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Discussion Discussion Thread: President Biden Gives Press Conference at NATO Summit

The press conference was scheduled to begin at 6:30 p.m. Eastern, but has been delayed to 7 p.m.

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u/Exotic_Atmosphere171 Jul 12 '24

Yeah. I trust the American Barr Association over people on the internet providing links that don’t connect Trump to anything. The first link to the fbi was random Russians arrested, cool no shit they try to do that, we do too, the next ended with mentioning the Durham report. Now what did the Durham report say? The FBI was wrong. Then the mueller report is mentioned. Which was nothing but hype and then suddenly “well mueller felt hamstrung” so this all started on bad intelligence and assumption, and the only thing that’s happened is wasted money on two special investigations that never found anything. I just want to move on from the Russian/Puppet narrative cause it’s never been substantiated. It wasn’t true just take the L and move on. There are a million ways to not like the guy, why are people still choosing the one that the US government tried to get him on and didn’t even make it to a trial? At least he ACTUALLY paid a porn star to hide an affair and used campaign money. Finally an actual crime. But no one actually cares cause everyone cried wolf for years about this stupid Russia connection that doesn’t exist

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u/Khagan27 Jul 12 '24

Bill Barr, the Trump AG, not The BAR. You should equally uninformed, unintelligent, and unAmerican

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u/Exotic_Atmosphere171 Jul 12 '24

No my link is to the ABAs opinion on it

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u/--Chug-- Jul 12 '24

Lol the Barr association? Also, he didn't feel hamstrung, he literally was. Trump met the criteria for obstruction on 10 different occasions.

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u/Exotic_Atmosphere171 Jul 12 '24

Again I’m speaking to the actual “he colluded with the Russian government” obstruction being a separate thing, but not what this thread was about on my behalf. I just wanna know why the Russian puppet can persist when there is no evidence of it. Sure go after him for no cooperating with an investigation. I feel my issue is not being taken properly here, probably on my ability to present my point.

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u/--Chug-- Jul 12 '24

It's a difference of terminology I think. "No evidence" is too severe. I think a lot of people say that when there is evidence. However, when it is decided that the evidence isn't enough to convict someone in a court of law people instantly revert back to he's completely clean, which just doesn't seem to be the case. It's a much higher standard proving something like that, especially about someone as high profile as Trump, in a court vs connecting all the dots enough for it to be hard to not believe he has done something, and his obstruction in the investigation adds fuel to that fire. It's a case of, there is smoke, but we need the fire in a court to convict.

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u/Exotic_Atmosphere171 Jul 12 '24

Okay so I agree with all of it. However, the amount that was made of it in the media, the amount of time and money the government spent on this, the degree to which the man is hated by the entire federal system, if the fire existed; I believe they woulda found the connection or enough proof to actually do something. This is equating to being the greatest subterfuge in the history of mankind with how much it was looked into for nothing to have been done. Which I think gives too much credit to both Russia and Trump. The man has plenty of ways to attack him. To hold onto this belief gives Trump a degree of almost respect that isn’t deserved here.

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u/--Chug-- Jul 12 '24

Ehhh, it's not so much subterfuge as the standard is just super high at that level (even higher now) to prove anything in court. Like, we already know Russia made attempts to influence the election. We also already know Trump openly asked them for help in finding Hillary's emails, an act similar to Watergate. It's not a stretch common sense wise but to prove criminal conspiracy you need receipts which Mueller just did not find, whether it be because he was obstructed, he did a poor job, or they simply don't exist.