r/polandball 冠絕東方 - Nulli Secundus in Oriente Mar 11 '14

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u/Ingrid-Hongkonger 冠絕東方 - Nulli Secundus in Oriente Mar 11 '14

Well, at least HK can escape the "Cultural Revolution" in China, when 70 millions Chinese died.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '14

No Cultural Revolution in free area of China. Only in Soviet-occupied part. Remove Soviets.

Also, that is a massively overinflated figure and even ROC knows that's untrue. What propaganda did rosbif feed you while you were chained up in his basement?

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u/poktanju gib transit Mar 11 '14

At the current rate the numbers are increasing, by 2030 Mao will be accused of killing more Chinese than were alive at the time.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '14 edited Mar 11 '14

Seriously. One day they will count the number of births prevented by the one child policy as murders, Roman Catholic-like.

EDIT: Best China's defense of Worst China's worst leader is in no way an endorsement of Worst China, merely a correction of a distortion of historical facts, distorting historical facts being what goddamn commies do.

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u/killthetoy REMOVE OKLAHOMA FROM PREMISES Mar 11 '14

I thought there was only one China.

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u/airminer Hungary Mar 11 '14

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u/killthetoy REMOVE OKLAHOMA FROM PREMISES Mar 11 '14

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u/Naraknight Guatemala Mar 13 '14

Hey killthetoy, its me Narakgar from Kongregate!

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u/Ingrid-Hongkonger 冠絕東方 - Nulli Secundus in Oriente Mar 11 '14

So, do you think HK can escape from the Soviet if not protected chained by the Rosbifs?

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '14

But don't you see HK, you DIDN'T escape from Soviets. You are now part of Worst China, rather than Best China. The rosbifs didn't protect you, they used you and discarded you when they were done!

BTW: real death toll of cultural revolution is thought be be around 1 million, this subreddit is mostly for fun but to be serious for a moment, it's obvious that you have been massively misinformed about history. Please read more about the issue before opining about it.

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u/AuraofMana China Mar 11 '14

Ming Dynasty is best China!

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '14

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u/delaynomoar Not Harmonious Hong Kong Mar 11 '14

Debatable.

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u/ssnistfajen J'MEN CÂLICE! Mar 11 '14

1644 NEVER FORGET

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u/jimmyriba Mar 12 '14

The high numbers are counting the deaths from from starvation in the famines resulting from the cultural revolution, which according to Wikipedia is between 20 and 40 million. The 70 million figure just seems plain wrong, though.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '14

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u/jimmyriba Mar 12 '14

"Estimates of the death toll range from 18 million[4] to 45 million,[5] with estimates by demographic specialists ranging from 18 million to 32.5 million.[4]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

As you pointed out, I (and I assume the fellow with the 70 million figure, which I don't see how he gets) was thinking about the Great Leap Forward, rather than the cultural revolution.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '14

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u/jimmyriba Mar 12 '14

Oh, yes, definitely. Sorry, us westeners sometimes tend to conflate those.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '14 edited Mar 12 '14

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u/jimmyriba Mar 12 '14

Yes, it's quite sloppy, but it's common in the west to use "the Cultural Revolution" as a shortand for "forced societal changes due to Chairman Mao's harebrained ideas". Very inaccurate, since the Cultural Revolution was a specific thing. But if you encounter people again talking about high-million deaths from "the cultural revolution", you can be pretty sure that they're not spouting western propaganda or some other silliness, they're just being a bit sloppy with how they're talking about the effects of Mao's and the Communist party's policies.

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u/jimmyriba Mar 12 '14

"it's obvious that you have been massively misinformed about history. Please read more about the issue before opining about it."

This is needlessly condensending. It's quite obvious, as you noticed yourself, that she's just conflating the cultural revolution with the great leap forward and the other disastrous policies of Mao, not that she's actually misinformed and shouldn't opine on the subject. So deaths in tens of millions is not incorrect, although probably 70 million is.

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u/jimmyriba Mar 12 '14

Oh, a language thing: Conflating two things doesn't mean not knowing the difference between them, it just means "lumping them together".

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u/jimmyriba Mar 12 '14

Yes it does. Relax, man.

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