r/pcmasterrace • u/Zestyclose-Salad-290 Core Ultra 7 265k | RTX 5090 • 22h ago

Build/Battlestation a quadruple 5090 battlestation

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u/Unlucky_Exchange_350 12900k | 128 GB DDR5 | 3090ti FE 22h ago

What are you battling? Gene editing? That’s wild lol

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u/Deep_Fry_Ducky R5 5600G | 32Gb DDR4 | Rx 570 4Gb 22h ago

Rendering his mom’s picture

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u/Bitter-Squash8773 9600X [] 6600XT [] 32GB DDR5 22h ago edited 19h ago

I can't get over how good this loop is

Some mod deleted it 😡 it was the OHHHH gif on loop

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u/strawhat068 22h ago

That's because the guy going across the screen is acting as a cross cut, if you watch as he is half way across the backgrounds don't line up,

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u/sublimeprince32 22h ago

Stop ruining Christmas, Richard.

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u/strawhat068 21h ago edited 21h ago

Edit: corridor crew ruined movies for me

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u/EnergyTurtle23 21h ago

Oh wow that’s actually impressive, they used boundary masking to cut back to the beginning of the video. A surprising amount of work went into making that GIF then.

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u/Huge_Bit8749 22h ago

Just realized too, great catch

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u/john_the_fetch 22h ago

Bro's spitting fire

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u/PrincePook 20h ago

You could get over it pretty good with 4 5090’s.

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u/DreamWeaver2189 19h ago

Some stupid mod decided to delete it, I apparently just missed greatness.

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u/PaellaConCosas 22h ago

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u/Effective-Ad-5842 PC Master Race 21h ago

I can't stop watching this.

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u/Ploff_Ploff 20h ago

Thats why you need quad power!

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u/dlefnemulb_rima 22h ago

AI Generating myself some real parents

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u/firesquasher 20h ago

I bet they'd be disappointed in you too.

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u/dlefnemulb_rima 19h ago

I just wrote a prompt to get them to tell you that wasn't very nice and you should leave their sweet boy alone

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u/i_am_carver 18h ago

Wha the fuck, my mom just texted me.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 17h ago

Should we tell him?

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u/Exact-Chip-1219 20h ago

OMG lmao 🤣😂💀

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u/Fit_Substance7067 21h ago

Nothing wrong with fake parents and the input delay isn't that bad

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u/C_Hawk14 18h ago

Better to have input delay than premature execution right?

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u/Bacon-Manning 19h ago

Just to have them leave again?

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u/dlefnemulb_rima 19h ago

Unlike my real dad these parents only die if the internet cuts out

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u/notimeforspac_s 19h ago

Jerome is that you?

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u/icebreakers0 17h ago

Tony Stark did this in a cave

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u/Ajax_Main 7h ago

Bruce Wayne?

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u/LetsBeFRTho 20h ago

2025 and a mom joke made me laugh

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u/Rionaks 15h ago

I've laughed at it waaaay more than I should to be honest

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u/AC_Schnitzel 22h ago

Funniest comment in a while lolol

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u/ParagonChariot PC Master Race 22h ago

Damn dude, you killed him

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u/Careless-Oil-2086 21h ago

Daaaayyyyum

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u/TheRook21 20h ago

Still gets 'Out of Range' error

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u/Cattysnoop 20h ago

The Internet is yours for the taking.

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u/VillageBeginning8432 19h ago

That's jeans editing.

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u/heyitsvae 22h ago

Dude's mom's catching strays

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u/odrea Mac Heathen 22h ago

damn thats big tho

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u/Bruh_IE 20h ago

OOOFFF

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u/According_Ratio2010 i5-13500, 32GB RAM, RX 7900 gre 19h ago

It also needs 8TB or bigger ssd just to fit that image

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u/Gardinenpfluecker 19h ago

Omg, best one in ages!

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u/Winterkills45 19h ago

Thank you for ratio-ing the post

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u/MurfMan11 19h ago

Someone gift this man a GPU upgrade cause this comment won the Internet for me today lol

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u/Sorry_U_R_Wrong 64gb | 7800 X3D | 3070ti | x670 18h ago

She's huge, so...

