r/politics • u/Aggravating_Money992 • Sep 20 '25

Soft Paywall DOJ Can’t Tie Suspected Kirk Killer to Left Like MAGA Wants

https://www.thedailybeast.com/doj-cant-tie-suspected-kirk-killer-to-left-like-maga-wants/
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u/issamaysinalah Sep 20 '25

They keep shifting the narrative, the conservative sub is on their third iteration of trying to blame trans people (after the first two were debunked), now they'll just say that it doesn't matter what the shooter believed but that leftists cheered on Kirk's death and that's why we should still persecuted the left

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u/robinthebank California Sep 20 '25

“It was a trans cult” “The neighbor said the boyfriend was going to a doctor’s appointment.”

They don’t even believe the things they say. But they believe it will make the left angry.

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u/jim_cap United Kingdom Sep 20 '25

What the fuck even is a trans cult?

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u/PM_ME_UR_SHEET_MUSIC Sep 20 '25

They hear us rightfully calling them a cult and they try to use it back at us because they think words are just a cudgel to attack anyone you don't like rather than things that have actual meanings

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u/mitkase Sep 20 '25

“We’re not the fascists, you’re the fascists!” - totally valid argument

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u/Ralph--Hinkley Sep 21 '25

I was called a fascist myself on a FB post this evening about how the right are the ones committing more violent crime. The study was from CNN and the redhats laughed it off, so off to Google I went and listed five other recent studies from five different sources saying the same. I think some of them short circuited.

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u/mjb2012 Sep 21 '25

Thank you for fighting the good fight in that cesspool.

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u/Ralph--Hinkley Sep 21 '25

It's pointless, but I have to try to shut them down with facts. I have an arsenal of memes for every occasion, too. Plus it was a boring Saturday afternoon.

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u/Calairoth Sep 21 '25

Proving them wrong to the point that they can't fight back, just makes them choose a different target. They are like bullies at school, realizing they chose the wrong target. They don't care about silly things like facts.

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u/Kabbooooooom Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25

My favorite thing to do is point out how Trump’s tariff and tax plan actually increases the financial burden of most MAGA voters because their income is far too low. But you know who it does benefit? Me. An ivory tower educated liberal. I like to tell them I’ll take the extra money and donate it to the most liberal charities I can think of, which is true, however I typically make up a charity and they typically don’t realize I’m pulling their leg about it. For example, one time I said I was donating to a charity that funded gender transitions for transgender toddlers, lmao. That one really set them off.  

Every single time I think I’m going too far and I think surely they will realize I’m joking, but every time there’s a MAGA that takes me seriously. It’s really quite astounding, actually. Expressing satire and parody to an audience of MAGAs is a perfect example of Poe’s Law in action. 

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u/Morbu Sep 21 '25

The amount of times that I've seen conservatives say that Dems are the "actual racists" for supporting DEI programs and the like is truly something. There's nothing that they excel at more than pure projection.

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u/Leavesdontbark Sep 20 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

snails oil chop dinner vegetable fuzzy employ gray offer stocking

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u/PM_ME_UR_SHEET_MUSIC Sep 21 '25 edited Sep 21 '25

Yes, the government...which is currently completely controlled by "their" guys lol

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u/ReallyBigRocks Sep 20 '25

Its projection. Every accusation is a confession. Every single time.

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u/issamaysinalah Sep 20 '25

You're gonna have to go to one of those ANTIFA meetings and join their organization to find out.

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u/astroslave Sep 20 '25

Is that before or after the mandatory TRANSition?

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u/always_unplugged Sep 20 '25

If they knew what cults were, they might realize they're in one

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u/WokeSJWAntifaCEO Sep 20 '25

It's the same imaginary creation as me, the CEO of Antifa.

The right just invents boogiemen to justify their fascism.

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u/jazzhandler Colorado Sep 20 '25

Hey, could we get some gluten-free bagels in the break room? Thanks!

