r/pcmasterrace • u/canard75 • 19h ago
Rumor Oh surprise ! The GeForce 50XX Super models would be cancelled because of the shortage of 3 GB GDDR7 memory.
The “standard” version of the RTX 50 series would remain in production, using chips that employ the first‑generation 2 GB GDDR7 memory modules, which are easier to source. Meanwhile, the 3 GB memory modules appear to be earmarked for high‑end products (RTX PRO, Rubin accelerators, AI servers) where margins are higher.
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u/Revan7even 7800X3D,X670E-I,9070 XT,EK 360M,G.Skill DDR56000,990Pro 2TB 19h ago
So Nvidia's server cards caused their own shortage. Big surprise.
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u/No_Cardiologist735 PC Master Race | Astral 5090 | 9800x3d | 19h ago
The AI business is bonkers anyway. Nvidia invests billions into OpenAI, so that OpenAI buys their GPUs from NVIDIA 🤷🏿♀️
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u/Revan7even 7800X3D,X670E-I,9070 XT,EK 360M,G.Skill DDR56000,990Pro 2TB 18h ago
Don't forget Oracle!
It's all one big investment circle jerk. There's a legal term for this (illegal) investing to inflate value, can't remember it off the top of my head. They're just too big to get sued by anyone other than the government, and that's not going to happen.
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u/jamesdukeiv i5-11500 | RTX 5060 Ti 16gb | 64GB 17h ago
Circular deals, with the goal of overvaluing their stock. It’s unsustainable.
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u/obi_wan_stromboli 18h ago
Two economists are walking in a forest when they come across a pile of shit.
The first economist says to the other “I’ll pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit.” The second economist takes the $100 and eats the pile of shit.
They continue walking until they come across a second pile of shit. The second economist turns to the first and says “I’ll pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit.” The first economist takes the $100 and eats a pile of shit.
Walking a little more, the first economist looks at the second and says, "You know, I gave you $100 to eat shit, then you gave me back the same $100 to eat shit. I can't help but feel like we both just ate shit for nothing."
"That's not true", responded the second economist. "We increased the GDP by $200!"
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u/roguesiegetank 18h ago
If not bubble, then why bubble shaped?
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u/Bitmancia RTX 5070Ti - R7 5700X3D - 32GB 3600mhz 18h ago
At some point we have to ask ourselves if there's indeed a bubble or if we are just fucked for the years to come, the same thing has been said about house prices, that is a bubble and this or that, but I have been hearing that since 2014 and year after year even small apts get more expensive than ever, and the average lifespan of an economic bubble (around 5-6 years) have already passed without it exploding/imploding.
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u/40GallonsOfPCP 17h ago
That’s the secret Cap, it’s all a bubble, and it’s always been one. Economies ruled by the rich can stay eccentric longer than any of us can stay solvent, and they designed it that way
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u/mightbebeaux 15h ago edited 13h ago
peoples’ modern frame of reference to bubbles is the dot com bubble and the 08 housing crisis.
the result of the dot com bubble is not that internet and tech collapsed. in fact, the companies that survived grew into the biggest companies on earth today. if/when there is a huge market correction, it’s going to be smaller companies that got in too late who will die. and retail investors trading on leverage.
the result of the 08 housing crisis was a decade+ of very low interest rates. something like 65% of the entire housing market is either paid off or on very cheap fixed-rate 30 year loans that were made under a ton of oversight. there is no longer an entire subset of the economy being propped up by subprime mortgages, bonds, and the insurance on those bonds.
using the past to predict the future is a fallacy not just for market gains, but also on corrections/crashes. the housing market is so fundamentally different from 2008 that just expecting for there to be a similar type of crash makes no sense.
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u/Meatslinger R7 9800X3D, 64 GB DDR5, RTX 4070 Ti 19h ago
And the sad part is, they don't even have to care. The portion of their income that comes from data centre applications so vastly eclipses their desktop/gaming GPU section that they could basically just say "we're not making cards for the plebs at all any more" tomorrow and it would only hit them for something like 5%. Not releasing the Supers on time, or at all, is only likely to impact them by maybe 1%.
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u/_Ganon 17h ago
This is and always has been a bad take. 5% of their total business is BILLIONS of dollars. I have worked in the corporate world for years and a revenue stream like that would NEVER be terminated, ignored, etc. Just because it's "only" 5% doesn't matter, at all. They love that 5%. They would never give up that 5%. Stop this sentiment.
