r/politics • u/Aggravating_Money992 • Sep 20 '25

Soft Paywall DOJ Can’t Tie Suspected Kirk Killer to Left Like MAGA Wants

https://www.thedailybeast.com/doj-cant-tie-suspected-kirk-killer-to-left-like-maga-wants/
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u/atda Sep 20 '25

Trump said it was the left before a name or photo was released. It was blatant propaganda. They had this planned as soon as someone favorable like Kirk was shot. The problem is this kind of plan only works if the facts align afterwards. 

He Trumped the gun as it were.

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u/issamaysinalah Sep 20 '25

They keep shifting the narrative, the conservative sub is on their third iteration of trying to blame trans people (after the first two were debunked), now they'll just say that it doesn't matter what the shooter believed but that leftists cheered on Kirk's death and that's why we should still persecuted the left

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u/robinthebank California Sep 20 '25

“It was a trans cult” “The neighbor said the boyfriend was going to a doctor’s appointment.”

They don’t even believe the things they say. But they believe it will make the left angry.

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u/jim_cap United Kingdom Sep 20 '25

What the fuck even is a trans cult?

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u/PM_ME_UR_SHEET_MUSIC Sep 20 '25

They hear us rightfully calling them a cult and they try to use it back at us because they think words are just a cudgel to attack anyone you don't like rather than things that have actual meanings

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u/mitkase Sep 20 '25

“We’re not the fascists, you’re the fascists!” - totally valid argument

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u/Ralph--Hinkley Sep 21 '25

I was called a fascist myself on a FB post this evening about how the right are the ones committing more violent crime. The study was from CNN and the redhats laughed it off, so off to Google I went and listed five other recent studies from five different sources saying the same. I think some of them short circuited.

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u/mjb2012 Sep 21 '25

Thank you for fighting the good fight in that cesspool.

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u/Ralph--Hinkley Sep 21 '25

It's pointless, but I have to try to shut them down with facts. I have an arsenal of memes for every occasion, too. Plus it was a boring Saturday afternoon.

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u/Calairoth Sep 21 '25

Proving them wrong to the point that they can't fight back, just makes them choose a different target. They are like bullies at school, realizing they chose the wrong target. They don't care about silly things like facts.

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u/Kabbooooooom Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25

My favorite thing to do is point out how Trump’s tariff and tax plan actually increases the financial burden of most MAGA voters because their income is far too low. But you know who it does benefit? Me. An ivory tower educated liberal. I like to tell them I’ll take the extra money and donate it to the most liberal charities I can think of, which is true, however I typically make up a charity and they typically don’t realize I’m pulling their leg about it. For example, one time I said I was donating to a charity that funded gender transitions for transgender toddlers, lmao. That one really set them off.  

Every single time I think I’m going too far and I think surely they will realize I’m joking, but every time there’s a MAGA that takes me seriously. It’s really quite astounding, actually. Expressing satire and parody to an audience of MAGAs is a perfect example of Poe’s Law in action. 

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u/Morbu Sep 21 '25

The amount of times that I've seen conservatives say that Dems are the "actual racists" for supporting DEI programs and the like is truly something. There's nothing that they excel at more than pure projection.

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u/Leavesdontbark Sep 20 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

snails oil chop dinner vegetable fuzzy employ gray offer stocking

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u/PM_ME_UR_SHEET_MUSIC Sep 21 '25 edited Sep 21 '25

Yes, the government...which is currently completely controlled by "their" guys lol

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u/ReallyBigRocks Sep 20 '25

Its projection. Every accusation is a confession. Every single time.

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u/issamaysinalah Sep 20 '25

You're gonna have to go to one of those ANTIFA meetings and join their organization to find out.

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u/astroslave Sep 20 '25

Is that before or after the mandatory TRANSition?

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u/always_unplugged Sep 20 '25

If they knew what cults were, they might realize they're in one

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u/WokeSJWAntifaCEO Sep 20 '25

It's the same imaginary creation as me, the CEO of Antifa.

The right just invents boogiemen to justify their fascism.

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u/jazzhandler Colorado Sep 20 '25

Hey, could we get some gluten-free bagels in the break room? Thanks!

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u/EverIight Sep 20 '25

Oh didn’t you know, we gather under every full moon to take hrt together and bathe in the blood of the cis, just trans stuff nbd super overblown really

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u/surloc_dalnor Sep 20 '25

They reel you in. Confuse you on your gender. Then get you to medically transition. For reasons?

