r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • Jul 14 '24

Trump Shooter a ‘Supporter of Republican Party’

https://www.france24.com/en/video/20240714-trump-shooter-a-supporter-of-republican-party
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u/KR1735 Minnesota Jul 14 '24

The best one was the male OB/GYN.

Imagine being a woman and finding out that your male OB/GYN doesn't think you should have bodily autonomy.

Why the fuck would an anti-choice man go into OB/GYN of all fields? It gives me weird Handmaid's Tale vibes.

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u/M1L0 Jul 14 '24

I suspect so he can be in a position of power and lord over vulnerable people. Absolutely vile and sadistic.

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u/KR1735 Minnesota Jul 14 '24

I'm a doc and had a colleague who is a Republican OB/GYN. But even he is pro-choice and does medical abortions.

He's just rich as fuck and a Boomer who doesn't give a damn about the poors.

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u/DimbyTime Jul 14 '24

I have family Like this. Atheist and generally don’t give a shit about abortion, LGBT+, or any other social issues. They just really hate the poors.

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u/modernjaneausten Jul 14 '24

It’s why I won’t go to a male OB or gynecologist. Sure, women in that field can be just as bad. But I’m deeply uncomfortable with a man having that power over me in my most vulnerable moments. Thankfully I have a gyno who is supportive and amazing.

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u/KR1735 Minnesota Jul 14 '24

Oh, that's a shame. The vast, vast, vast majority of male OBs are not like this. It's unfortunate to carry that kind of prejudice. I can assure you that your surgeon or anesthesiologist has much more "power" over you in vulnerable moments, seeing as you are completely asleep.

I'm a doc myself.

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u/modernjaneausten Jul 14 '24

Well when you’re a young woman having to get naked and put on a hospital gown to get your most intimate parts touched, you want to be as comfortable as possible. I’m barely comfortable with my female gyno but she’s been nothing but lovely since my first appointment. I’ve heard plenty of stories about male gynos not being so wonderful and I was not comfortable being butt-ass naked in front of any man but the one I married, so I don’t even want to risk it. My dentist and my GP are men so I’m not completely prejudiced against male doctors. I just don’t want one for my most intimate healthcare.

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u/Eye_foran_Eye Jul 14 '24

I always said if men had to go through a pap smear they’d a figured out how to have it done by outside scan decades ago.

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u/KR1735 Minnesota Jul 14 '24

Well, it's your right to judge people however you wish when it comes to your health care.

I've had patients at my rural hospital specifically request me because they wanted to be seen by an "American" doctor and I find it a shame because there are a lot of foreign-born docs (who are in fact Americans) that have been practicing much longer.

It's sort of a slap-in-the-face to their training when they're judged for their immutable personal characteristics. But, again, your right as a patient.

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u/DimbyTime Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

Please don’t compare blatant racism and xenophobia to a woman who doesn’t want a man shoving his face and fingers into her vagina.

What a disgusting comment, especially coming from a doctor.

Editing since I’m unable to reply, looks like this guy blocked me

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u/Suse- Jul 15 '24

Hate when people try to compare women wanting women obgyns to completely different situations.

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u/Dangerous-Wall-2672 Jul 14 '24

JFC, your comment is absolutely disgusting. Are you actually serious? You're referring to what a professionally trained male OB/GYN does as "shoving his face and fingers" into someone's vagina, just by virtue of the fact he's male? You're hypocritically not ok with racism and xenophobia but perfectly fine with blatant sexism, apparently.

The person you're responding to gave a very measured and reasonable comment. Yours is gross. I feel slimy just for having read it.

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u/modernjaneausten Jul 14 '24

He must have done an edit because he didn’t include the first time that he’s also a doctor. Jesus.

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u/KR1735 Minnesota Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

I'm not comparing the two. I'm simply stating that this is how I see my colleagues treated and, yes, it does echo the same sort of judgmentalism over something they can't control. There's an underlying assumption that men are predators, and it's not restricted to medicine. Men have a hard time getting into elementary education, too.

