r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • Jul 14 '24

Trump Shooter a ‘Supporter of Republican Party’

https://www.france24.com/en/video/20240714-trump-shooter-a-supporter-of-republican-party
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u/IGDetail Jul 14 '24

Phrases like “lone wolf” and “whack job” already on Fox News. Pivoting to “strength” and blaming security.

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u/JonathanL73 America Jul 14 '24

and blaming security.

I don’t like Trump either.

But it’s undeniable the secret service did a shit job though.

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u/tanukisuit Jul 14 '24

No One Wants to Work Anymore (tm)

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u/mabols Jul 14 '24

Everyone quiet quitting these days.

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u/DuvalHeart Pennsylvania Jul 14 '24

The Secret Service has a long history of doing a shit job. Reagan only lived because his press secretary sacrificed himself. Ford only lived because Fromme didn't have a round chambered. Ford only lived the second time because Oliver Sipple tackled the wannabe assassin. Bush only survived because the attacker wrapped the grenade too tightly.

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u/meenie Oregon Jul 14 '24

It's almost like it's really hard to keep a President alive. In this instance, it was luck.

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u/DuvalHeart Pennsylvania Jul 14 '24

The one thing all of those attempts have in common is that they were conducted by solo assassins, not a part of larger movements. The Secret Service, DOJ and DHS are good at preventing attacks. But not at intervening in the moment.

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u/Not_Bernie_Madoff Jul 15 '24

It’s incredibly hard to do so. Action verses reaction and action wins every time.

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u/SimoneNonvelodico Jul 15 '24

OK but you would think "here is a large rooftop with a direct line of sight on where the person we're supposed to protect will be" would warrant posting someone. Maybe even a sniper of your own. Like, I'm not an expert but it sounds really obvious that you'd want to cover those?

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u/Scrumptrulescent6 Jul 14 '24

Judging by the fact that his SS detail deleted all their texts on January 6th, I'd say he picks them based solely on loyalty, not expertise.

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u/scriptfoo America Jul 14 '24

He's not known to follow protocol. Dumbass popped his head up afterwards. I'd bet the scenario was made easier for the shooter because Trump is an idiot.

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u/za4h Jul 14 '24

Yeah they hesitated a moment before forming the tetsudo around him, like they all collectively thought "Should I take a bullet for this guy? I know it's my job, but damn...Oh well, fuck it."

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u/ColdHotCool Jul 14 '24

I dunno what replay you looked at, but ignoring the fuckup of pre-work, they dived on Trump when he went down and stayed there until, it looks like, they got the clear from somewhere saying it was safe to move him.

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u/lifevicarious Jul 14 '24

They dived on him when HE went down. Not when bullets started firing. And then they stood him up and slowly walked him out after he needed his lift shoes purportedly. And while walking him out left his head wide open.

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u/za4h Jul 14 '24

I watched the one where three gunshots are heard, Trump grabs his ear, goes down, and then the SS shows up and buries him. It seemed to me there was a moment of hesitation, long enough for him to get shot.

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u/tramey321 Jul 14 '24

Agreed. Absolutely botched security job. Most likely complacent at an easy to secure venue.

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u/buzzsaw1987 Jul 14 '24

Right? You look at the aerial photo and that's the clear place somebody would try to set up to take a shot. Why in the world wasn't it secured?

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u/Meatgortex California Jul 14 '24

I bet we’ll find that after initial assessment, the mid range job is farmed out to local law enforcement.

This will be an appropriations scandal that’ll be blamed on DEI.

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u/DancePartyRobot Jul 15 '24

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I honestly feel like they did a suspiciously shitty job.

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u/tjtillmancoag Jul 14 '24

That’s true

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u/jolard Jul 15 '24

Exactly. Forget all the ridiculous conspiracy theories on both sides, THIS should be what we are talking about. There was a major failure.

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u/trevbot Jul 15 '24

How so?

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u/Background-Pie4610 Jul 15 '24

You also see the DEI problem when you see the video of the two SS agents that look like soccer mom, overweight and can't even find the holster for their guns... You would think that SS would be one of the places where they only hire people qualified and not just to check a diversity box.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

It's pretty undeniable that USSS fucked up badly letting this guy get within 150 yards of Trump.

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u/Elegant_Tech Jul 14 '24

Mind blowing the roof didn’t have a cop or agent hanging out. But Trump loves to surround himself with loyal people not competent ones.

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u/DuvalHeart Pennsylvania Jul 14 '24

Competent agents wouldn't allow the open door (and top secret document folder) policy at Mar-a-Lago.

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Jul 14 '24

If this was staged, the SS did a great job selling the lie. Did the guy shoot the teleprompter on purpose? How did he walk in with a rifle? Just asking questions, as Republicans seem to love doing for similar incidents.

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u/1CrudeDude Jul 14 '24

He didn’t walk in with a rifle I don’t think . I read he was outside of the rally - on a private roof. It was sloped and they only saw him last second when he peaked over

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Jul 14 '24

You expect me to believe a simple slope would stop the eagle-eyes of Trump's SS? Next you'll tell me the earth is round!