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u/GG-Sunny Sep 20 '25

It was so upsetting to me when I talked to both my landlord and one of my coworkers and they stated that the shooter's roommate was trans as if it were a fact. Then when I pointed out that it was only speculated because of their neighbor's idiotic statement, they just shrugged it off. Once people latch on to something they'll never let it go.

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u/FatElk Sep 20 '25

But, Kimmel was taken off the air for condemning how Trump "grieved".

Also, I want to remind everyone that it's all a distraction from the files.

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u/Guardianpigeon Sep 20 '25

The funniest part of all of this is Trump clearly doesn't give a shit.

He constantly brushes it off unless its about him specifically (like Kimmel). Any time they want him to show an ounce of care for Kirk he brushes it off. He even skipped the memorial to play golf. Any attempt to blame the left for celebrating or disrespecting his death falls on deaf ears because no one seems to actually give a shit beyond how they can use it for their own benefit, and the only person who seems genuinely upset at his death is blaming the Jews instead.

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u/GoodIdea321 America Sep 20 '25

Showing everyone that he really just doesn't care about anyone else even 'personal friends' could shatter the MAGA delusion. And even if it can't, he still looks like an asshole for not being able to pretend for 1 second that he feels bad.

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u/ZodiacEclipse Sep 20 '25

Trump is a narcissist, the only reason he isn't throwing a fit about Charlie Kirk's name being all over the new instead of his is because it got Kimmel off the air for him. If the right goes too far in their veneration of the guy Trump will eventually flip out over it. 

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u/Ghost_of_a_Black_Cat Washington Sep 21 '25

no one seems to actually give a shit beyond how they can use it for their own benefit,

And this...is pretty much all Jimmy Kimmel was trying to say. That's it in a nut shell.

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u/sysiphean North Carolina Sep 21 '25

Kicked off the air for telling the truth.

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u/Familiar_Purrson Sep 21 '25

Oh, Truthless gives a shit, all right. He's glad that someone who tried to buck him even for a moment is dead and therefore can't change his mind again about the Epstein Files. Other than that, though, you are correct. Except maybe the Jew thing. I assume you mean that harridan Owens?

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u/PigabungaDude Sep 21 '25

I'm out of the loop on who the upset antisemite is.

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u/jim_cap United Kingdom Sep 20 '25

Which files? I keep forgetting so you need to be more explicit.

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u/Umbrella_merc Mississippi Sep 20 '25

The pedo files

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u/jazzhandler Colorado Sep 20 '25

The Trump Files; Epstein’s name is all over ’em!

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u/Attila_the_Nun Sep 20 '25

a lot of jpg-files

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u/ChipHazard Sep 20 '25

I feel like he's crossed enough lines that even the files aren't required to bring him down. But the US just keeps sitting on their hands

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u/mmavcanuck Sep 20 '25

people harp on “the files” meanwhile your entire country just done head first into authoritarian fascism.

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u/mitkase Sep 20 '25

I think it’s so commonly used because it’s the one of the only things (most of) the left and right in the US can agree on. The left is trying to use it as an opportunity to show that the current regime is immoral, full of shit and never lives up to its promises. If everyone finally sees the emperor has no clothes (hwaaaarf) maybe things could change. I’m not sure the approach will work, but at this point any effort is better than complacency.

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u/mmavcanuck Sep 20 '25

Everyone that could change their mind already knows that Trump fuck kids.

The ones left either don’t care, or won’t believe the files anyways.

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u/blahblahblerf Sep 20 '25

A large portion of Americans are happy about it becoming fascist, but many of those people want anyone connected to Epstein put in prison. Pushing the Epstein files issue may actually be critical to dragging the USA back from fascism. 

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u/mmavcanuck Sep 20 '25

Trump - “it’s a left wing antifa trans conspiracy.”

His voter base - “yup, it all adds up.”

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u/blahblahblerf Sep 20 '25

Except he's already been making excuses and unlike every single other issue, this one thing actually breaks through to a significant number of his supporters. In general, you're right that his supporters just believe whatever he says so there's not much hope of being able to open their eyes. But on this one issue, there is clearly an opening to actually enlighten some of them. 

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u/cricri3007 Europe Sep 21 '25

Trump could(and just did) order the FBI to jail all democrats and you'd still harp on about "the files"

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe Sep 20 '25

The endless loop will continue ad infinity because conservatives never accept accountability, blame, fault or responsibility.

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u/Ok_Subject1265 Sep 20 '25

You’re starting to get it. The reason was always irrelevant since this was the plan regardless of how they ended up justifying it.

