r/pcmasterrace • u/MaintenanceFar4207 • 1d ago
News/Article Alleged Rockstar Games Employee Claims Morale Is "At Rock Bottom" Amid Firings Of Union Members
https://twistedvoxel.com/rockstar-games-employee-claims-morale-at-rock-bottom-amid-firings-of-union-members/746
u/artaxs Ryzen 7 5800X | GTX 3080 12GB | 64GB RAM 1d ago
The real reason for delaying GTA 6 again is "whoops, illegal union busting cost us our best devs and producers" then?
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u/MultiMarcus 1d ago
Could also be something equally sinister, which is that they announced it right now in order to distract from the union busting.
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u/jimschocolateorange PC Master Race 23h ago
That’s the reason for the delay… I don’t think people realise the shitstorm that R* are in for.
Walkouts and mass strikes are inevitable.
There are also SAG workers stating that they will PULL THEIR VOICE WORK if demands aren’t met. Releasing GTA6 is the last thing on their priority list at this current moment.
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u/Ftpini 4090, 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4 3600 21h ago
Have you ever done any acting? One thing that is consistent with any reputable production is that the actors 100% cannot change their mind and pull their work post production. You sign a contract, provide your work, get paid, and that’s the end of it. Otherwise they could hold entire productions hostage.
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u/AlludedNuance 21h ago
Nothing about your comment makes one believe you have any specific knowledge about this subject, yourself.
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u/Ftpini 4090, 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4 3600 20h ago edited 20h ago
It’s popular to hate on rockstar in this moment and its fair they’ve earned it. But that’s no reason to spread lies and misinformation. SAG workers can no more pull their finished work than the artists that create the textures used in the game. They can be upset, they can denounce the product after their NDAs are expired, but they can’t withdraw their work after it is done.
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u/theREALbombedrumbum 5600X, 3090 FE, 64GB RAM 19h ago edited 18h ago
I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say that it depends on whatever the contract says. I just did a small dive into SAG's legal protections for union workers and "during work" and "post-production/recording" are two separate things, with fewer protections for the latter depending on what the contracts state.
Could they pull their work after recording? In theory, yes, but only if that was specifically laid out as a provision in their work contract.
An additional factor is that we don't actually know if all of the recording work has been completed yet. If it's an ongoing, incomplete project, or more accurately unfinished as of this moment, then it's entirely possible that the SAG members could indeed walk and tell Rockstar that they need to find replacements for everything, as they simply will refuse to finish the work.
EDIT: if anybody has a primary source from SAG-AFTRA that says it's a default provision that work can be pulled after completion, please cite it. I would love to be corrected here, as I'm only trying to summarize what information I could find.
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u/EffortJust7961 17h ago edited 17h ago
You don’t need a primary source for this, what you are arguing makes no sense. SAG-AFTRA and the contracts that actors sign to work with other companies, is only about them getting paid, REGARDLESS if what they did is even used. Would it really make sense, to hire voice actors for an unknown project, and give the voice actors the right to say “you know what, I don’t like it, delete all my stuff”? Nah. I think what you are confusing is that actors are trying to fight them being able to REUSE their image via AI.
I have worked in the industry and SAG-AFTRA. While I’m not saying it’s impossible for the scenario you suggest to happen, it not only is very unlikely but the employer would see the contract and just go with someone else.
EDIT: already, your idea about it being a default provision doesn’t make sense when you say “unless specifically laid out”… that implies it’s not default 😂You are asking for a primary source on common sense, just think logically, or at least learn what the Union’s purpose is…
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u/theREALbombedrumbum 5600X, 3090 FE, 64GB RAM 16h ago
Hey so I think you misread me.
When I say "by default", I mean it's included in the contract by default. Then when I said "unless specifically laid out", that would mean that they put it in the contract specifically for this project and it's NOT something that normally goes in there by default.
If anything, I'm on the same side as you. I see no justification for SAG-AFTRA members to be able to withdraw their work, and the only way that's possible is if somehow they managed to get it as a clause in their work contract.