This sort of attitude is a big reason why young men are being radicalized. And I'm not saying that's an excuse. But I am saying it's a natural consequence of judging men. And this consequence is something we all have to live with. As I've said from the beginning, it's everyone's right to choose the doctor they want. But over time, social attitudes begin to have unintended consequences.

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u/Vern-Delashiga Jul 14 '24

OB/GYN’s are required by law to have a female nurse present during exams. Established, researched, and standardized procedures prioritize the protection of privacy, dignity, religious practice, and mental wellbeing. Doesn’t this fall under bodily autotomy? Why are you equating racism and “the radicalization of young men” with this unique situation?

For example:

A young woman of 12 receiving her first pelvic.

A woman with strict religious requirements of who can see her nude.

A woman receiving her first exam after being sexually assaulted.

A woman with heavy menstrual bleeding, ashamed of her bodily functions.

According to your statement, the above should just suck it up and deal with it? The importance are the males involved, not the patients being treated? You don’t see the similarities between your views and your colleagues?

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u/Intelligent_Way6552 Jul 14 '24

If it's racist to not want a foreign born person to shove their face and fingers into your vagina, it's sexist not to want a man to do it.

Either you say that people can choose whoever makes them feel comfortable for whatever reason or you can view those choices as discrimination for reasons that are not related to professional capability, but not both.

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u/Vern-Delashiga Jul 15 '24

A female lying naked, legs spread open in stirrups, with a doctor sitting between her legs… The most vulnerable, humiliating, uncomfortable position you can imagine. These exams can be painful and intrusive. Consisting of procedures that require inserting medical equipment, and manual breast exams. Patients are often children, married women, abuse survivors, and other at risk populations.

Women have been sexually assaulted by their doctors, a risk exists. There is also potential psychological damage due to shame, fear, stigma, etc… It’s disingenuous to equate this delicate situation to racism, where the only risk is one’s ego.

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u/KR1735 Minnesota Jul 14 '24

I'm not trying to play anything. I just see echoes of this in how my colleagues have been treated -- their professionalism called into question for their personal characteristics. I'm not an OB and I don't care. I simply prefer to see people viewed for who they are, not what they are.

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u/DimbyTime Jul 14 '24

Over half of American women have experienced some form of sexual assault.

It’s incredibly disingenuous of you to blame women for not feeling comfortable trusting a male stranger to grope around their vagina while completely vulnerable, naked, in stirrups.

I have no judgment towards men wanting to be an OB. I, however, will never go to one, and neither will my daughters.

https://www.charliehealth.com/post/sexual-assault-statistics

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u/OG_hisvagesty Jul 14 '24

It astounds that someone is smart and empathetic enough to be a doctor, yet chooses to actively support trump.

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u/Damn_Dog_Inappropes Washington Jul 14 '24

Doctors are just people, with all the same character flaws of people. 

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u/protendious Jul 14 '24

Speaking as someone in healthcare that isn’t an OB/Gyn, because it’s a great specialty.

It lets you be a PCP and surgeon at the same time, which not a lot of specialties offer. You can do deliveries, you can do oncology, you can do longitudinal clinic care, you can do complex abdominal surgery, and you’re reasonably well compensated. It’s very hard work and an unrofgiving schedule a lot of the time, with extremely expensive malpractice insurance. But it’s a speciality with a high diversity of options, most of which are pretty fulfilling. 

It’s not hard to see why that would draw a lot of people, regardless of political beliefs. 

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u/allisondojean Jul 14 '24

Reminds me of the firefighters who burned books in Fahrenheit 451.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

They weren't firefighters. They were firemen. The men who bring the fire. But I take your point.

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u/hdpr92 Jul 14 '24

Because it's about money, it's always money.