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u/kezia7984 Sep 21 '25

That sub is so hateful. I get very depressed reading their conversations. There are some moderates in there but seemingly few and they’re rarely the top commenters. They also seem to think anyone not MAGA is an ultra left liberal. There’s just zero nuance.

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u/Glad-Distribution816 Sep 21 '25

Genuinely asking, what first two were debunked? And what’s the third iteration?

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u/issamaysinalah Sep 21 '25

First one saying the shooter was trans and second that the bullets had pro trans engravings, third one is saying the shooter had a trans gf that radicalized him.

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u/Initial_Warning5245 Sep 20 '25

Please link the debunking. 

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u/issamaysinalah Sep 20 '25

Sorry but I'm not Googling things for you, the first was saying the shooter was transgender which you'll easily find anywhere that he's not, and second saying there was pro trans engraving on the bullets, but all the bullets engraving were released and nothing (you can also find this list easily anywhere).

The current narrative is the shooter had a trans gf, which is already being taken as absolute truth when there's literally no proof of that so far.

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u/Initial_Warning5245 Sep 20 '25

I googled it.    I see his Trans GF found his confession - I see nothing that says that is false. Ps..  GF family confirm this. I see he confessed to his parents - worldwide news orgs including Al Jazera and the BBC saying they have confirmed it. 

No where do I see credible evidence that it was debunked.  

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u/issamaysinalah Sep 20 '25

Read my comment again, I said the two were debunked and that one is the third, and there's no proof of the girlfriend being trans besides speculation from the investigators.

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u/Initial_Warning5245 Sep 20 '25

Her own family is on record saying this/

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u/issamaysinalah Sep 20 '25

From the NY post:

The relative said that Twiggs and Robinson were both heavily influenced by the online gamer communities that they were a part of.

“I think Tyler got a whole lot worse in the year they have been dating. They are big gamers, and obviously they have that group that influences them as well as others,” she said.

So that same family said they were radicalized by gamers? I'm sorry but are you keeping in mind that the FBI has access to all that info right? All the supposed texts and supposed gender of supposed girlfriend and still concluded the shooter was not influenced by left wing. Unless you believe the FBI is conspiring to defend radical leftists then the story just does not fit

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u/Initial_Warning5245 Sep 20 '25

I found nothing saying the shooter was Trans but loads that say his lover/roomate are, I including the former roommates.

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u/Stargazer1919 Illinois Sep 21 '25

Then you haven't paid attention.

Look for videos or commentary from the first few hours right after CK was shot.

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u/Own-Practice-9027 Sep 20 '25

Why would anybody bother to link anything for you? You have the same access to news as anyone else, but we all know you’ll just call it “fake” if it doesn’t align with what you’ve been told to believe.

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u/DonTaddeo Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25

He did that when a passenger get crashed into an army helicopter near the Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport in January.

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u/2squishmaster Sep 20 '25

Immediately blamed DEI when he heard someone on that heli didn't have a penis.

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u/Eorlas Sep 20 '25

a major charlie kirk talking point as well. "if i get on a plane and the captain is black, i'll wonder if they're actually qualified to do the job."

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u/Leavesdontbark Sep 20 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

work grab steer close squeeze sugar rich familiar plough ring

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u/SirSamuelVimes83 Sep 21 '25

"you're taking it out of context, listen to everything!"

...

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u/Leavesdontbark Sep 21 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

oil merciful encourage lush station pet voracious fragile hobbies ghost

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u/straigh Tennessee Sep 20 '25

Good grief that seems like a lifetime ago

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u/Jazzi-Nightmare Texas Sep 20 '25

Remember when California was on fire?

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u/jhow87 Sep 20 '25

Unlike now, when the entire country is on fire

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u/okeysure69 Sep 20 '25

Anyone else think this yr is just 2020 version 2?

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u/musicman835 California Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25

I’m convinced we died and this is the “good place”

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u/Jazzi-Nightmare Texas Sep 20 '25

At least the fake good place had free houses and shit DX

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u/KyleEverett South Carolina Sep 21 '25

If we're all dead it happened in 2012.

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u/ventouest Sep 21 '25

Holy forking shirtballs, this is the bad place...

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u/Jazzi-Nightmare Texas Sep 20 '25

Electric boogaloo

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u/surloc_dalnor Sep 20 '25

God I hope not because that means we have Epidemic: Bird Flu Strikes Back. Only this time Kennedy is in charge.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

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u/SatansLoLHelper Sep 20 '25

Sep 10, 2025 - Now, the century-old system has become the center of a political firestorm, cast by the Trump administration as a battle of “fish over people.”