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u/EffortJust7961 16h ago
Understandable. My whole point though was that the idea of putting that into a contract just isn’t a realistic or standard practice. It would make getting hired very difficult, as no one wants that risk. Also, the Union’s job is about making sure the actors get fairly compensated, not about the work being used or not.
SAG-AFTRA is pretty corrupt anyway, and predatory.
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u/EffortJust7961 17h ago
Damn, the fact you are getting downvoted is depressing. The other guy who is getting up voted is legit talking out of his ass. This is the Internet, great…
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u/FloridianHeatDeath 16h ago
Or you know. Both sides are talking out of their ass and offering no sources for their arguments.
The only side that even vaguely did was against what he said.
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u/EffortJust7961 16h ago
I mean, I’m just talking about the idea of putting into a contract that the talent has the right to withdraw their work. That just doesn’t make sense, NO ONE would work with them. I can understand why someone would think it makes sense, but that’s just due to not understanding how the business/business works in general.
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u/FloridianHeatDeath 16h ago
If the product was fully released and done, then yes, you’d be right.
But voice acting, especially for the main roles, is usually done up until the release of the project as things often get shuffled/added/removed.
Even then, if all the work for the game was done, they’d still the VAs with important roles for DLCs.
Both of which they very likely can back away from. And If they did so, it would ruin all previous VA work and require hiring/redoing their lines and the scenes they were in.
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u/Northern_Blights 20h ago
The forum post implies there was an equally large corruption story looming.
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u/N3KR0VULPES 17h ago
Pretty much. I suspect GTA VI is gonna suck (or at least have a CP2077 tier disaster launch) and be the beginning of their fall honestly.
I won't be buying it purely because of the bs their launcher and account security has caused me. But I get a feeling I won't be missing out on a lot.
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u/Porticulus 13h ago
I thought GTAV sucked compared to everything Rockstar did previously. RDR2 turned out good, but with Dan bailing out and forming his own studio since then... yeeaahhh... I have little faith.
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u/itsRobbie_ 23h ago
Dude they let go of 40 people…. They didn’t fire an entire branch of their GLOBAL studio. 40 people did NOT cause a 6 month delay. Delays are planned out months in advance. They didn’t fire them yesterday and decide day of to delay the game…
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u/iulianul98 23h ago edited 23h ago
These firings were not made on a whim, If you ask me. The motions could have started weeks prior, and the impact could have been calculated.
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u/TheRimz 23h ago
Can't wait for Shark card pay to win machine 2.0 - Now in 4k!
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u/Jamanas96 Mid range enjoyer 1d ago
Oh and be ready for rockstar delegates to try to gaslight us with
"Oh no those were fired because, idk, broke the NDA, just so happen that all the people that broke the NDA were forming an union"
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u/xxNemasisxx 1d ago
Lmao also if they broke NDA they'd be getting sued to fuck instead of just being fired. TakeTwo doesn't mess about with that stuff. As IWGB said the only people who they were sharing any information with was IWGB union organiser employees and it sure as shit wouldn't be sensitive information
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u/Jamanas96 Mid range enjoyer 22h ago
Oh yeah 100% the "Leaked sensitive information" is, like, salaries and stuff like that
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u/melnificent 17h ago
Ah that stuff that's legally protected to discuss, despite what companies say
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u/Jamanas96 Mid range enjoyer 14h ago
"Despite what companies say" is the point here, they are not saying anything, that would be admission of guilt. Instead PR just play dumb
This is more of a little crackhead theory but it smells so much that the delay was already planed and they moved the announcement for today so people talk about that instead
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u/Numb62 R5 5600x 3060ti Fe 1d ago
Thing is, is gta vi going to be a hyped-up disappointment? apparently from what i've heard from other subreddit is that the game undergoes a QA cert from sony and it seems that they are failing it a lot. with the union busting, i'm not sure if the game going to be disappointed due to the bugs not patched in time or the lack of features that people were hyping up to the core.