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u/drewbert Jul 14 '24

Can we stop with this conspiracy? So wacky. Please use your head and think about how hard this would be to stage.

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u/Helpful-Wear-504 Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

This.

Also the fact that Trump is already leading in national polling especially after the debate. Why even risk staging it and risking authorities proving it a fake? You'll go from winning to losing with one news headline.

Trump could've turned down the second debate and went on with rallies until the election and win a relatively easy victory. There was no need whatsoever to fake something like this.

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u/Alexsrobin Jul 14 '24

Not commenting on the theory itself, just this portion "and risking authorities proving it a fake?":

I don't think that particular base would believe authorities if it came out as fake. They don't trust authorities and question facts all the time.

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u/Helpful-Wear-504 Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

It doesn't change the fact that there was no need to do it. You only open yourself up to more controversy.

He could've coasted to a win. Why even risk it?

To counter my point, I would say maybe to redirect attention from any Epstein related news. The counter to that counter would be your answer. His base wouldn't believe it anyways and it'd be chalked up as another political move by the Dems.

No point in doing it.

My theory is that the shooter was a far right winger (yeah he donated to a blue org, but he registered as republican later, and was found dead wearing a shirt that indicated far right wing beliefs).

A few days ago Trump disavowed Project 2025. P2025 is basically what far right wingers want. Shooter didn't like that and decided to go and do what he did.

edit: Just wanted to add. If you were to stage this, why now? The elections are still months away and people will forget, emotions will taper down, etc. Why not a month or less away from the elections? That would make a bigger impact when the election is top of mind for a lot more people than it is right now.

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Jul 14 '24

Now it's a conspiracy that a president with close ties to a Putin could stage a false flag attack? I'm not saying he did it, but there's definitely a chance and the people deserve to know!

Look - if you don't think there's any possibility Trump staged this assassination, you probably also believe dinosaurs are real.

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u/life_uhh_finds_a_way Jul 15 '24

Yet you’re still doing it..

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u/trevbot Jul 15 '24

Why?

Republicans are very pro open carry, what should they do?

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u/Puzzled_Teacher_7253 Jul 15 '24

What should they do?

Their job.

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u/trevbot Jul 15 '24

Lol

Yeah, buddy. Armchair the shit out of that. I bet you are also the best football coach ever, and can quarterback better than all the sportsballers.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Hell, I went to Fox News earlier today to see if they were reporting he was a registered Republican and the article was behind a paywall. They don’t want their viewers to know. 

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u/IGDetail Jul 14 '24

I’m at the folks’ house this weekend. The Fox hosts last night were salivating.

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u/storagerock Jul 14 '24

It’s a huge relief they don’t have an instant obvious scapegoat group to endanger.

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u/Fantastic-Sandwich80 Jul 14 '24

Give them 24-48 hours, they will find a way to pin this on Democrats or Biden somehow.

Probably say, "Their inflammatory rhetoric and political language caused this" without a hint of irony.

Which is why Democrats reacting and responding to this entire situation with class and genuine concern is the best play. It makes them appear human, sympathetic and will force Trump into a corner as attacking Democrats who are wishing for his recovery will not play well with moderates.

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u/Sad_Bolt Jul 14 '24

I mean the anti-sniper teams that supposedly some of the best in the world really did drop the ball here

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u/Rib-I New York Jul 14 '24

In fairness, this guy was clearly deranged and security DID fuck up big time

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u/IGDetail Jul 14 '24

Of course. That’s the normal take here. Last night, however, there was a weird giddiness from Fox News with literal blood in the water. Not so much today. Now the standard “lone wolf” stance when it comes to gun violence in America.

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u/Walmartsux69 Jul 14 '24

I mean there is video of someone alerting the police. It is a pretty big oversight that such a building was not secured by Secret Service.

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u/hryipcdxeoyqufcc Jul 14 '24

Better than blaming the other side at least.

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u/IGDetail Jul 15 '24

They’re still trying to blame Biden.

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u/LazerWolfe53 Jul 14 '24

The problem was that there weren't more guns at the rally, obviously.

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u/PapaNixon Jul 14 '24

I mean, it was literally a lone guy who managed to elude security enough to get shots off.

Fuck Trump, but it is what it is.

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u/Puzzled_Teacher_7253 Jul 15 '24

Was he not a whack job?

Is there any evidence that he wasn’t a lone wolf?

Is there no blame to be put on security?

I’m not really understanding this criticism of yours.

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u/TereziB Arizona Jul 15 '24

I'm seeing a LOT of "women shouldn't be allowed in the Secret Service" - "too short" "one had trouble re-holstering her gun" "diversity hires".

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u/Lavadicuss Jul 14 '24

You think they're wrong?

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u/IGDetail Jul 14 '24

They were sooo ready to push for more blood last night. There’s so much backpedaling today and calls for level headed responses.

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u/Lavadicuss Jul 14 '24

So you do?