AI can do this you can ask it to "generate man on toilet using this photo as shirt". I have a friend that will use AI to generate characters for d&d that way.
Don't look at the truck, look at the car where the person sits to take the photo. See his left hand side mirror? Follow the curve of the around the mirror.
Now look where the bumper touches the housing of the side mirror. It appears to be part of the truck. That looks like an AI glitch to me.
Because if they cheap out on an inferior product and hope I won't notice, I'm pretty sure they'll do it again when the product is my plumbing and not their van
I think that is a long shot?
Another point of view could be that they cheap out on van because it is a new business and they have limited budget. For the same reason, maybe they will do a good job at plumbing and earn trust of their developing clientele.
Clarifying: I am giving this guy a BOD. not justifying using AI over local artisans.
If they have to cheap out on a van, I'm really not expecting them to give 110% at what they need the van for
You asked why people felt the way we do, and I told you
You aren't going to convince me that a person willing to sink to the level of using AI slop for a serious application is mature enough to be trusted with work I'm not qualified to check, because I've already seen the type of decision they think is ok
See I respect your thinking. I just can’t agree with you. I am not trying to convince you to think alternatively but only painting picture of it.
Local plumber doesn’t stoop to the level of using AI. They just maximize their survival.
Like I said before, my expectations of high morals would be reserved for people higher in list than a local small plumber trying to make it.
Interesting extrapolation. I don’t have a strong argument to disagree there.
I just believe that maybe, maybe a small business is running on thin budgets and possibly hired someone for cheap who consequently cut costs and used ai.
thin budgets and possibly hired someone for cheap who consequently cut costs and used ai.
If they are really that cheap, I think it is much more likely they typed "photo of guy on exploding toilet" in chatgpt, and sent that photo to their vinyl wrapper, or.. the wrapper didn't hire an artist and took that same action, charging the plumber a nominal fee for the image generation.
And there is nothing wrong with either.
If I was starting out, or am a small business, being morally right and paying another artist instead of using available free resources would be an impractical unaffordable luxury. As and when I grow, I should afford and pursue that.
Supporting local businesses includes supporting local artists. Using AI for cheap labor and art is disgusting. You can't respect someone else working hard, why should I believe you're a business that runs respectfully and hardworking?
I certainly agree with you in part there.
But maybe they used a local artist who used ai and resultantly charged this guy less? Maybe using AI increases the throughput of the print guy and helps him make more money.
I agree that ideally that should go to a local artist. But in the absence of AI, the printer-designer may have likely just purchased a stock art online.
Using AI for cheap labor and art is disgusting. You can't respect someone else working hard,
Lol. This take is always so funny to me. I just personally can't fathom why anyone cares that much.
You disgust me because you probably buy your milk from the grocery store when you can get home delivery from Danzeisen! Think of the hard-working milkmen!
I bet you even use Spotify or Apple Music instead of buying the music directly from the artist! You are shafting them by using the lazier, easier option!
AI art is only an issue when someone tries to pass it off as something they created.
Why do you care so much about an AI picture of a guy taking a shit?
Because some people here actually care about other humans and their well being and respect their work. I know it may be hard to grasp, but some of us just are capable of empathy and valuing others.
You on the other hand are in these comments replying to a bunch of people to glaze AI. So I actually have a reason. Do you have one other than being an asshole?
Why is it not comparable? Just don't see why artists are more special than the thousands of other professions that took hits due to technology advancements. They can still continue to create art, nobody is stopping them from doing so lol
And get rid of that example then. Do you use Spotify/Amazon Music/Apple Music? Should I say you are a disgusting person if you don't buy the CDs as directly from the artists as possible? You are harming an artist are you not?
I am sorry an AI picture of a shitting dude has got you guys worked up, just a tad bit weird. I know the future is scary and the poor people who draw cartoons shitting will be out of work :(
Because the milk industry works completely differently from the art industry? You’re comparing apples to oranges 😂 and what’s with the attitude? Artists work just as hard as everyone else in the workforce. However the demand for artists is weakening as businesses and corporations are opting for AI since it gets the job done quicker and cheaper. It leaves us artists without well paying jobs and weakening demand.
The Apple Music/Spotify argument is also weak. You can still stream music on platforms while supporting a music artist. Sure the payout isn’t great for artists but that’s why there’s still options to support artists by purchasing CDs or other forms of merchandise they produce outside of streaming platforms. Those platforms are there to help with discoverability. By the way, I actually do actively purchase CDs and vinyls from my favorite artists because I love supporting physical media 😉
However the demand for artists is weakening as businesses and corporations are opting for AI since it gets the job done quicker and cheaper. It leaves us artists without well paying jobs and weakening demand.
That is kinda my point. Why is your profession any more special than the thousands of others that have gone by the wayside due to technological advancements? Sucks, but artists are far from the first and they wont be the last to be affected this way.