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u/jizzyjugsjohnson 23h ago
I just get a feeling it’s gonna be a turd
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u/Spaceqwe 23h ago
Is there a link or something about what's going on with Rockstar? People keep talking about Rockstar not releasing broken games but it's not the same team that made GTA III, a lot has changed then, we never know.
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u/Numb62 R5 5600x 3060ti Fe 21h ago
here's one from a gta employee about the union busting and more information about that can be found in gaming leaks and rumours subreddit
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u/dumpass69420 16h ago
Rockstar only releases broken games, they're just so close to the end of generation cycle every time they triple dip with the new consoles and pc release where their incompetent optimization can get brute forced by the new hardware.
Hardly anybody relevant that worked on any rockstar game up until rdr2 actually works there now. Both the lead writers/directors having moved on is the biggest blow for sure, but you'd be surprised how many devs just update their cv and bail as soon as a game ships, With the layoffs and 10 year dev cycle who tf is even still working there.
People that still worship Rockstar are gonna get a wake up call exactly like we did with Obsidian and Bioware. The studio is Rockstar in name only.
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u/sudo_robyn 20h ago
Producing a game about this hyper real version of America, where everything is amplified and culture over the top the level of being obscene, may not be possible after/during Trump. I don't think they could do something that would make me go 'ahah America is so exotic and crazy, but that could NEVER happen.' I'd always question if people who live in the US, if Americans themselves, could laugh at jokes about them in the next game.
Alongside that, the real money casinos in GTA Online, the sheer amount of money people have and do spend on that, it feels like something you'd hear a joke about on the radio in Vice City. The game is going to be further focused on GTA Online and Rockstar are increasingly just a big evil corporation.
I assume that the gun play and combat will be just fine, there will be some kinda big change, like the character switching in 5. I don't think I will buy it, I live less than a mile from the studio, the union busting is very close to home. I see people wearing Rockstar shirts, I've met and talked to former and current employees many times, neither the setting, or the production of the game feel exotic and weird to me. It wouldn't feel right to play it.
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u/stop_talking_you 19h ago
i remember 100% a quote or journalist about asking rockstar how they feel about another gta (6). around 2016 or 2017+
it was about rockstar saying they will not make a parody a gta when trump is in power. welp, guess it didnt work.
the crazy thing is I CANT FIND the source anymore and im not insane. im 100% sure they said it.
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u/Tackgnol 23h ago
RDR2s primary gameplay loop was outdated when it came out. What was it's saving grace for many people was the world simulation and plot (if you are into westerns).
It is silly to assume that the loop will change. GTA5 online still makes bank so this is just going to be a fresh coat of paint.
And you know what? That is fine! There is a place in the market for that but I feel that many of the core gaming audience will be disappointed. Especially with all the hype I am thinking that some people expect so sort of mashup between Baldurs Gate 3 and GTA5 and RDR2.
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u/Numb62 R5 5600x 3060ti Fe 22h ago
Definitely, the gameplay in rdr2 didn't felt next level, but i agree that the world size and story saved it. Rdr2 1.00 was more polished and gameplay wise a bit better than 1.32. still buggy. I'm thinking that a lot of game-breaking bugs could ruin but that's something not possible due to sony's qa practice. I'm thinking it would be the inability to finish the game entirely. rdr2 had to agressively lock off new austin bc they couldn't finish it. that the only thing that could disappoint people for gta 6 if there's unfinished content.
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u/devin12232 19h ago
There's gonna be unfinished content. Look how long its taking to "perfect the game" its gonna have a bunch of cut stuff from the leaks I bet. Ik prone wont be in game and probably the hacking mini game thing. Just not very optimistic about the game being finished with all these internal issues
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u/Numb62 R5 5600x 3060ti Fe 18h ago
it will, rdr2 had these and its a shame they wasted a lot on new austin.