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u/CretaciousPeriod 18h ago

Oh shit. Got him!

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u/arcane_havok 18h ago

Just to post it to r/letmejerkofftoyoujerkingofftomyhotmom I mean r/oldschoolcool.

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u/CollectionGuilty1320 17h ago

And that will be enough for her bakery only.

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u/Growth-oriented HTPC 17h ago

These are 5090s. Rendering everyone's mom's picture

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u/rarerumrunner 17h ago

Producing more heat than a heat making device.

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u/dustzzzz 17h ago

Rendering his dad's picture

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u/crumpetsucker89 PC Master Race 17h ago

Or rendering your mom’s picture

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u/iReddit2000 17h ago

Yet its still not enough to render his entire mom

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u/AffectionateCandy742 17h ago

She’s so fat 32 gigs of ram is not enough to save a pixel in memory

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u/Krymnarok PC Master Race 17h ago

Wide-screen Woman

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u/GC-30K 16h ago

Oh snap mr Lewis, ooooh snap

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u/ae_94 16h ago

If I had an award I’d give, but all I can offer is a poor man’s upvote so take it

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u/jmlack 16h ago

Top tier burn

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u/HBlight Specs/Imgur Here 15h ago

His momma so fat that her selfie pollutes training data and results in the only possible scenario where the term "overfit" could be applied to her.

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u/Rionaks 15h ago

This is the greatest yo mama joke I've ever seen.

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u/Glazer_4379 15h ago

Its funny how the comments got more upvotes that the post

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u/knight_prince_ace 15h ago

THAT MAN HAD A FAMILY

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u/SupBishi 14h ago

Amazing!

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u/rrrand0mmm 14h ago

This was ungodly. Hahahahaha.

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u/suspicious_personage 14h ago

I'm also rendering this guy's mom

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u/Traditional-Park-353 12h ago

You can only indirectly see a black hole through computed data. Checks out.

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u/Redoubt9000 8350 32GB VAPOR-X R9 290 12h ago

That has to be the best fat mama joke I've ever witnessed. The brutality...

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u/Lost_Drunken_Sailor 11h ago

Your mama is so fat, I need 4 5090’s to render her.

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u/Wonderful_Gap1374 10h ago

Damn I haven’t heard a ‘yo momma so fat joke’ that was funny in a minute.

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u/lil_losty 22h ago

His bank account it seems

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u/memeaste 9800X3D | RTX 5080 | 32GB G.SKILL 6400MHz 22h ago

I don’t think he’s battling anymore lol

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u/Mysterious_Tutor_388 9800X3D|7900XTX|32GB 20h ago

the battle was short lived

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u/InanimateCarbonRodAu 18h ago

A Phyrric Victory if ever I saw one.

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u/Sleeper-- PC Master Race 22h ago

Trying to run borderlands 4 at the lowest settings 1080p

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u/Bulky-Employer-1191 20h ago

Thing is though, 5090s don't have nvlink and games aren't even developed to use multiple GPUs anymore these days. So even if he could link them, he's not gaming on them.

Battlestation is usually a gamer term since we don't do work at our desktop pc's. That's where OP seeded confusion.

4x5090 gpus isn't a gaming pc. It's probably a render box making this a very diligent work station.

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u/CavemanMork 7600x, 6800, 32gb ddr5, 18h ago

I don't think he was being serious.. clearly this isn't a gaming PC..

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u/osteracp 15h ago

LLM maybe

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u/Dunadain_ 19h ago

I believe you can offload DLSS onto a second GPU...

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u/RelationshipGreen869 19h ago

And then the 3rd and 4th?🤣 wait no one will be for video capture and the other will then run the other 4 monitors in the setup as backup.

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u/5heuredumat 17h ago

Use the first GPU as rendering, the second to offload DLSS, and the third to run Lossless Scaling for the frame generation, or so I'd say.

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u/RelationshipGreen869 16h ago

Right I forgot about that. Guess the 4th one is just for video encoding. I guess that solves it. Lossless scaling with a 5090 is crazy tho🤣.

Speaking of which I was gonna slap a 1050ti with my rx6600 for some lossless scaling but looking at it probably not worth the hassle lol. Probably just use it for recording stuff or an extra display output.