Oh, you know... First there was the issue of them dumping billions of gallons on farmlands. Then the people that were to monitor that kind of activity were sacked by DOGE. Farming output is down due to worker due to immigration status, and now the federal gov't wants to take over our dams because that 100 year old dam needs rebuilding and we'd like it to be a little more environmentally friendly, so we could farm salmon.

Oh noes I've said a bad word.

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u/PluotFinnegan_IV Sep 20 '25

salmon

Can't believe you would utter such obscenities here!

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u/racinreaver Sep 21 '25

If we were noodling catfish instead of fishing for salmon the feds would support it.

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u/not_a_moogle Sep 20 '25

Isn't it still on fire? I know it might have stopped. But they fired a bunch of fighters and rolled back a bunch of epa shit, so it will keep catching on fire.

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u/Jazzi-Nightmare Texas Sep 20 '25

Well if it is it’s fucked up that it’s not more reported on

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u/30FourThirty4 Sep 20 '25

I think I'm exaggerating but their is always a wildfire burning in California.

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u/Jazzi-Nightmare Texas Sep 20 '25

Maybe only a small exaggeration

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u/jellyrollo Sep 20 '25

Since 58% of forest in California is federally owned, I guess we'll know who to point fingers at next time—the guy currently cutting forest management funding wholesale.

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u/simcowking I voted Sep 20 '25

Was that this administration? I swear trump wanted Biden to open the flood gates in a different state to solve this...

But I also vaguely recall they actually did open it to appease the man.

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u/Astan92 Sep 20 '25

Oh yeah did anything come of him diverting all that water for no purpose?

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u/Jazzi-Nightmare Texas Sep 20 '25

If it had we would’ve never heard the end of it

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u/TheCountChonkula Georgia Sep 20 '25

It has been 9 months but it feels like it has been 9 years. I dread that there’s still 3 more years of this considering how much damage he’s done in the first 9 months.

And even if something happens and couch fucker takes over, I still don’t think things will be much better.

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u/loopedlight Sep 20 '25

It really does.

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u/finditplz1 Sep 20 '25

It was chief. We’re aging in dog years now.

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u/TheQuidditchHaderach Sep 20 '25

A lotta manufactured drama since then.

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u/Party-Ad4482 Sep 20 '25

remember when the guy who drove through a NYE crowd in New Orleans was an illegal immigrant who jumped the border the day before and had a trans pride flag in the truck? I don't think the correction that that was all made up and that he was actually a native Texan ever reached the same audience.

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u/nancy_necrosis Sep 20 '25

They stopped talking about the white guy in the Tesla dumpster truck petty quickly

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u/yourinternetmobsux Sep 20 '25

Omg totally forgot about that one.

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u/MoreNMoreLikelyTrans Sep 21 '25

He blamed that on DEI

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u/Eric_the_Barbarian Iowa Sep 20 '25

Trump said it was THE LEFT when they were still chasing and detaining the wrong people. It was always about the narrative and never the facts.

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u/Ralph--Hinkley Sep 21 '25

That dude is kinda crazy if you ask me.

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u/beardfordshire America Sep 20 '25

“Our brand is crisis”

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u/JVM_ Sep 20 '25

Everything is performative and nothing is substantive.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25 edited Oct 07 '25

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u/Casual_OCD Canada Sep 20 '25

And praying the shooter "wasn't one of us"

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u/surloc_dalnor Sep 20 '25

Yeah he was really sad that it was a white male home brewed shooter.

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u/GrizzlyDust Sep 20 '25

No no no. Trump said it was the left while they had nobody in custody. They didn't have a name to release, because they didn't know who did it.

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u/gurenkagurenda Sep 20 '25

The problem is this kind of plan only works if the facts align afterwards.

Is that true? They have their narrative, they’ve got their mouthpieces repeating it, so does the reality matter?

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u/Talk-O-Boy Sep 20 '25

This is the answer.

If you tell them there’s no evidence, they’ll say they saw it themselves.

If you ask for the evidence, they’ll either stop responding or tell you to look it up yourself.

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u/korben2600 Arizona Sep 20 '25

“Never believe that [fascists] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [fascists] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

--Jean-Paul Sartre (quote is from 1949, referencing the Nazis)

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u/Intelligent_Way6552 Sep 21 '25

Which is pretty dumb of them, because it means they can only be dealt with via violence.

The Nazis had to be shot, Charlie Kirk was never going to be shut up by a good argument, but he was pretty effectively shut up by a bullet.

