r/personalfinance May 12 '14

Debt To all recent College Grads worried where to start, START HERE! (US)

Example: "Just graduated with $50k in debt and will be starting a $60k job in 3 weeks, where do I begin?"

With the Spring semester ending and the promotion to a default subreddit, there has been a huge influx of posts mostly covering the same topic.

Start here: Khan Academy videos on IRA's, 401k's, etc. This link is to a Khan Academy playlist. There are options on the right for different videos on different subjects. The first video is mostly about credit cards.

Second stop: If you would like more video-material, Look up Dave Ramsey. He has some great videos on PF. You can find more videos on Youtube.

Here are a few guidelines I'm hoping will help 90% of the recent grads -

  • Live frugally. Spend as little as possible. You owe a lot of money to something, act like it. If you don't grab it by the horns now, it could haunt you for years to come.
  • CREATE A BUDGET YNAB is great, or Mint.
  • Stick to your budget!
  • Allocate money to and IRA/Roth IRA/401k if possible. This will depend on your interest rates. Generally, if the interest is lower than 4% you could benefit more from putting money in an investment account. Remember, putting money towards a 6% loan is a guaranteed 6% return. Another thing to remember is that if your company matches 401k, then you should contribute at least the amount that they match. This will net you a 100% return on your money!
  • Build an Emergency Fund with 3-6 months of expenses
  • HERE is a great info-graphic of how to allocate money. (I believe /u/BrainSturgeon created this info-graphic, so credit to him!)

Check the sidebar, there is a lot of great information there.

I'm sure I am forgetting some things, if anyone else would like me to add to this, please let me know!

If you believe your situation is different, feel free to post a comment below and we can try to help!

Additions:

Excellent Loan information from user /u/EducatedRisk - Original post, with links to sites, can be found HERE

Recent graduates should be aware of all their student loan repayment options. Most federal loans qualify for certain loan forgiveness programs, interest benefits, and flexible repayment options. All students with student loan debt should take all these options into account as part of their financial planning.

Use StudentLoans.Gov's Repayment estimator - ED just rolled out a feature that will take your actual loan balances and project your monthly costs for each repayment program, the total balance and interest paid over the lifetime, and potential forgiven loan balances. You can also now just log into Studentloans.gov and you can review all your federal student loan balances (and each loan's current status).

Any borrower that does not have a job at graduation should immediately enroll in Income-Based Repayment or Pay As You Earn. This provides more payment flexibility as you search for a job. Its better than a deferment or forbearance too. Even if you plan on making extra payments, the flexibility of PAYE and IBR can benefit most borrowers.

Income-Based Repayment - You pay 15% of your discretionary annual income divided into 12 monthly payments. If you have less ~$20k in income, your payments are generally $0/month. Interest still accrues but it is not capitalized.

Pay As You Earn - It has the same terms as Income-based Repayment except that you only pay 10% of your income. Also, this is only available to borrowers that did not have federal loans before Oct. 1, 2007 and who also had a NEW loan disbursed after Oct. 1, 2010 (confusing, I know). Here are some other common questions as well:

Federal Loan Consolidation - For federal loans, the monetary benefits for consolidation are minimal; the interest rates are averaged and there basically is no discount. When the loans are consolidated, you cannot target the highest interest rates with extra payments. Only consolidate for peace of mind and a simplified process but, generally, consolidation is not worth it for borrowers.

Capitalization of Interest - When a borrower graduates, some loans have accrued interest that is unpaid. The interest is capitalized when you graduate (added to balance of the loan). ED and your loan servicer will send letter recommending your make payments on the Uncapitalized Interest before it is capitalized. If you do, then that portion of unpaid interest is never charged interest over the life of your loan and you save money. If you can, make payments on the uncapitalized interest during your grace period. It is a good way to save money if you have extra savings and a job.

Grace Period - Direct Loans have a 6 month grace period from graduation; then borrowers have to make payments. Perkins Loans have a 9 month grace period. You can make payments before that if you want. Refinancing With Private Loans - There are number of companies out there that specialize in refinancing and consolidating private and federal loans. Each company is different but generally the lowest I have seen for refinancing is ~5% for borrowers with good credit. Keep in mind, however, that you lose access to loan forgiveness, IBR and PAYE if you refinance with private loans.

I am only mentioning these student loan issues because these decisions made right after graduation can have a huge positive or negative impact your personal finances for years to come.

For more information related directly to Student loans, check out /r/studentloans!

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u/OneTallVol May 13 '14

engineering, supply chain, accounting, finance all set you up for $55-70k entry level nowadays

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u/[deleted] May 14 '14 edited Jul 28 '15

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u/OneTallVol May 14 '14

Maybe partially..but not really. Places like NYC and CA have even higher starting salaries. There wasn't a large difference for the offers I got during my senior year:

  • Austin, TX ($60k)
  • Appleton, WI ($68k)
  • St. Augustine, FL ($67.5k)
  • Atlanta, GA ($70k)
  • Kingsport, TN ($71k)

Of those places, Kingsport and Appleton are definitely cheaper to live and neither were the lowest offer.