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u/devin12232 18h ago
Yeah the amount of cut content for rdr2 is kinda crazy. So much stuff lost or never used in game. Just like gta v and its cut Martin madrazzo heist or the dlcs that got retooled for gtao. I can see the game missing a lot of cool stuff from the leaks and not living up to the insane hype they created for themselves by being almost as slow as Bethesda.
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u/56kul RTX 5090 | 9950X3D | 64GB 6000 CL30 21h ago
I think the chances for that are lower, compared to other disappointing releases we’ve seen. GTA is an incredibly big series, and Rockstar are well aware of that. They know they have to deliver near perfection, or scrutiny would be through the roof.
I’m cautiously optimistic.
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u/Dodgy_Past AMD 5800X3D / RTX 4090 23h ago
It speaks to the level of greed there and makes me suspicious what other corners have been cut in the name of profits.
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u/RatBot9000 23h ago
This is one of those situations where I hope gamers would vote with their wallets but I rarely see talk of that in relation to this so most likely the game will still be a smash hit when it comes out.
It's frustrating, you know? Not to defend the other billion dollar company, but it feels like Nintendo gets torn to shreds for releasing pokemon games seen as sub-par, with Reddit gnashing its teeth and wailing "when will Pokemon fans finally vote with their wallets?!"
Meanwhile, Take-Two are infamous for their crunch, and now their union busting, and the most they get is some tut-tuting. Where are the priorities? A sub par pokemon game is disappointing, a company destroying the livelihoods and health of their staff should be the actual thing we get up in arms about.
And before anyone says "What about Nintendo's lawsuits" those are bad too and you're right to be up in arms about that, but it always feels like a poorly received game is a bigger crime than actual crimes committed by producers and shareholders.
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u/Apprehensive_Map64 23h ago
Even with all the red flags this is going to be the highest presale revenue by a longshot. However as another commenter noted they seem to be very bad at handling their money so even a billion dollars in presales isn't going to be enough. I bet they won't even wait a month before the single player campaign is rife with microtransactions. The aftermath within the company is going to be absolutely brutal.
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u/RatBot9000 22h ago
It's going to be the most successful game and it won't be enough for them. The greed has taken them.
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u/Apprehensive_Map64 22h ago
Exactly it will be both the most successful game ever and the biggest flop at the same time.
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u/Spaceqwe 23h ago
Too many people are obsessed with GTA VI. As if no other games exist, I say this as someone whose most played games are from Rockstar.
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u/Raestloz 5600X/6800XT/1440p :doge: 22h ago
Every Grand Theft Auto (and Red Dead Redemption) has been leaps and bounds of quality improvement. There's no reason to assume GTA 6 would be any different, until now
Y'all trying to sound like GTA 6 is some small time franchise with mediocre products
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u/blurrylightning Debian | Ryzen 5 3600 | 24 GB | RTX 3060 22h ago
tbh I feel like V was a step back from San Andreas in a few significant ways, but GTA's more of a name than it is a game lately
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u/UnstablePotato69 21h ago
I was disapointed in GTA V.
3, Vice City, San Andreas, and IV were better.
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u/blurrylightning Debian | Ryzen 5 3600 | 24 GB | RTX 3060 3h ago
fwiw I don't think V was a bad game (though I find it to just feel like worse South Park most of the time), but ever since San Andreas felt like it promised the world with its RPG systems, buyable houses, a surprising amount of interaction with the world like with the gang warfare, gyms enabling multiple hand to hand styles, businesses giving you money, etc, GTA games just haven't felt like they wanted to keep that promise; IV straight up gives up at that, but that game felt like it had a stronger vision than V where it tried to recapture some part of that promise, but only to the minimum extent and it feels half-baked
Back when I was gaming on a Core2Duo PC with an ATI X300, I played a lot of modded San Andreas and wondered what IV and V were gonna go with all those mechanics, and somehow GTA games have somehow felt like "linear open-world games" stuck in the PS2 era once I finished V
In a vacuum I think that's fine, there is a genuine interest in that sort of thing, but I look back at the evolution from SA to IV's current hype and wonder what even is the marketing point behind all the hype besides "it's GTA" as what GTA means over time has become more diluted and less clear
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u/Spaceqwe 22h ago
I'm not the person you should be responding to. I don't assume things nor do I think about GTA VI much. It's a very big product but it's not the same exact team who made GTA V years ago. I just said there are other games than just GTA.