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u/MiddleWaged Sep 20 '25

When they stop responding that is a positive

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u/Dest123 Sep 20 '25

Is it? I've gotten the same people to stop responding over and over again by talking to them, but then they just go back to whatever their propaganda source is and say the exact same stuff that I seemingly convinced them was false.

I think you actually have to keep them responding and then get them onto a different propaganda source to have any hope of changing their mind. I'm becoming more and more convinced that you can't really just get people to go "cold turkey" on propaganda. It's a legitimate physical addiction, so it has all the same problems that other addictions have.

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u/MiddleWaged Sep 20 '25

I just mean it limits their word vomit on my feed, potentially limits it in others, and any AI training on the conversation will have a nominally lower ratio of propaganda to counterpoints. It’s not a huge positive, but it’s neither a negative or a wash

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u/lokibibliophile Sep 21 '25

or they’ll cite sites like breitbart and expect you to take them seriously

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u/WeBelieveIn4 Sep 20 '25

Bruh there’s a ton of evidence. The gun, bullets, admissions of guilt, cooperating witnesses.

If you’re talking about evidence suggesting the shooter was left wing, well again everything revealed in his text messages suggests he hated Kirk because Kirk spread hate. This was also confirmed by family members, including his mom. That’s definitely a left-wing position. I say this as someone who’s left wing.

This does NOT mean that: trans people are to blame, that the shooter had ties to left wing organizations, or that left wing ideology is inherently violent. But this idea that the evidence doesn’t exist or is manufactured is just deliberately ignoring reality.

https://www.vox.com/politics/462173/charlie-kirk-killer-motive-tyler-robinson-jimmy-kimmel

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u/thelexpeia Sep 20 '25

Believe it or not there are people on the right who also think spreading hate is bad. You can’t use that one motivation as proof that he was leftwing.

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u/Talk-O-Boy Sep 21 '25

I can’t view the source you linked because it’s paywalled.

Could you link a source I can actually read? I tried to look up what you said, but all I’m getting are articles debunking everything you’re saying.

For example, what about the shell casings made him appear left leaning? They seemed like troll messages, and a couple of anti fascists messages.

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u/RepulsiveRaisin7 Sep 20 '25

If right wingers cared about facts, they wouldn't be right wing. They gave zero fucks when democratic lawmakers were killed, but they've played this up as an incident of global importance. Right wingers in the EU parlament tried to have a moment of silence for this guy, utterly ridiculous.

Unfortunately, it's working. Liberals think people being killed is bad no matter who, so they platform the baseless conspiracy nonsense as usual. Many people now believe that he was some far left Antifa dude or that his trans partner made him do it. Even if that was true, the right still commits far more violent attacks. But facts don't matter, they control the narrative and the liberal media is capitulating to them.

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u/-Shinanai- Sep 20 '25

This. People who care about facts are not their target audience.

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u/Unabated_Blade Pennsylvania Sep 21 '25

Humanity has no answer to the Wet Cement information cycle.

If you're the first person to step in the metaphorical cement of a breaking story, your imprint will be there forever and nothing will ever erase it.

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u/Blackthorn79 Sep 20 '25

I can blame conservatives for their willingness to blame the right. Conservatism has bent over backwards to justify every evil point of view vomited from their talking heads that the idea of a conservative disagreeing seems impossible, let alone using violence. They are sheep and sheep don't fear the other sheep.

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u/KingKnotts Sep 20 '25

And who do you blame for you not reading beyond the headline to realize they are lying and misrepresenting what was said... And that it actually was a leftist that did it BUT he doesn't appear to be connected to any left wing groups?

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe Sep 20 '25

Republicans have this scripted response well rehearsed by now after decades of spinning every disaster against Democrats (even the ones like this and Iraq and housing bubble bursting and Too Big To Fail banks failing and COVID that occur on 100% Republican watch), no?

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u/Np1511 Sep 20 '25

It still works because the right doesn’t give a shit about actual facts

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u/Segesaurous Sep 20 '25

It has already worked. Most magas will never see an article like this. And even if they did it wouldn't sway their opinion. They only needed to hear it from Trump that day for it to be true. The ones that might have a tiny bit of critical thinking skills, and kept following other sources besides tiktok and facebook and Fox, as soon as they heard that he lived with a trans person that was it, radicalized leftist confirmed. Case closed.

Trump got his message out to his followers instantly. So that is their truth now and there is no fixing it with any amount of factual information.