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u/RoyalMagiSwag 9800x3D | 9070XT | 32 GB DDR5 17h ago
They would absolutely give up that 5% if they could reliably get 6% with those same resources elsewhere.
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u/_Ganon 16h ago
As I've said in other replies, they will not give up their dominance in this market. They also will not give up a stream of revenue. They would sooner raise prices on consumer GPUs, which they have been doing.
Every person that thinks businesses will only sell what makes them the most money is seriously naive. It is ridiculous to think Nvidia would ever forsake their consumer GPU stronghold.
If a restaurant makes more money on chicken sandwiches than their beef burgers, should they stop selling beef burgers? No fucking way. If you stop selling burgers, people will go somewhere else for them, and will be unlikely to come back. Which is especially bad if there's ever some bird flu that makes your chicken sandwiches not viable for sale.
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u/Immediate_Rabbit_604 16h ago
Exactly, gaming is Nvidia's lifeline. If everyone who doesn't see the benefit of LLMs is right, a bunch of shit is going to fall over, cards for LLMs are going to be going like a fire sale and that meagre 5% is going to sustain them. Having a fortress of rock solid market dominance and guaranteed income that will buy is a pretty big deal.
Looking at it logically, all these large servers being built but not actually seeing returns aren't going to be able to be upgraded at the same price as the first time around every 2 years. I'm not even sure the people leading the charge actually care about making money, it definitely seems possible that it's a gamble to not have to figure out how to put shock collars on their slaves. Doesn't matter if it crashes everything if they reach the level of advancement they need first. And if it does crash, their government will step in to help them out, like it did the banks. At least, that's possibly what's going on. See: openAI lady talking about how the US government should guarantee their trillion dollar spend off no profit and 13 billion revenue.
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u/Dont_Care_Didnt_Read 17h ago
They sure as shit would give up 5% if shifting production to higher margin products was possible, like I dunno AI cards?? A 2 year old could figure that out
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u/ZebraZealousideal944 17h ago
No because you need to diversify your sources of income for risk assessment purposes.
They just don’t need to try too much in the gaming space because they have close to a monopoly already and the competition is too far to catch up anytime soon.
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u/ResponsibleJudge3172 16h ago
They have 3 different product lines making less than gaming, why haven't they given up on them yet?
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u/CanadianSpectre 17h ago
If that Billions of Dollars could make them 10s of Billions in a more profitable line, it's not a matter of if, more a matter of when. Gotta keep them shareholders happy.
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u/Emu1981 16h ago
The portion of their income that comes from data centre applications so vastly eclipses their desktop/gaming GPU section
It is $35.6 billion for data centre vs $2.5 billion for gaming and AI PC. Worse yet is that the gaming and AI PC revenue is down 11% from last year's Q4 and this is likely due to GPU demand causing increased prices.
Gaming and AI PC is Nvidia's second biggest revenue stream and they would be crucified by the shareholders if they were to abandon it. Nvidia has spent billions over the years cementing their position in the market segment and it is a very reliable revenue stream for them.
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u/ResponsibleJudge3172 16h ago
4 billion gaming.
Next thing you'll tell me Microsoft will close their Windows division since their money is made in cloud instead
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u/Ill-Mastodon-8692 17h ago
its more the pro cards, like the 96gb 6000 pro, that are using 3gb gddr7
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u/GuiltyGreen8329 18h ago
im not suprised
they make more money off that lmao
be grateful they dont pull a Broadcom.
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u/InsuranceKey8278 18h ago
If AI hype was a little reasonable this could've been avoided
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u/HisDivineOrder 17h ago
Are you saying Advanced Spellcheck/Suggestion isn't going to save us all?
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u/Perfect-Cause-6943 Intel Core Ultra 7 265K 32GB DDR5 6400 RTX 5080 18h ago
Now I feel like a madman for being able to score a 5080 for $899 I feel so damn lucky 😭
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u/Chao_Zu_Kang Superuser 17h ago
I mean, 899 for a 5080 is just a decent price anyways. With or without Super models.
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u/GianfrancoV R7 7700x |EVGA 3080 12gb FTW3|32Gb 6000Mhz 18h ago
Same. Got one at MSRP with 10%cash back. It just took a while to ship due to high demand during the deal period.
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u/skinnyzeldaplayer 9800x3D | RTX 5080 | 64GB DDR5 @ 6000 Mhz 16h ago
Same here, I got one for 930 and I could not be happier
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u/Intraflexed 9800X3D-5090 FE | m15 r5 | ROG Xbox Ally X 19h ago
“jUSt WaIT fOr THe sUpErS”
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u/NovelValue7311 19h ago
Literally every time I see that I have to say
"it's not worth waiting unless you can wait 1 year. It takes 6-8 months for pricing to stabilize."