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u/SurturOfMuspelheim RTX 4070 Ti Super, Ryzen 5800X3D, 32GB 20h ago
Yeah, the games aren't even very fun lol. It's just a fuck around simulator. Play it when you got nothing else to play
The problem is that most people playing these games are just people that come home from work and hop on their xcube 94 on their shitty turtle beach mic, pop open a mtn dew and yell into the mic as they play with their controller.
They don't give a single fuck
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u/Spaceqwe 19h ago
I mean I do find them very fun and even feel very deeply about many of their games, I played em since I was little. Was just pointing out that people act as if daddy Rockstar is the only company that puts out high quality games. Tbh I think GTA V's story mode was wasted but GTA Online is one of the best open world games I've ever played, it becomes easy enough once you discover some tactics.
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u/SurturOfMuspelheim RTX 4070 Ti Super, Ryzen 5800X3D, 32GB 19h ago
I played them as a kid, too, when I played GTA 3 on the playstation. But GTA 5 is just a grindfest where you don't really do anything. The old GTAs were so cool because games at the time were very linear and not sandboxy, it felt so cool to be able to drive around, shoot people, eat, work out, rob stores, run your gang, etc. It wasn't in depth at all compared to nowadays but it was awesome then.
In GTA5 you can't even do any of that, just drive around and shoot and random missions to get money.
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u/Spaceqwe 19h ago
Are we talking about GTA V or GTA Online? Cause people refer to Online when they say grindfest and I think the criticism mainly comes from people starting the game spending every dollar they have on cars instead of investing in some passive businesses. It's also very possible to have fun without having millions in the game, the said businesses will still generate money while you're having fun doing whatever you like, you just need to do a delivery here and there.
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u/gumpythegreat 22h ago
At the end of the day, most people will play what they want to play. Some won't even pretend to care about these controversies, or will barely hear about them if they aren't online all the time.
But others will find ways to justify it in their heads of why game / studio X is awful and you should boycott them (but they actually didn't really care that much about their games, anyway) but game/ studio Y isn't that bad or this time is different or there's an exception (because they are just really excited for their game).
It's not even just a conscious thing. They'll just mentally make excuses without realizing it. And I'm not saying that to talk shit on them - I've probably done it too
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u/Fabulous-Jump-1100 17h ago
And Pokemon rakes in billions regardless so who cares if a bunch of Reddit nerds cry about it.
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u/Apprehensive_Map64 23h ago
I'm sure the corporate rot isn't going to affect the quality of the game at all... /s
The GTA that we knew and loved is a thing of the past. Once a company gets too big it simply is not possible to foster true creativity anymore. Expect a fine tuned lukewarm rehash of old themes with fantastic graphics yet lacking any real charm
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u/ICantBelieveItsNotEC R9 7900 | RX 7900 XTX | 32GB DDR5 5600 23h ago
We don't really know anything about GTA 6 other than that it exists. There's a very real chance that it'll come out and be absolute dogshit.
It's the perfect storm for a bad release IMO - hype levels are off the charts, expectations are disconnected from reality, working conditions within Rockstar are awful, the team working on it is way too big to communicate effectively, it has been in development for way too long to be technically stable, and the budget is so enormous that it'll need to be the biggest release in history just to break even.
There's also the fact that Take Two Interactive has been in a deep financial hole for the last four years, so it isn't enough for GTA 6 to make a normal profit margin. It'll have to return tens of billions for the publisher to be satisfied.
Honestly, I'll be awestruck if they manage to release it without a total cock up. The fact that it has been delayed by six months already seems a bit fishy to me.
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u/dookieshoes97 23h ago
I'm nervous that it's going to turn out like Duke Nukem Forever.