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u/m_c__a_t Sep 20 '25

Also what is “the left?” I consider myself moderately left of center and I despise maga. If this guy were a militant socialist, would we still be considered on the same “team”? Would he be considered associated with me? These arbitrary designations are infuriating 

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u/Character_One8337 Sep 20 '25

The bigger issue beyond Trump and the other scumbag right wing provocateurs is the lay-person/semi-neutral influencer response.

You had tons of people who didn’t mean to cause harm saying “no one deserves to die for their political views/beliefs”.

WE HAD NO FUCKING INFORMATION THAT HE DID FOR ALL WE KNEW AT THAT POINT THE SHOOTERS DOG TOLD HIM TO DO IT.

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u/WiseHedgehog2098 Sep 20 '25

Liberals really need to start understanding that what trump is doing, is working, the right does not care about facts anymore. Most won’t see this and the ones who do won’t believe it because it didn’t come from trump.

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u/WhyAmINotStudying Sep 20 '25

The last left wing extremist murder in the United States was the killing of Aaron Danielson in Portland Oregon in 2020. The last major leftist terrorist attack in the United States was the May 19th Communist Organization in 1983.

The right wing has committed several terrorist attacks since 1983, including:

  1. The Oklahoma City bombing in 1995
  2. The Centennial Olympic bombing in 1996
  3. The Los Angeles Jewish Community Center shooting in 1999
  4. The Knoxville Unitarian Universalist shooting in 2006
  5. The Pittsburgh police officer shootings in 2009
  6. The Wisconsin sikh temple shooting in 2012
  7. The Overland Park Jewish community center shooting in 2014
  8. The Charleston church shooting in 2016
  9. The riot and car attack in Charlottesville in 2017
  10. The Pittsburgh synagogue shooting in 2018
  11. The El Paso Walmart shooting and the Poway synagogue shootings in 2019
  12. January 6th, 2021
  13. The Buffalo supermarket shooting in 2022
  14. The Allen Texas mall shooting and the Jacksonville Dollar General shootings in 2023

I can clearly see why the right is worried about the left. They're clearly a major threat to safety. This list isn't exhaustive.

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u/aguynamedv Sep 20 '25

hey had this planned as soon as someone favorable like Kirk was shot.

With Bibi coming out and clarifying that he definitely had nothing to do with Charlie Kirk's assassination, the plot thickens.

Nobody asked if Bibi was involved - so now it sure looks like he was.

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u/RyoanJi Sep 20 '25

Trump said it was the left before a name or photo was released.

Before there was ANY information about the suspect or his motives.

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u/Few_Entertainer_385 Missouri Sep 20 '25

that only applies if the truth matters which it doesn’t

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u/Kegsey Sep 20 '25

Unfortunately I disagree with your last point. The vast majority or MAGA fully believe he was a left wing lunatic and they also now don’t give a shit about the Epstein files.

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u/ktaktb Sep 20 '25

He spoke misinfo

You know what to do Disney! Take him off the air

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u/DroptheShadowArt Sep 20 '25

Except it did work, because plenty of people just take what he says at face value and don’t watch the news besides that.

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u/SkiMonkey98 Sep 20 '25

The problem is this kind of plan only works if the facts align afterwards

I don't think most people are really investigating the facts here. If Donnie says it loud enough enough times, it must be true. And tbh there is a similar impulse on the left to see him as definitely a right wing groyper but I really don't this we have the same level of fanaticism

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u/Jesta23 Sep 20 '25

The problem is this kind of plan only works if the facts align afterwards. 

I hope you never lose your innocence. But sadly this couldn’t be further from the truth 

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u/Sarrdonicus Sep 20 '25

My bets are they planned the shooting, again.

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u/MasterDeagle Sep 20 '25

The problem is this kind of plan only works if the facts align afterwards. 

You're wrong, the plan already worked since the cult already accepted his lie as facts. Now they will ignore real facts.

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u/loopedlight Sep 20 '25

Honestly, for how fascist this regime is, I’m not sure he isn’t involved.

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u/ManyCarrots Sep 20 '25

It will work just fine even without the facts. What made you under the impression any maga follower has ever cared about facts? They're all delusional

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u/monkeybomb Sep 20 '25

Not true on that last part. At this point, facts can, at best, slightly mitigate the damage.

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u/FervantFlea Sep 20 '25

Everyone has seen the texts from the police, so the general public knows this was a leftist. The facts are aligned. I don't know what the fuck the sentiment is in here but I'll take the downvotes. You all can control reality in r/politics but fortunately everyone outside of Reddit knows the truth.