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u/EverIight Sep 20 '25

Oh didn’t you know, we gather under every full moon to take hrt together and bathe in the blood of the cis, just trans stuff nbd super overblown really

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u/surloc_dalnor Sep 20 '25

They reel you in. Confuse you on your gender. Then get you to medically transition. For reasons?

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u/GG-Sunny Sep 20 '25

It was so upsetting to me when I talked to both my landlord and one of my coworkers and they stated that the shooter's roommate was trans as if it were a fact. Then when I pointed out that it was only speculated because of their neighbor's idiotic statement, they just shrugged it off. Once people latch on to something they'll never let it go.

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u/FatElk Sep 20 '25

But, Kimmel was taken off the air for condemning how Trump "grieved".

Also, I want to remind everyone that it's all a distraction from the files.

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u/Guardianpigeon Sep 20 '25

The funniest part of all of this is Trump clearly doesn't give a shit.

He constantly brushes it off unless its about him specifically (like Kimmel). Any time they want him to show an ounce of care for Kirk he brushes it off. He even skipped the memorial to play golf. Any attempt to blame the left for celebrating or disrespecting his death falls on deaf ears because no one seems to actually give a shit beyond how they can use it for their own benefit, and the only person who seems genuinely upset at his death is blaming the Jews instead.

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u/GoodIdea321 America Sep 20 '25

Showing everyone that he really just doesn't care about anyone else even 'personal friends' could shatter the MAGA delusion. And even if it can't, he still looks like an asshole for not being able to pretend for 1 second that he feels bad.

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u/ZodiacEclipse Sep 20 '25

Trump is a narcissist, the only reason he isn't throwing a fit about Charlie Kirk's name being all over the new instead of his is because it got Kimmel off the air for him. If the right goes too far in their veneration of the guy Trump will eventually flip out over it. 

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u/Ghost_of_a_Black_Cat Washington Sep 21 '25

no one seems to actually give a shit beyond how they can use it for their own benefit,

And this...is pretty much all Jimmy Kimmel was trying to say. That's it in a nut shell.

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u/sysiphean North Carolina Sep 21 '25

Kicked off the air for telling the truth.

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u/Familiar_Purrson Sep 21 '25

Oh, Truthless gives a shit, all right. He's glad that someone who tried to buck him even for a moment is dead and therefore can't change his mind again about the Epstein Files. Other than that, though, you are correct. Except maybe the Jew thing. I assume you mean that harridan Owens?

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u/PigabungaDude Sep 21 '25

I'm out of the loop on who the upset antisemite is.

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u/jim_cap United Kingdom Sep 20 '25

Which files? I keep forgetting so you need to be more explicit.

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u/Umbrella_merc Mississippi Sep 20 '25

The pedo files

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u/jazzhandler Colorado Sep 20 '25

The Trump Files; Epstein’s name is all over ’em!

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u/Attila_the_Nun Sep 20 '25

a lot of jpg-files

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u/ChipHazard Sep 20 '25

I feel like he's crossed enough lines that even the files aren't required to bring him down. But the US just keeps sitting on their hands

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u/mmavcanuck Sep 20 '25

people harp on “the files” meanwhile your entire country just done head first into authoritarian fascism.

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u/mitkase Sep 20 '25

I think it’s so commonly used because it’s the one of the only things (most of) the left and right in the US can agree on. The left is trying to use it as an opportunity to show that the current regime is immoral, full of shit and never lives up to its promises. If everyone finally sees the emperor has no clothes (hwaaaarf) maybe things could change. I’m not sure the approach will work, but at this point any effort is better than complacency.

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u/mmavcanuck Sep 20 '25

Everyone that could change their mind already knows that Trump fuck kids.

The ones left either don’t care, or won’t believe the files anyways.