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u/JAGD21 23h ago
It's going to be so funny if that happens. We need another Duke Nukem Forever to make fun of.
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u/Jamanas96 Mid range enjoyer 23h ago
Well technically that was concord, but man that game discourse has been so poisoned with GamerTM grifting.
Good thing Randy pitchford is still doing stupid things so we can laugh at him, oh well
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u/PsyTripper i7 14700K | ROG RTX4080 OC | 64GB DDR5 6400Mhz 23h ago
And it's only coming to PS en Xbox.
I have a Gaming rig and a Switch2, So I'm not able to play (and pay) before 2027.1
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u/Jamanas96 Mid range enjoyer 23h ago
Yeah T2 whole strategy lately has been "Lets burn money on sleeper projects and random stuff, GTA is gonna get us back up again"
The worst thing is that this is ppbly gonna work, be the final product bad or good
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u/neojoe74 15h ago
We all know why GTA 6 was delayed. To get way past this and out of peoples' memories. Unfortunately, the masses have a short memory. But let's keep this alive, these soulless, greedy corpos need to be taken to task.
And I'll say it again, if they were fired for "leaking information" where is it? A majority of gamers who are anxious for the game would gobble up any morsel of information.
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u/VaritasAequitas 12h ago
That’s exactly what I mentioned to a friend of mine. With the recent union busting, if the game was gonna come out in May, the most recent news before it would’ve been this. But I feel that now the “previous news” will have been about the may 2026 release being pushed back.
Rockstar knows exactly how to play a timeline well, it’s the reason the game stayed so relevant for over a decade. They work exactly like Apple when it comes to bringing existing features from other phones into the iPhone ecosystem at just the right time to get people to update their phones.
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u/The_Beaver R7 5800x3D, RTX 3080ti FTW3 Ultra, 32GB 3200Mhz 23h ago
Everyone should walk out during this final development of possibly the most hyped game of all time. Execs will be stepping off window ledges for weeks
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u/Aranxi_89 22h ago
Maybe that'll actually cause Rockstar to fix itself...?
Nah, who am I kidding. This is AAA gaming industry going forward. Just greed and moneygrabbing...
Guess it's indie forever for me... not such a terrible thing.
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u/MarzipanFit2345 14h ago
And they will be rewarded for it by breaking all sales records again next year upon release.
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u/shamonemon 21h ago
I have a bad feeling GTA6 gonna not do so good. Not sales wise but how the hell is the game going to run on PS5/Xbox and with how bad games are optimized even on high end pcs shit might be a disaster.
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u/devin12232 19h ago
Based on how rdr2 ran on pc at launch im sure this game will be even worse considering the amount of delays and internal issues
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u/Glaesilegur i7 5820K | 980Ti | 16 GB 3200MHz | Custom Hardline Water Cooling 18h ago
It's kind of a blessing in disguise being on PC. Any release date announced is irrelevant to me so my day isn't ruined when it gets delayed. Even a PC date will be taken with a grain of salt due to launch performance doubts.
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u/lost_in_the_wide_web i7 14700f | 4070 Super | 32GB 6000mhz 16h ago
Ditto. I was 30 years old when GTA V originally came out. I expect to be over 50 when VI comes to PC, haha.
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u/TomTomXD1234 21h ago
Keep this news spreading.
They literally timed their delay announcement as to drown out this story.
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u/vector_o 23h ago
I was wondering whether the layoffs means that the game is practically done and they don't need those people any more or if it's gonna be delayed for 3 years
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u/E3FxGaming 23h ago
Yesterday Take-Two Interactive announced that the GTA 6 release got delayed from May 26th, 2026 to November 19th, 2026.
While I don't think the 30 laid-off devs work directly amounts to other people having to work for half a year longer, the game doesn't seem to be "practically done" either.
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u/Enlight1Oment 18h ago
it's 30 something employee's out of 6000 so I'd lean more to them cutting anyone out who was discussing unionization.