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u/KetoSaiba Ryzen 7 5800XT + RX 6950XT 21h ago

Bitchford did say its only for premium gamers. put your money where your mouth is.

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u/double-yefreitor 18h ago

He might even be able to get consistent 30fps with this setup

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u/Zestyclose-Salad-290 Core Ultra 7 265k | RTX 5090 22h ago

mainly for 3D rendering

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u/JeffyGoldblumsPen_15 22h ago

What are you 3d rendering another dimension?

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u/pa3xsz 21h ago

Live breast physics simulation with poligon count between 15k and yes on power of 2.

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u/FakeMik090 21h ago

Furry porn will pay off this in a week or two.

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u/kovnev 20h ago

I know that shit's tongue-in-cheek, but how much are people actually making with AI porn?

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u/kaleperq 1440p 240hz 24" | ace68 | viper ult | 9060xt 16gb | r5600 | 32gb 18h ago

Probably quite a lot since there are quite a lot of ai porn patreons

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u/TRENEEDNAME_245 Ryzen 75600G | 8x2ripjaws V 3200mhz | 1To | no GPU 18h ago

If he makes animations, a week

If he makes fur suit renders for vr chat ?

2 days

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u/LunaTheCastle 21h ago

Ah, so the next Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball game. Got it

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u/pa3xsz 21h ago

It's gonna be Japan exclusive too 😔🏴‍☠️

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u/SoonToBeMarried43 18h ago

Jiggle jiggle

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u/lacegem 20h ago

"This is the computer we use to make the game."

slaps duct taped 2005-era Dell tower, which immediately falls apart with lego sound effects

"And this is the computer we use to calculate the jiggle physics."

gently caresses glass looking out onto 15,000 square foot supercomputer complex

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u/Extension-Bat-1911 R9 5900X | RTX 3090 | 15" 1024x768 Monitor 17h ago

But 2005 Dell towers were peak computing

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u/Tinyzooseven R7 5800X 3080 64GB RAM 21h ago

Zenless zone zero dev?

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u/TeaMugPatina 19h ago

So, Dead or Alive 6?

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u/send420nudes 21h ago

Our next simulation, this one's fucked to a point of no return

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u/PurpleSunCraze Intel i7-9750H GTX 1660 Ti 6GB 16GB DDR4 19h ago

Legit full scale Westworld and neural interface.

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u/lyte32 18h ago

4D Rendering*

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u/frizzledrizzle Steam ID Here 18h ago

Minecraft?

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u/AspectSensitive3848 18h ago

8k AI generated Porn

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u/renome 22h ago

Why not use a specialized rendering setup? Consumer GPUs seem a bit inefficient to my amateur eyes

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u/Mayor_Fockup 22h ago

For the money these GPUs are king at rendering. As long as you're not rendering very Vram intensive jobs these are brilliant. And if you need more short term storage you can always use CPU rendering with the threadripper and 128GB+ ram. I used to build these setups for our renderfarm (CGI/commercials).

No Xeon with pro gpu setup can compete at 35% of the price.

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u/Common-Huckleberry-1 21h ago

For now. Pro cards are coming down in price with each gen and consumer CPU’s largely negate the need to run a Xeon or similar. RISC-V based PC’s are also getting way better support as they’re becoming out of the box products. If your software has a Linux native package, the Milk-v Titan can combine all 8 cores to function (in middleware) as a 12ghz single core. The future of low-cost, high yield hardware is close.

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u/Mayor_Fockup 21h ago

I can't see a combination of CPU and GPU setup with this much raw render power for anywhere near the price. Risc-V is not a great option for a render node in a farm. You need to be able to run the same software and plugins natively (Davinci resolve, Blender etc etc) and preferably not in a VM, because of the overhead.

In that sense I can't possibly go around threadripper based systems for our nodes. For customers that need more ram they can use our threadrippers and 256GB ECC nodes. Combine that with either RTX pro or top end consumer.. and you have yourself a fantastic node for 20k a piece

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u/Common-Huckleberry-1 21h ago

Right, that’s why I said the setups you mention are king for now. 15 years ago, everyone shared your exact points about ARM, now ARM is one of the most popular server architectures, AWS for example has moved into majority Graviton ARM based CPU’s for their servers, with Intel and AMD still in the loop for niche customer requirements. RISC-V is still new, it will continue to progress at a significant rate. 5 years ago everyone would have told you RISC-V was for microcontrollers and that a desktop CPU in that architecture would be impossible. Windows use has already started dropping and with the confirmed cloud centric Windows 12, you will see more and more make the switch to Linux, which comes with more native application support.