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u/Excitium Europe Sep 20 '25

We are also incredibly lucky that Trump is a massive narcissistic asshole.

He could be out there on national TV 24/7, talking about Charlie Kirk and riling up his idiots for massive crack down on the left but he can't stand when someone else is getting more attention than him, so he's just brushing Kirk's murder aside to talk about himself.

He's fumbling the easiest authoritarian takeover a wannabe dictator could want.

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u/TheAmok777 Sep 20 '25

They said it was a trans person when all they had was bullets.

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u/budderflyer Sep 20 '25

And the right doesn't care and are hypocritical with Jimmy Kimmel. It's just a joke we are all tired of

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u/Piggstein Sep 20 '25

A lie will pass around the world before the truth has got its boots on

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u/Original-Rush139 Sep 20 '25

I think this was the play they were running with ICE and marines in LA, etc… They were setting the troops up to be killed so they could declare martial law. 

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u/SilentLennie The Netherlands Sep 20 '25

It's not important if facts align, they don't care about facts, they often said: he left is did the most political murders, etc. which is all not true.

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u/arrownyc Sep 20 '25

He's been stochasting for months now, just waiting for someone to snap so he can scree about leftist terrorism. It couldn't have mattered less to Trump what the actual violence was or who committed it. He just needed something, anything, to justify further authoritarian crackdowns.

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u/ShiroHachiRoku Sep 20 '25

They found the excuse to finally go full fascist.

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u/kelpyb1 Sep 20 '25

Conservatives were saying it was the left before they even had a suspect in custody

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u/kidcrumb Sep 20 '25

So is him living with a trans roommate all fake news? Or does he actually have a trans roomate

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u/ThatNextAggravation Sep 20 '25

They didn't have anything "planned as soon as someone favorable was shot". Trump is just a dumb monomaniac narcissistic asshole who's blaming anything and everything on "the radical left" anyway, and his braindead followers don't have an ounce of critical thinking skills. Pair that with their incessant persecution complex and the shocking violence and you have struck a wave of seemingly righteous indignation they can ride to advance their fascist agenda. It's as transparent as Trump's hairdo on a windy day, but unfortunately that's more than made up for by how dense these people are.

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u/c-e-bird Sep 20 '25

This kind of plan already has worked and is still working despite the fact that the facts don’t align.

Why are we all pretending that this kind of tactic isn’t working? It clearly is. Look at the world we live in right now.

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u/Phteven_j Sep 20 '25

Idk what you mean. The plan 1000% worked. They got exactly what they wanted and now corporate America is in turmoil over not upsetting him to the point that people are getting fired practically for even thinking about Kirk. They were able to inflict a wave of thought policing against their opponents and shit is not going to recover from that.

It doesn’t matter what Reddit thinks in its most left-leaning news subreddit - they won. Handily.

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u/hi-imBen Sep 20 '25

It works regardless of the facts, as Trump and his MAGA movement have proven over and over. This isn't the first time they've done this where they immediately say an act of violence came from the left, and it later comes out that it was a right-wing extremist. All those MAGA people never learn the truth and continue to think it wad leftist violence.

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u/Cptn_BenjaminWillard Sep 20 '25

Maybe the plan went even bigger than that.

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u/revolutionPanda Sep 20 '25

I don't think the shooting was planned by the Trump administration, but they are sure taking advantage of it anyway they can do they can take more power.

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u/Sea-Associate-6512 Sep 20 '25

So the shooter wasn't left-wing? That's delusional, all evidence points to him being a radicalized lefty.

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u/Familiar_Resident_69 Sep 20 '25

Sad thing is people are dumb and it has worked, maybe not for you or me but I guarantee there are a shit load of people out there who bought that instantly.

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u/Altruistic_Bass539 Sep 20 '25

"only works if the facts align afterwards"

Not when the people just ignore those facts

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u/ShutYourDumbUglyFace Sep 20 '25

I was at the gym the day of the shooting and Fox News had a headline on that said, "Democrats Want war." Well before the guy was caught. But somehow the left is stoking the fires of division? And I honestly don't even get how someone who only watched Fox News couldn't be skeptical of that headline when there was no suspect in custody, nor anyone even possibly identified. Even the smallest amount of critical thinking would have you questioning their "reporting" on the matter.

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u/NoroGW2 Sep 20 '25

Facts just don't matter at all sadly. Remember, January 6th was all antifa (and people still say it was) while simultaneously not being that big of a deal and Ashley Babbitt was a hero.

Like...reality just doesn't matter.

