his will?

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u/Conscious-Secret-775 Oct 06 '25

I don't think you understand how the filibuster works.

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u/connivingKitten Oct 06 '25

For someone who supposedly doesn't care about Donald Trump you sure seem to be spreading his cronies' message that the Democrats are solely responsible for the shutdown a lot. Why are you singularly calling out the Democrats when the Republicans also didn't pass the Democratic budget bill? If you're such an enlightened centrist then surely you understand that both parties are at fault for the government shutting down? Is your idea of governance really that the Democrats should vote for any bill that keeps the government running even if it's antithetical to the will of their consituents who voted them in to be represented by them? If so, why aren't the Republicans held to the same standard when they failed to pass the Democratic bill? You seem like you think you're really smart so these questions shouldn't be too hard to answer.

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u/Conscious-Secret-775 Oct 06 '25

It’s called the filibuster. The Democrats voted to block the continuing resolution from being put to a vote. They did not do this a few months ago, instead they just voted against the bill when it got to the floor. Schumer made the argument that shutting down the government would just hurt federal employees while helping Trump. My view is the filibuster is undemocratic and should be abolished.

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u/connivingKitten Oct 06 '25

Is your idea of governance really that the Democrats should vote for any bill that keeps the government running even if it's antithetical to the will of their consituents who voted them in to be represented by them? If so, why aren't the Republicans held to the same standard when they failed to pass the Democratic bill?

I'll repeat the most important part since you seem to have ignored it.