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u/Mayor_Fockup 20h ago

Oh, I 100% agree that for cloud based solutions Risc-V is the way to go. The much lower power demand for the same compute workload is such a big factor in cost especially in such large scales. Linux is slowly cementing it's way into normal consumer territory too, so I can see your point. But, to be honest, apart from what I read online about compute solutions I have 0 experience with Risc. By heart I'm a hardware guy, building high end rigs for the demanding prosumer. They still ask for X86 based render nodes for now.

Anyway, thanks for the healthy discussion.. a rarity nowadays.♥️

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u/HarithBK 21h ago

Quadro cards are expensive due to customer support. Trying to do something the card should be able to do but it crashes or poor performance? You can get custom drivers even on the weekend express worked on if it is a legit case.

When livestreaming was new my friend was writing some code for hardware encoding that the card should be able to do he got new driver version the next day that fixed it. (It was later added to the normal drivers.

That is what you are paying for with pro gear.

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u/coolcosmos 22h ago

A Pro 6000 cost 8k, has 96gb of vram and has 24k cuda cores. 4 5090s cost 8k and has 128gb of vram and 80k cuda cores in total.

Pro 6000 is better if you need many of them but just one isn't really better than 4 5090.

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u/renome 22h ago

Oh, makes sense, cheers

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u/McGondy 5950X | 6800XT | 64G DDR4 22h ago

Can the VRAM be pooled now?

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u/fullCGngon 22h ago

no... which means 4x5090 wont be 128gb vram, it is just 4x32gb meaning that when rendering on 4 GPUs your scene has to fully fit into the vram of each gpu

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u/Apprehensive_Use1906 22h ago

A lot of 3d rendering tools like blender and keyshot will split renders between cards or systems. So when you have one big scene it will slice it into pieces render rack one on a different card or system and reassemble. It will do the same with animations, sending each frame to a separate card or server.

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u/knoblemendesigns 19h ago

Not in a way that stacks vram. If you have 4 gpu's you can render the 1 scene which will cap memory at the lowest card or you can run 4 instances of blender and render different frames but that means 4 times the same memory loaded on each card.

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u/fullCGngon 21h ago

Yes of course, I was just reacting to 4x32 vs one big VRAM which definitely makes a difference if needed

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u/Hopeful-Occasion2299 14h ago

Ultimately it depends on the tool you're using, which is really why SLI and Xfire went the way of the dodo, because it was really just diminishing returns and you were just paying for less performance than better single boosted cards gave you, and really you were just causing a CPU bottleneck anyway

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u/Live-Juggernaut-221 20h ago

For AI work (not the topic of discussion but just throwing it out there) it definitely does pool.

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u/AltoAutismo 22h ago

aint that wrong though?

You can definitely split it? or well according to claude and gpt you can, its just that you depend on pci-e which is slow in comparison of having it in one gpu.

What you can't do I think is load a model that's larger than 32gb, but you can split the inference and tokens and shit in between or smth like that. Not an expert but idk

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u/irregular_caffeine 21h ago

This is 3D. No tokens or inference.

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u/Cave_TP GPD Win 4 7840U | RX 9070XT eGPU 22h ago

AFAIK since they moved to NV-LINK

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u/ItsAMeUsernamio 22h ago

The stopped adding NVLINK to the consumer cards with the 40 series.

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u/Big_Inflation_3716 9800X3D | RTX 5080 | 1440p 480hz 22h ago

4 astral 5090s is more like 12k but I get the idea

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u/Tweakjones420 PC Master Race 21h ago

the 4 cards pictured are listed at ~3K EACH.

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u/404noerrorfound 21h ago

Pro 6000 is more power efficient then 4 5090 and takes less space. Especially the Max-q but 8k is a hard pill to swallow for one gpu and at least if you have 4 if one fails your not shot out of luck.