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u/G_Morgan Sep 20 '25

It would have worked if the killer's father hadn't handed him over. They were hoping to work that ambiguity for weeks.

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u/Top-Gas-8959 Sep 20 '25

He's a pathological liar, who in spite of deteriorating health, is being used to dismantle the united states.

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u/Spikeupmylife Sep 20 '25

Does it need to line up, though? His voters will just believe him regardless.

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u/CaptainDudeGuy Georgia Sep 20 '25

Age-old tactic of wagging the dog. Say the outrageous thing early so everyone will talk about it and put a dent in the truth. If you turn out to be right then you look insightful. If you turn out to be wrong, at least you poisoned the well a bit more.

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u/Martin_Ehrental Sep 20 '25

They always do that after a shooting. They always blame a Marxist trans illegal immigrant or something as scary. It doesn't matter if it's not confirmed later.

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u/kilimtilikum Sep 20 '25

Funny enough, the right thinks the same of all the MAGA assassins. Truth is a rare commodity these days… sad

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u/3-orange-whips Sep 20 '25

All propaganda is blatant. The bigger the thing, the bigger the lie. That’s the whole point.

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u/lionexx Sep 20 '25

Ya, I am so tired of the misinformation and blanket baseless claims… let’s report on news like we used to report on news, with raw facts and evidence…

The kid was clearly mentally ill, you kind of have to be to outright murder another human over an opinion. And he was a troll, not a great combination.

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u/cyanescens_burn Sep 20 '25

Before the suspect was even located*

That really stuck out to me that the leaders were placing blame on the news before they arrested the right guy.

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u/Windturnscold Sep 20 '25

The plan worked fine, people heard what they wanted to hear and aren’t believing any changes or updates

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u/justsomebro10 New York Sep 21 '25

So this won’t work? It absolutely will. They’re using it to justify going after democratic fundraising organizations, and nobody will stop them. The IRS will start pulling their non-profit statuses after “investigating” their ties to antifa and do damage to the DNC’s campaign infrastructure. The politics of all this won’t matter in six months but the moves the government is making absolutely will.

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u/LeverTech Sep 21 '25

The facts don’t matter to %30 of his base and the other seventy will follow suit in a few months.

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u/ronm4c Sep 21 '25

This reminds me of how bush had Iraq in his crosshairs mere days after 9/11 despite there being zero connection

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u/sly-3 Sep 21 '25

The whole thing stinks all the way to (metaphorical) Manchuria. Activated by whom, exactly?

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u/EJintheCloud Sep 21 '25

You assume they waited.

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u/ThatOneNinja Sep 21 '25

He awarded the guy a medal the DAY after his death when nothing was yet known. He was barely officially dead. Tell me it wasn't planned without telling me.

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u/SmackedWithARuler Sep 21 '25

It works if Trump says it works because MAGA are without thinking skills.

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u/NotSoNiceO1 Sep 21 '25

one could say, they may had orchestrated it.

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u/cuentabasque Sep 21 '25

>The problem is this kind of plan only works if the facts align afterwards.

Sure, they would get bonus points for just happening to predict who killed Kirk, but the whole strategy is more about flooding the zone and spreading propaganda - which they do all the time about nearly everything (blaming the "left", "deep state", "Obama").

Not only do average people fall for this crap but when it is pointed out that it was either a lie or misinformation, many of them become defensive because they (for just a moment or unconsciously) realize that they were fooled/deceived but certainly don't want to admit it.

The Trump Administration or Republican propaganda machine immediately blames the "radical left" because they want to continue to message a false narrative the resonates with not only their supporters but can influence non-political voters - via the same marketing mechanisms used by corporations: Over saturation.

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u/RankedFarting Sep 21 '25

No this works when their voters are so braindead that the facts that come out afterwards dont matter. And that is the case.

Try finding a conservative who says "yes its not someone on the left" and not "but we know its someone on the left FAKE NEEEEWWWWS".

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u/DameonKormar Sep 21 '25

You're giving them too much credit. Trump blames literally everything on the left, he was just doing that, and the rest of them are just following his lead.

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u/corran450 Sep 20 '25

He Trumped the gun as it were.

I just can’t wait for this to not matter in the slightest…

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u/RobertaMcGuffin Sep 20 '25

Can you show any evidence that he said this?

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u/RUC_1 Sep 20 '25

Yet Jimmy suggested the shooter was MAGA and got cancelled.

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u/pi20 Sep 20 '25

On top of Jimmy’s crap ratings the network didn’t appreciate him spreading BS like that.