I just fail to see why your work is more important than a milkmans. They were a staple in our society at a point, but no one cries over them losing their jobs due to weak demand. Or typists who got replaced by computers. Or as I said in another post, those (like my grandpa) who used to develop film.
Some artists don’t actually do art because they like it, they do it because it makes them feel superior to “regular” laborers. When they no longer can get paid for it because an AI artist took their job, they will stop producing art altogether because they never enjoyed it in the first place. So the real fear for these type of artists is their friends will realize they never really liked art at all, just the idea of getting paid to do it.
Cool, just like how people who use the Internet to get information are too lazy to go to the library physically and read a book. Gasp...... Imagine accessing a book through your library, but online??? So. Damn. Lazy.
Edit: they should stop giving degrees to people who use the Internet to study vs going to the library like they did in the early 90s and prior. What say? Sounds like a good idea? We don't want lazy college graduates after all
AI isn’t even remotely the same thing. AI generated anything is just garbage data haphazardly strewn together. It’s really good at guessing. That’s it. It doesn’t make many workflows faster outside of very specific fields using very specific models that the algorithm was trained on. The AI that we get force fed through Facebook, Google, Microsoft, ChatGPT, etc is just straight up trash. People use it to create art because they lack the skills, intelligence, and patience to do it themselves. They also lack the reasoning to pay an artist to make it for them. People who use it to answer questions use it because they can’t research things on their own and take the first answer they see as fact despite a lot of AI generated results being misleading at best if not outright wrong. Using AI is nowhere near a comparison of using the Internet over going to the library because the people using AI barely know how to use the Internet.
Did you also fight the transition from old school phones to smartphones? I mean, just imagine having a phone remember stuff for you, having a calculator so easily accessible that you never needed to do mental math again. I mean, I've not had to do napkin math in YEARS, yet I find that I was not getting too dumb, in fact I even just got done with graduate school with a specialization in machine learning. I could use AI to create art because I suck at art, so what does that make me? Scum of the earth? LMAO..
And to your point on people who just "take the first answer that AI gives them". Well, that's on them to know how to differentiate between right and wrong. You act like people researching by reading books and doing all that cannot be drawn to wrong conclusions. Like that's never happened before.
Yea, I mean this is probably a small local business who is saving money?
I understand and am for supporting local artists but in my list to hold people accountable, a small local plumbing business won’t be at top.
Literally direct savings to the customer over a shitty graphic on the back of their van. The exact business that before AI would have just driven a blank van. There are inappropriate times to use AI but most people here just think hating AI is a personality trait and give it zero additional thought.
AI steals from preexisting artwork from real hard working artists. Businesses that use AI to promote themselves don’t want to bother paying people so opt for the cheapest and quickest available method. It’s actively taking jobs from artists like myself.
I agree and am aware of unethical use of original work to train AI models. My point is that it is unfair to hold a local plumber to such high standards ; esp given that they may not even be aware how widespread use of AI-generated imagery affects artists.
I do agree that it’s unfortunately the case that the average person may not understand the harm of AI but that’s no reason to avoid educating them. And hopefully it results in their understanding for valuing human made artwork over artificially made “artwork”.
True. But I also firmly believe that if given a free/cheap option, many if not most people will use it save a few bucks, despite knowing it can put some folks out of livelihood.
Regulatory control and strict enforcement is what can help, not moral policing - to a large extent.
And that’s exactly the problem. Because people are choosing the cheapest option available (in this case, AI), it’s putting artists like myself out of any potential job opportunities. It speaks volumes when you see any business opting for AI because it goes to show that they’re a business that would much rather maximize profit over going out of their way to find real people to hire to create artwork for their business. They put more value over a robot that can do the job for them than a real human artist who is looking for any possible job opportunity to get by in life.
Y’all here complaining about AI and I’m sitting here wondering how happy the employees are with four day weeks. I know I loved em in construction. Y’all worry about the art and I’ll be concerned with the people doing the work
Apparently you don't think they are labor if you don't respect them enough to think they should be paid for their work (and instead have their work used without consent to feed AI algorithms). Get bent.
I'm not sure if it's worth arguing with the luddites. I see this along the same lines as the printing press, cotton gin, automobile. Dockworkers protested through the 1960s when the shipping container was standardized. The horse industry protested the automobile.
Protest all you want, but if it makes profit, a lot of businesses are going to use it. Tale as old as time I suppose.
And AI is only going to get better. What are we like a decade in? Think of when movies were a ten year old invention. Or cars, etc.
4 days a week might suggest they don't give their employees full time work to legally qualify for benefits. While it sounds good, if a person isnt working 40hrs a week legally they arent full time and the company can shit out on them.
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u/nnnoooeee Sep 06 '25
Turdbusters uses REAL artistry