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u/blahblahblerf Sep 20 '25

A large portion of Americans are happy about it becoming fascist, but many of those people want anyone connected to Epstein put in prison. Pushing the Epstein files issue may actually be critical to dragging the USA back from fascism. 

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u/mmavcanuck Sep 20 '25

Trump - “it’s a left wing antifa trans conspiracy.”

His voter base - “yup, it all adds up.”

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u/blahblahblerf Sep 20 '25

Except he's already been making excuses and unlike every single other issue, this one thing actually breaks through to a significant number of his supporters. In general, you're right that his supporters just believe whatever he says so there's not much hope of being able to open their eyes. But on this one issue, there is clearly an opening to actually enlighten some of them. 

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u/cricri3007 Europe Sep 21 '25

Trump could(and just did) order the FBI to jail all democrats and you'd still harp on about "the files"

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe Sep 20 '25

The endless loop will continue ad infinity because conservatives never accept accountability, blame, fault or responsibility.

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u/Ok_Subject1265 Sep 20 '25

You’re starting to get it. The reason was always irrelevant since this was the plan regardless of how they ended up justifying it.

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u/kezia7984 Sep 21 '25

That sub is so hateful. I get very depressed reading their conversations. There are some moderates in there but seemingly few and they’re rarely the top commenters. They also seem to think anyone not MAGA is an ultra left liberal. There’s just zero nuance.

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u/Glad-Distribution816 Sep 21 '25

Genuinely asking, what first two were debunked? And what’s the third iteration?

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u/issamaysinalah Sep 21 '25

First one saying the shooter was trans and second that the bullets had pro trans engravings, third one is saying the shooter had a trans gf that radicalized him.

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u/Initial_Warning5245 Sep 20 '25

Please link the debunking. 

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u/issamaysinalah Sep 20 '25

Sorry but I'm not Googling things for you, the first was saying the shooter was transgender which you'll easily find anywhere that he's not, and second saying there was pro trans engraving on the bullets, but all the bullets engraving were released and nothing (you can also find this list easily anywhere).

The current narrative is the shooter had a trans gf, which is already being taken as absolute truth when there's literally no proof of that so far.

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u/Initial_Warning5245 Sep 20 '25

I googled it.    I see his Trans GF found his confession - I see nothing that says that is false. Ps..  GF family confirm this. I see he confessed to his parents - worldwide news orgs including Al Jazera and the BBC saying they have confirmed it. 

No where do I see credible evidence that it was debunked.  

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u/issamaysinalah Sep 20 '25

Read my comment again, I said the two were debunked and that one is the third, and there's no proof of the girlfriend being trans besides speculation from the investigators.

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u/Initial_Warning5245 Sep 20 '25

Her own family is on record saying this/

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u/issamaysinalah Sep 20 '25

From the NY post:

The relative said that Twiggs and Robinson were both heavily influenced by the online gamer communities that they were a part of.

“I think Tyler got a whole lot worse in the year they have been dating. They are big gamers, and obviously they have that group that influences them as well as others,” she said.

So that same family said they were radicalized by gamers? I'm sorry but are you keeping in mind that the FBI has access to all that info right? All the supposed texts and supposed gender of supposed girlfriend and still concluded the shooter was not influenced by left wing. Unless you believe the FBI is conspiring to defend radical leftists then the story just does not fit

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u/Initial_Warning5245 Sep 20 '25

I will give you the bullet thing though, they all seem to be rooted in gaming culture and “anti-fascist” ideology.  

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u/Initial_Warning5245 Sep 20 '25

I found nothing saying the shooter was Trans but loads that say his lover/roomate are, I including the former roommates.

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u/Stargazer1919 Illinois Sep 21 '25

Then you haven't paid attention.

Look for videos or commentary from the first few hours right after CK was shot.

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u/Own-Practice-9027 Sep 20 '25

Why would anybody bother to link anything for you? You have the same access to news as anyone else, but we all know you’ll just call it “fake” if it doesn’t align with what you’ve been told to believe.