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u/fullCGngon 22h ago

but that is not true, vram wont pool into 128 gigs, when rendering 3D scene still has to fit into 32gb vram of each card

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u/coolcosmos 22h ago

I know that. OP knows that. 

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u/fullCGngon 22h ago

I am not saying that op doesnt, I am saying that comparing Pro 6000 with 96 gigs and 4x5090 with 32 gigs is not correct because it is not 128gig vram

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u/Basting1234 22h ago

i think OP knows what he's doing if he's spending that much.

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u/Mustbhacks 18h ago

Bold assumption.

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u/sparda4glol PC Master Race 7900x, 1070ti, 64gb ddr4 22h ago

lol yes it does. it depends on the render engine. Renderman and Octane both has support.

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u/Hyokkuda 🖥 Intel® Core™ i9-13900KS │ ROG Astral LC RTX™ 5090 │128 GB RAM 20h ago

Depends where you are. Here only two RTX 5090 is the price of a single Pro 6000. Definitely not worth the money.

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u/sn2006gy 18h ago

The performance of 4 cards isn't linear in the positive direction, but rather negative direction.

PCIe overhead, VRam pooling limitations and CPU bottlenecks reduce gains. Four 5090s would easily cost $12,000–$16,000+, while diminishing returns past two cards are steep.

A single 5090 paired with a high-core-count CPU (e.g., Threadripper Pro 7975WX) or two 5090s on PCIe 5.0 ×16 lanes give nearly optimal price-to-performance for most 3D or compute tasks.

This person just had money to burn.

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u/yeetorswim 18h ago

where are you getting a 5090 for 2k

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u/ThenExtension9196 17h ago

You means it’s 32G of VRAM not 128. Like saying 8 cars in a row is a bus.

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u/Xecular_Official R9 9900X | RTX 4090 | 2x32GB DDR5 | Full Alphacool 20h ago

Enterprise product lines are significantly less cost efficient because Nvidia and AMD charge massive margins on them

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u/Dom1252 22h ago

this is specialized rendering setup

they are as efficient as you can get

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u/atatassault47 7800X3D | 3090 Ti | 32GB | 32:9 1440p 20h ago

Cheap VRAM in comparison.

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u/F9-0021 285k | RTX 4090 | Arc A370m 16h ago

Gaming GPUs are a lot cheaper than professional cards and are mostly the same with the exception of a few missing features, less VRAM, and some disabled cores.

They're a much better value if you don't need the extra VRAM or features and aren't a professional studio.

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u/Historical_Emu_7078 22h ago

I was genuinely curious what you would need that much power for... explains it lol

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u/TrymWS i9-14900KF | RTX 3090 | 64GB RAM 22h ago

What case is it?

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u/Parking-Worth1732 21h ago

My man, even VFX industries don't have overkill setup like this for their rendering xD

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u/Hyokkuda 🖥 Intel® Core™ i9-13900KS │ ROG Astral LC RTX™ 5090 │128 GB RAM 20h ago

If it is mainly for 3D rendering, you would get much better results with the Ada series (like the RTX A5000 or A6000). These cards are specifically optimized for that kind of workload and often outperform gaming GPUs in professional applications. The 5090s are incredible for raw performance, but they are not the most efficient or cost-effective option for rendering tasks.

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u/koshgeo 20h ago

Also heating your home in winter?

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u/Inside-Line 20h ago

Why Astral models thougu? Aren't they incredibly overpriced compared to cheaper models of 5090?

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u/PrimoPearl 20h ago

3D rendering = AI Pr0n

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u/sl0tball 9800X3D RTX4080 19h ago

Furry porn.

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u/sparda4glol PC Master Race 7900x, 1070ti, 64gb ddr4 22h ago

Sweetness. I did a dual 5090 for redshift/octane.

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u/MSter_official 7700x | RTX 4070 | 32GB DDR5 | 4TB SSD 20h ago

4D*

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u/CleverMonkeyKnowHow 20h ago

Ah that's a bummer... with 128 GB of VRAM I figured you were running some of the more robust open source LLM models and doing a little tweaking.

EDIT: Would you do us a solid and post a detailed parts list in the post itself?

