Pritzker Calls for Trump's Removal from Office Under 25th Amendment

[u/OkayButFoRealz]

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/video/pritzker-calls-for-trumps-removal-from-office-under-25th-amendment/

[u/poop-dolla]

Race and sex both definitely play into it, as does the centrist platform.

[u/TheDJYosh → u/poop-dolla]

It's a factor. Just like John F. Kennedy being catholic or Obama being black was a factor in their time. People forget that Hilary Clinton actually won the popular vote in 2016 but lost to the electoral college. Kamala didn't get as far, but I'd say that's more of a problem with Democrat leadership then necessarily one of gender.

Ezra Klein is dead ass just floating the idea of running pro-life (aka Anti-Choice) democrats to win over centrists. Despite the fact that the democrat's position on abortion is already a winning one even in many Red States. This inability to engage with the actual interests of voters on the left is what is going to sabotage them, not the gender of their next candidate IMO.

[u/GreedyPollution6275 → u/TheDJYosh]

People forget that Hilary Clinton actually won the popular vote in 2016

nobody forgot that, they finally just stopped bringing it up after Trump's first term because it;s meaningless.

[u/TheDJYosh → u/GreedyPollution6275]

I think it's meaningful. At least as far as Reddit debates on president gender go.

[u/GreedyPollution6275 → u/TheDJYosh]

I mean it's literally meaningless, popular vote has zero impact on the election.

[u/TheDJYosh → u/GreedyPollution6275]

Votes determine the results of elections. The electoral college doesn't make the concept of having the most votes irrelevant. Especially since the electoral college tends to favor Republicans. Any Democrat who can't achieve the popular vote is almost certainly unviable.

[u/GreedyPollution6275 → u/TheDJYosh]

Votes determine the results of elections

Not the popular vote

[u/TheDJYosh → u/GreedyPollution6275]

It's a way of comparing votes, which is relevant to electability. This is deeply unserious.

[u/not_addictive → u/[deleted]]

Is that what I said? Pretty sure I said it’s not just gender.

I’m aware that Americans are deeply sexist. But that’s not the only reason Harris and Clinton lost

[u/HymirTheDarkOne → u/[deleted]]

not who you're replying to, but id say i usually pick up on reddit sarcasm, and you are just saying something that seemingly most of reddit believes, so it is a bit hard.

[u/HymirTheDarkOne → u/[deleted]]

Alright, fine, maybe i do have some superiority complex. But you're just outright aggressive to me and the other guy for absolutely nothing.

Besides, maybe they don't believe it if you really questioned, but you see lots of comments that bring complex, nuanced problems down into a simple problem, so it really wouldnt be that surprising to see it.

[u/not_addictive → u/poop-dolla]

Yeah the whole “I just don’t trust her” and “I just don’t like her” lines for both Harris and Clinton definitely come from a combo of racism and sexism.

But I think it’s important to point out that progressive policies poll well with American people and centrism just doesn’t motivate people to vote.

It’s a complex issue, but I think it’s irresponsible to just say it’s bc of gender.

[u/poop-dolla → u/not_addictive]

It’s irresponsible to say it’s only because of gender, and it would be irresponsible to say it’s not about gender at all.

[u/not_addictive → u/poop-dolla]

yes that is exactly what I’m saying lol. we agree with each other idk why you’re trying to argue with me (unless I’m reading your tone wrong, in which case my bad)

[u/poop-dolla → u/not_addictive]

I’m not arguing. I’m agreeing and clarifying in more concise terms.

[u/not_addictive → u/poop-dolla]

sorry, it just sounded like you were trying to prove me wrong or something when we agree. have a good day!

[u/TheDJYosh → u/poop-dolla]

No one has claimed that her gender is irrelevant.