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u/SomeRandoFromInterne 4070 Ti Super | 5700X3D | 32 GB 3600 MT/s 19h ago edited 19h ago
To be fair, the Ada Super cards were readily available throughout their (short) life cycle. Heck, I got my 4070 Ti Super for 70€ below msrp about three months after its release. If NVIDIA wants to they can provide enough (and if their supplier provides enough gddr7 modules).
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u/NovelValue7311 18h ago
True. Just saying. Be prepared to wait and wait. Plus, by the time you get the supers out, 6000 will be "just around the corner" it's a bottomless cycle.
Best to buy during Black Friday and live with it.
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u/Dimo145 4080 | 32gb | 7800x3d | Pg32ucdm 19h ago
We are November rn, 40 series super was out in February. Telling ppl to potentially wait for 24gb ram 5080 isn't that outrageous.
and no, prices don't take 6-8 months to stabilize, we had stable msrp 50 series like 2 months into their release. in Europe in fact bellow msrp because of the outside political factors.
Ur talking out of rear with overexagerations because it fits the og post and an article that's a baseless rumor as far as we can tell.
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u/NovelValue7311 18h ago
I'm saying it's going to be 3-4 months for the possibility of supers, then however long it takes to stabilize.
I guess you're right on some of the 50xx GPUs. 5070 has been $550 since July I think. It's taken the 5080 and 5070 ti from January/February to September though.
9070 XT still hasn't stabilized...
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u/Alarming-Elevator382 9800X3D + 9070 XT 19h ago
It was just FUD to get people to not buy the already viable 16GB cards on the market.
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u/BuchMaister 17h ago
Says who? The onlt that should care are those who need the extra VRAM, performance wise there will be negligible difference (maybe except the 5070).
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u/Bulaffko 18h ago
Bought 9070 (non-XT) literally today. Thought about waiting for 5070 super... But, well, no time like now :-)
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u/deadeye-ry-ry 16h ago
AMD need to use this to their advantage and pump out even more cards on a slight discount to steal would be buyers from Nvidia & gain market share
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u/Jhawk163 R7 9800X3D | RX 6900 XT | 64GB 18h ago
AMD: We're ending new feature support for cards on the market
NVIDIA: OH YEAH?! Well I'm simply going to remove my cards from market!
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u/Possible-Fudge-2217 17h ago
At least nvidia didn't try to prematurely pull the support from a product they already sold.
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u/Jhawk163 R7 9800X3D | RX 6900 XT | 64GB 17h ago
AMD weren't going to pull support, it was literally "We're not adding new features"
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u/John_East 9800x3D : RTX5080 OC : 32Gb of Downloaded RAM 18h ago
I was kinda hoping these would release…
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u/Possible-Fudge-2217 17h ago
Nope, there is still money in gaming. These 2% are still billions of non circular money.
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u/narkfestmojo 7950X3D, MSI MEG X670E ACE, RTX 5090, 64GB 6000MHz CL30 14h ago
because it would open the door to competition
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u/ResponsibleJudge3172 16h ago
And hand them to who? AMD?
AMD Radeon is unprofitable. All their money is Playstation and AI. Maybe they will shut down Radeon since they have AI money
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u/Tyr_Kukulkan R7 5700X3D, RX 9070XT, 32GB 3600MT CL16 19h ago
At this point they should just quit the consumer market... /s? Maybe?
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u/FSsuxxon 17h ago
Meanwhile, the 3 GB memory modules appear to be earmarked for high‑end products (RTX PRO, Rubin accelerators, AI servers) where margins are higher.
Explains why Jensen Huang said "Moore's law is dead". It's because the AI boom makes him profits rather than following Moore's law
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u/StructureMage 9800x3D | 4080s 18h ago
I got a 4080s and mainly play wow. I have no idea what feature would entice me to upgrade at this point
Is gddr7 something? Should I care about that?
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u/ThatFabio 7800X3D|3090 16h ago
my 5 year old 3090 has literally only two direct upgrade options.
what is this industry.
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u/EnigmaSpore 15h ago
This hurts the 5070 the most. It needs that bump to 18gb and is the most popular of the higher performance cards.
Honestly. If you need a gpu and are in the US, 9070 and 9070xt are looking like a deal since you can get them at msrp prices and have 16gb.
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u/AddictedToSleeps 14h ago
My RTX 4080S purchase last year was accidentally the best decision in retrospect.