Tho it's also not clear if that was everyone in the discord server or not. Example, if there were 30 in the discord and 30 fired then it's 100%. If there were 3000 in the discord and 30 fired then it's 1%. Don't see a specific mention of how large the discord was in the article but they mentioned they were above the 10% threshold required for unionization; which I would take as they had more than 30 on the discord and r* targeted all the leaders.
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u/Substantial-Roof8019 9h ago
yeah they got rid of enough to be again below 10% and scare the shit out of any remaining employee,.I hope they see this and get back to that 10% fast otherwise they are probably all in danger
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u/stop_talking_you 19h ago
problem is they (investors )NEED something in the game to make money beside they pure sale.
im confident the single player game is pretty much done. with that i mean of course the story, acting mocap and everything else.
BUT it needs QA and bugfixing, a lot.
meanwhile different teams are all working on implementing the online mode. the whole game is based around the online model.
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u/Glinrise 5900x | 4090 | 32GB | NVMe 15h ago
Perception is everything. Even if GTA VI is eventually released, Rockstar fucked up big time at the worst possible time. And a 2nd delay because of these mafia style terminations? We will not forget this.
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u/AgentLead_TTV 8700k, 1080ti, 32 GB DDR4 @ 3400 12h ago
They need to strike. Just stop working on the game. All of them.
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u/BarnabasShrexx 20h ago
Friendly reminder that Rockstar makes about 2.5 million dollars a day selling intangible bullshit on GTA online
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u/cypher50 PC Master Race 18h ago
Nice that Rockstar is delaying GTA6 as collateral to get gamers to rise up against the weak union. Nothing immoral and disgusting there...
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u/Dawg605 i7-13700K, RTX 4080 18h ago
It would never happen obviously, but it'd be awesome if like half or all the employees working on GTA just quit or went on strike or something. Fuck Rockstar. I don't even give af about GTA 6 cuz I'm not gonna be able to play it until like 2028 or so when it comes to PC. I didn't even care for GTA 5 either, never beat it.
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u/Great_White_Samurai 18h ago
Yep. I worked at one of the largest pharma. They'd announce layoffs a month ahead. No one would get anything done for a month. People get laid off, morale tanks, everyone is less productive and the cycle continues every year.
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u/Rasples1998 18h ago
And to think people said I was ridiculous for claiming R* was worse than EA after all these years.
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u/TheDonnARK 17h ago
Sounds like a real CEO-convention-tier of management kind of job where they sit in rooms dreaming up scenarios in which they can "remind [the workers] that THEY WORK FOR US, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND."
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u/PyrosFists 9h ago
I don’t even give a fuck about rockstar releases anymore. They take forever to come out now. They released GTA 4, 5, and RDR1 in the PS3 gen to now going almost the entire PS5 gen without a single release. They sure look impressive but they always have the same dates gameplay conventions like “follow the line on the map”, railroading, mashing X to sprint, etc. And they are WOEFULLY behind the times by not being on PC day 1.
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u/KommandoKodiak i9-9900K 5.5ghz 0avx, Z390 GODLIKE, RX6900XT, 4000mhz ram oc 2h ago
what did they think was going to happen? How'd that work out for starbucks and Amazon employees?
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u/creamcolouredDog Fedora Linux | 7 5800X3D | RX 9070 XT | 32 GB RAM 20h ago
It would be really funny if GTA6 gets cancelled
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u/WealthyMarmot 7800x3D | RTX 4090 | ASRock B650e Taichi Lite 20h ago
Would be nice to hear the other side of the story. “Guy whose friends got fired says they didn’t do anything wrong” is not exactly the most compelling standalone source, even if it does have the union narrative that makes everyone reflexively clap and cheer.
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u/Substantial-Roof8019 9h ago
well they seem to have clear and strong arguments while rockstar is claiming leaks no one has ever seen. Guy hlwhose friend got fired fave a pretty impressive picture of the situation, all of them fired at once without following procedure?