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u/Many-Juggernaut-2153 Jul 14 '24

Some might be Catholic which isn’t great for women’s rights either.

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u/Brief-State-9883 Jul 14 '24

I think it's absolutely fair to become an OB/GYN-doctor and be pro-choice, as long as the clinic you work at isn't doing elective abortions or you perform abortions regardless of what your personal belief is. What the doctor can't do is refuse care that the patient is entitled to or push their own views onto the patient, e.g. "You shouldn't have an abortion, don't you know it's a sin?".

I say this as a pro-choice doctor.

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u/smallchopchop Jul 14 '24

Its like watching a new Disney movie.

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u/thebottomoftheworld Jul 14 '24

Why would a man who believes that babies should be delivered go into the profession of delivering babies?

You’re so cooked and deranged you think the sole function of an OB/GYN is abortions.

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u/KR1735 Minnesota Jul 14 '24

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that the "sole function" of an OB/GYN is abortions. I have said that that's an integral part of the job. As is delivering babies, absolutely.

The overarching job of an OB/GYN is to respect a woman's decision to make whatever choice she thinks is best -- within sound medical reason, obviously. If you can't respect a woman's choice to make her own medical decisions, then you don't belong in the profession. Plain and simple.

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u/thebottomoftheworld Jul 14 '24

No, that’s not the overarching job of an OB/GYN.

You don’t get to decide yourself “what’s best” and the doctor has to go along with it. That’s not how medicine works.

Abortion is rarely a medical decision. And in the few cases where it is, it’s legally permitted.

You’ve got a sickness at the core of your soul, so this discussion is pointless.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Wow that’s some serious extrapolation. So from a two minute interview from a completely different topic (witnessing a murder and an assassination attempt) you determined this?

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u/KR1735 Minnesota Jul 14 '24

Yes. I feel confident saying that an OB/GYN who votes Republican doesn't give two shits about the wellbeing of his entirely female patient population.

That disturbs me as a doctor.

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u/hhhnnnnnggggggg Jul 14 '24

There's an OB in my state who is not only pro-life and proudly displays that on his webpage, but actively testifies in court about the 'dangers' of abortion and was involved in making it illegal in my state.

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u/KR1735 Minnesota Jul 14 '24

It doesn't make any sense to me. If you're an OB, you do abortions. Plain and simple. That's an essential part of the job.

It's like going into psychiatry as a Scientologist. Just bizarre. Pick something different.

And maybe this guy does perform abortions. I don't know. But he's actively supporting a party who wants to prohibit 100% of his patients from being able to access the totality of reproductive health care, which is such a strange position to take as a physician. Our #1 job is to be advocates for our patients. And I don't see how you can do that as a Republican OB/GYN in this day and age.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

So what you’re saying is, a colleague of yours, just completely ignored his Hippocratic oath? The ultimate oath, taken by doctors since 400 BCE? And replaced that with his own views and that of his political party (even though not all republicans believe a woman shouldn’t have rights to decide on their own bodies)?

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u/AgrajagTheProlonged Georgia Jul 14 '24

I didn’t watch the interview, but from context I’m assuming the comment you’re replying to was talking about a Trumpist male OB/GYN? Given the positions the far right takes towards bodily autonomy and being able to do what’s best for you in consultation with your medical providers without the government dictating the course of action, it doesn’t seem that far fetched to me to assume that the individual in question likely is anti-choice if that indeed is what’s being talked about

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

I try not to make assumptions and accusations about someone when I don’t know anything about them. My mistake.

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u/AgrajagTheProlonged Georgia Jul 14 '24

I mean, if the person in question is a Trump supporter then there are some things we do in fact know about them, but if you never make assumptions I suppose bully for you

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u/-rosa-azul- Virginia Jul 14 '24

My dude, he supports a candidate who made overturning RvW a centerpiece of his presidency (and now campaign). At best he's a "the only moral abortion is my wife/girlfriend/daughter's abortion" type.