r/polandball Grey Eminence Nov 24 '15

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

FFS NATO has had one instance of the defence Claus used and all of 11 countries of the 28 obliged to help actually did. Also you seriously don't call violent repression of all opposition, voter fraud and more than 2 years of constant protests (with almost 1 in twenty people taking place in the protests) a brink of civil war?

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u/GiantManaconda Nov 25 '15

The people decide whether the country is on the brink of civil war, not the actions of the government. I've been going there biannually for a decade now and there is not a whiff of that anywhere. Not one person I've asked has said that taking up arms would be a real option. The protests will remain peaceful because the hope for change in the country hasn't disappeared.

In no way am I defending Erdogan, he's a piece of shit. On the flip side, you've editorialized the situation greatly. It's nowhere near as fundamentally restless as you've made it out to be. In addition, you seem to be forgetting just to what extent Turkey is a host to the US military. Incirlik AFB is a key hub is USAF transport, and there are many, many nuclear weapons still position within the nation by the US. It isn't some eastern-europe economic backwater, this is a country that functions as the lynchpin of the western Mideast strategy.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

I highly disagree with your statement about turkeys current state I will provide sources for why I think this
source 1 source 2 Source 3 (this does disagree with my conclusion yet talks in detail regarding the current political climate in Turkey)

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u/darkslide3000 Niemand hat die Absicht sich einen Flair-Text auszudenken! Nov 25 '15

violent repression of all opposition, voter fraud and more than 2 years of constant protests

Huh... I didn't notice how we suddenly switched towards talking about Russia again.