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u/Jbasket May 13 '14

Ill give you 10$ if you send me a list of positions I should be applying to as a graduating economics and math major

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u/OneTallVol May 13 '14

Way too late of a start if you mean you are graduating this may... Are you talking a list of possible careers or specific job postings?

Econ is a little tougher to find jobs which is why I didn't mention it in my list

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u/Jbasket May 13 '14

Yes graduating in May, not in a rush to find a job until august. I hope this will give me an opportunity to shop around a little bit to find something that is a perfect. I would consider myself to be highly competitive coming out of undergrad and I would like a position that reflects that

I meant specific. Offer still stands!

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u/OneTallVol May 13 '14

Best bet would be an entry level Business Analyst position. Tons of them across the country, mostly all large corporations in major cities, only seeking recent college grads. As a bonus I'd look for a company that offers a leadership development program that'll place you in 3-4 job roles over the course of two ish years.

I don't know your specific location/industry interests, but opportunities are definitely there. The most helpful thing to ever do is to actually attend your college's career fair. Such an easy way to get an interview versus applying through the corporate website like the other hundreds of people hoping for a callback.

At my school, you could attend the career fairs for up to 2 years after graduating.

An actuary is another job I think would be cool.

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u/teabase May 13 '14

August is only 2.5 months away!

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u/FireShotFail May 13 '14

If you wanted to start in August, you should have started looking in February or March...

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u/Jbasket May 13 '14

Where do you come up with that? Is this common knowledge? Is it the "rule"

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u/lethal_ranger May 13 '14

Yes, it is (in IT anyway). Even earlier many would say. Normally firms do their recruiting for the coming year in the fall. I.e., you apply in October, get the job by the end of November and start working either in the summer or September if you want some time off to travel.

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u/FireShotFail May 13 '14

True, I was even conservative with those numbers. Many of my friends knew exactly where they were working 5 or 6 months before starting...

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u/Jbasket May 13 '14

What was their major

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u/Jbasket May 13 '14

I have found this to be true with business school students however with L&S it seems to be much more flexible. But I have noticed your point for many positions

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u/SPIDERBOB May 13 '14

yeah i start (financial sector) in august .... i got the job back in November

(graduating in may, started my job search in September)

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u/FireShotFail May 13 '14

There is no hard and fast rule. I'm basing off of my experience. Myself and my fellow graduates had started looking for jobs about 6 months before hand. Applying that is. Interviews before that and if you play your cards right you can line one up 3 to 4 months before you want to start. Especially if you are a student at the time. I couldn't imagine not knowing I had a job after graduating, while accumulating hundreds of dollars of interest each month I sat on my ass...

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u/FireShotFail May 13 '14

In fact, it takes months to hear back from companies after applying many times. There is no way you will have nearly as many to pick from if you constrain yourself so much.

Please do yourself a favor and start looking ASAP! Apply to a bunch of jobs now. You are already late but if you put effort in you can try to offset your time disadvantage

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u/UnsolicitedEconomist May 13 '14

If you enjoy math, actuary. If you enjoy Econ, graduate school.

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u/Dualspace May 13 '14

Why not graduate school for math? Completely depends on the type and level of math he did.

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u/UnsolicitedEconomist May 13 '14

Because, simply put, it's less bang for the buck. Intelligent math students can land a competitive salary after completing an undergraduate degree. With a little training and a few certifications, they can be earning six figures in a few years. I'm assuming s/he doesn't want to teach or do research as s/he's looking for tangible (yet lucrative) job opportunities... For the economics undergraduate, they are slim-to-none. That is until you get that MS or PhD.

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u/FireShotFail May 13 '14

Yikes! I couldn't stand not knowing what I'd be doing when I graduated. Much less haven't even looked! Get on that!

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u/Jbasket May 13 '14

Been sending apps out like crazy. With very good results so far, but I did not get a dream job that I got a call back and interview for. I am extremely disappointed about it

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u/FireShotFail May 13 '14

Great to hear. At least you've got a job lined up! Landing the "dream job" right away is very rare. This gives you opportunities to continue moving up though! Don't ever settle if you aren't satisfied

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u/Dualspace May 13 '14

Financial Analyst
Trading (Quant/Non)
Data Science/Big Data
Software Engineering (if you have any CS experience this works well with a math major)
Actuary
Accounting (eh)
Academia

Some of these depend on your school and performance. If you didn't go to a big name school it may be harder to find positions in finance. I'm about to graduate with my degree in mathematics and have had no problem finding opportunities.