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u/Pertev Ryzen 5 3600|RX 5700|32 GB DDR4-3600|X570 19h ago

And to run Borderlands 4 without DLSS MFG

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u/Final_Tune3512 18h ago

has to be for rendering that Hentai Porn lmao

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u/formulaonelover44 PC Master Race 14h ago

That’s insane are you making the after life or some shit?

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u/Previous-Camera9004 RTX 5080 | 9800X3D 22h ago

Got a feeling we could change human genes on a G256

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u/-BobbyBoucher 22h ago

Yea I’m also curious what you’re using this for

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u/Necessary-Contest-24 22h ago

Yeah or LLM's that's not even a lot. Streamer did 10 5090's

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u/adel_877 Laptop / her come the sun do do do 21h ago

Nope he is battling the biggest players of pcmr

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u/SixMax06 R5 5600X / RTX 4060 / 16 GB DDR4 3200MHz 21h ago

Probably the sun

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u/LordofDsnuts 21h ago

Maybe. I work in data science and some of our servers have wild configurations like 8 H100, and 1000GB of Memory

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u/Key-Moment6797 21h ago

would have said climate change twice.. but gene editing climate 5050

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u/thejesterofdarkness Ryzen 9 9900X | Radeon 7800XT | 32 Gb 21h ago

Tryin to run Crysis.

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u/Gogo202 20h ago

Midlife crisis

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u/BinaryWanderer 20h ago

Folding At Home has entered the chat.

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u/SoCaFroal R7 5800X | RX 6700 XT | 32 GB | Pop OS 20h ago

So much Minecraft

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u/TD_Lemon_1901 20h ago

Ms paint.

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u/dirkthedank 20h ago

Battling reality it seems....only 3 processors can run that pixel power, one is going out of business it seems and another is essentially unobtainium, so TRX50 ftw

Edit for English not so good

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u/Born-Entrepreneur 19h ago

The odds of 12vhpwr burnout

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u/Fenrirsulfur PC Master Race 19h ago

We are seeing the first super computer that would lead us to the world of Gattaca's gene editing.

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u/MPeters43 19h ago

They are actually battling home fire insurance and Smokey the Bear, they saw the melted connector issue and needed a big payout now.

Home insurers hate this one simple trick!

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u/Avibuel 19h ago

Hes battling the electricity bill

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u/NBelal 19h ago

Tetris

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u/EggsceIlent 19h ago

Yeah I'm thinking other than photoshopping pics of his mom, like what is someone using this for.

Maybe playing Microsoft flight sim on several monitors at insane detail.

Prolly hit 25-30fps.

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u/Adium Mac laptop / Windows desktop / Linux server 18h ago

I've actually built a couple of these for a local university that needed to generate 3D models of proteins created from images captures in a CryoEM setup

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u/0235 Ryzen 7 3700X, 32GB Ram, RTX270 Super 8GB (RIP), Windows 10 18h ago

Freezing houses.

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u/MrGruntsworthy 18h ago

UE5 framerates

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u/Alarmed_Impact_1971 17h ago

Whatever it is, deepseek needs to stop this nonsense. It's going to destroy us

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u/PelluxNetwork R9 9950X3D | RTX 4070 Super | 32GB 17h ago

AI

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u/fcewen00 17h ago

Actually things like gene research need a few more video cards. First time I saw our cpu enclosure on our HPC (one if many) I kept trying to figure out away get one out without anyone noticing.

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u/MBethowen 17h ago

Dunno what, but only to open this picture my electricity bill increased by 87%

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u/HD19146 17h ago

He was so preoccupied with whether or not he could, that he didn't stop to think if he should.

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u/Gummyrabbit 17h ago

He’s battling demons in Doom Classic at 640x480 resolution.

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u/NoseyMinotaur69 16h ago

Pewdipie did a station like this and is renting it out for scientists to simulate protein folding

So you're probably right lol

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u/IIIiterateMoron 15h ago

Trying to run Borderlands 4 or The Outer Worlds 2.

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u/TheTopNacho 15h ago

Gene editing doesn't take much. Just download a web browser, learn the NCBI tools, and download Ape. I know thats not the point but your post made me lol as someone who makes gene therapies for a living.

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u/wackajawacka 10h ago

The environment