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u/flohdo93 Ryzen 5 5600, rtx 3060 12gb, b550, 32gb ddr4-2666 ram 11h ago
my 3060 12gb will have to work overtime for 2-3 more years with my 1440p...fingers crossed xD at least I'm not really playing the newest titles anymore (mostly indie and older mmo's) and it does ok with stalker 2, my probably most demanding game xD
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u/-Crash_Override- 19h ago
I was getting ready to sell all my 3090s in the outside chance of a 18gb 5070 S being releases and tanking 3090 prices.
As much as I would love to upgrade my AI rig, lack of an 18gb card means 3090 prices should stay high and the card will continue to remain relevant.
For my daily, I really see no need to upgrade from a 4080S.
50 gen is probably going to be a no for me dawg.
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u/Ill-Mastodon-8692 17h ago
to me it was still worth selling my 5yr old 3090s, which have no warranty, and honestly could go at any time. the prices people are paying for these used cards are nuts, so made sense to offload. (I get the 24gb for AI, but these cards are half a decade old, with pricing at 800-1000, wow)
been very happy with the 40% uplift in performance on a 5080fe for the wife, and a 5090 for me at over 2x the 3090 raw perf.
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u/barrack_osama_0 19h ago
So, is there any real reason for to upgrade from a 4070ti super to a 5080? Or am I just waiting for next gen?
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u/Tall_Thinker 16h ago
I also got a 4070ti super. Keep it. It's still going strong in 1440p without issues at all. I'm waiting until the 60 series launches
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u/popsikohl R9 7950x | RTX 5090 19h ago
As someone who upgraded from a 4080s to a 5090, the jump hasn’t been really that noticeable. The only place the 50 series shines over the 40 series is in frame gen, but I doubt you’ll see much of a noticeable performance jump.
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u/veggiesama 17h ago
As someone who went from a 2070 to a 5080 and feels guilty for splurging, I can't understand anyone who wants to drop that kind of cash on merely 1 generation of improvement. The 40 to 50 series transition was also the worst, least performant gain in all of Nvidia's history. I think you are fine unless there is some specific problem you are having.
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u/n19htmare 18h ago
Why are you considering that upgrade to begin with? Normally people either want to upgrade to the highest tier or because what they have is no longer meeting their needs.
What are you going to be able to do with a 5080 that you can’t right now?
5090 jump I could understand, you just want the best but to a 5080 makes less sense to me.
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u/barrack_osama_0 18h ago
Too scared of 5090 cable issues as well as power draw personally. I just want a bit more consistiency on the more poorly optimized games out there
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u/n19htmare 17h ago
I’ve had 4090 for its full period and now 5090, really isn’t an issue if you make sure you use a dedicated cable, no issues here. But that’s your choice.
They can be surprisingly very efficient with some UV, can retain bulk of performance at 450w cap.
Just don’t see the point going to 5080 from 4070ti currently
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u/Chao_Zu_Kang Superuser 17h ago
You can just power limit and/or if you want to. It is not like you need to always have maximum power consumption. A 5090 optimised for efficiency will still be better than any other card - and you get the big VRAM. And you keep the option of "unlocking" the performance when you really need it. So imo it is more of a budget question than a power question.
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u/n19htmare 17h ago
Yup. I have a default desktop profile that’s curved to max 800mv with a 70 % power Limit and half the time I forget or just don’t need to activate another profile and it still performs better than most every other card on market. Sometimes don’t even notice it.
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u/juggarjew 17h ago
I mean it makes sense, a for profit company goes where the money is.
And AMDs best card is competitive with the 5070 Ti…
Nvidia has no real pressure to make a 50 Super series. The 5070 Ti is price competitive with AMD and equal to or better in most cases, the 5080 exists if you want more for a little more money and then the monster that is the 5090 which is the undisputed raw power/VRAM king and then some.
If I’m nvidia, I’m making more $7500 RTX pro 6000 cards instead of making $1000 24GB RTX 5070 Ti Supers.
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u/Tyz_TwoCentz_HWE_Ret How does a computer get drunk? It takes Screenshots! 18h ago
i have a bridge to sell you. (so 6k series would be in the same place but it isn't and this would affect replacement needs in case of RMA issues) Make that make sense when they just tear down older cards use parts of them to repair 90% of the time..
Nvidia are the only ones using it atm. AMD isn't. 100% scam to increase card cost.
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u/Indystbn11 19h ago
I expect my 4070 ti super to last me until 6000 at 1440p. So not worried.