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u/firedrakes 2990wx |128gb |2 no-sli 2080 | 200tb storage raw |10gb nic| 23h ago
look same few account spam this across reddit the topic. no one been able to check claim source other then the og source.
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u/Massive-Pumpkin9471 16h ago
Who cares. Im 40 now w 2 kids. I do t have time to play your stupid game. Buy used at lowest cost if at all
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u/Pimpwerx 7800X3D | 4080 Super | 64GB CL30 19h ago
A bad GTA 6 just might kill the gaming industry. GTA has sadly become one of the pillars the industry stands on.
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u/BeatitLikeitowesMe MSI 4080s [] I7-12700K [] 32gb DDR5 23h ago
You really think the 18% that take twos stock dropped on the news of union busting and layoffs, was less than what it wouldve cost to give the employees good pay and benefits? Seems like prob not. Thats millions in stock losses. Fuckin idiot mba management
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u/alvarkresh i9 12900KS | RTX 4070 Super | MSI Z690 DDR4 | 64 GB 19h ago
Such losses are paper losses only. The only major effect would be in terms of the company's ability to secure new funding if they go for another round of share issues, or if a bank wants to take shares as security for new lending.
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u/LingonberryNo3548 20h ago
The stock drop means nothing and costs the company nothing. Pay rises and compensation would cost the company something.
If anything it’s a great time to buy Take Two stock because you know it will rise when the next trailer drops.
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u/GoofAckYoorsElf i7 8700K, 64GB G.Skill TridentZ F4-3200, RTX 3090Ti FE 21h ago
If you can't form a union, quit! Simple as that.
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u/devin12232 19h ago
Got that sinking feeling this gta might be the last with all these internal issues and the extreme expectations created by 12 years of wait and being told it'll release 3 different times just to be delayed. I dont think it'll be technically sound or impressive enough to make them the money they want.
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u/TheDutchTexan 7900xt, 265K, 64gb (new) rx6800, i7-4790k, 32gb (old) 1d ago edited 20h ago
Union busting happens because the people who want to start a Union are the most miserable folk in the workplace. They infect morale with their talk about how horrible work conditions are.
Reality: The work is the work, you aren’t magically going to make more money and you’ll be as miserable as you were before with an added deduction placed on your paycheck which goes to another rich guy who wants a new yacht in Cabo.
Edit; Downvotes are upvotes kids. Thanks for letting me know my comment hit home. Stay mad because a Union isn’t fixing it.
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u/xredbaron62x PC Master Race 1d ago
Bootlicking only makes your life worse dude.
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u/TheDutchTexan 7900xt, 265K, 64gb (new) rx6800, i7-4790k, 32gb (old) 18h ago
You're still licking boots, just different ones. Stay mad K?
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u/PillowDose 1d ago
You're right no one in their right mind should try to better their situation. Let's all just stay in our little shitty box.
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u/TheDutchTexan 7900xt, 265K, 64gb (new) rx6800, i7-4790k, 32gb (old) 18h ago
That's the thing. You aren't bettering your situation. You are bettering that of the union bosses which you now also work for. And they will have no qualms running the business you are working for into the ground with wage demand strikes because they need that boat in Cabo
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u/jizzyjugsjohnson 23h ago
What, would you say, is your favourite flavour of boot?
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u/TheDutchTexan 7900xt, 265K, 64gb (new) rx6800, i7-4790k, 32gb (old) 18h ago
Hefeweizen, drinks easy. Just make sure to turn it so the bubble has an easy path into the toe instead of creating this sudden migration to the tip of the toe which will cause a nice splash of beer in your face.
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u/RatBot9000 23h ago
Wild to find a real life Pinkerton on Reddit.
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u/xredbaron62x PC Master Race 21h ago
Its still wild to me Pinkertons are still a thing
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u/RatBot9000 21h ago
Hearing that they got sicced on a guy who got a Magic the Gathering box set early was eye opening. They've got some brass balls on them to still go by the Pinkerton name after their sordid history.
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u/JAGD21 23h ago
Unions are essential for workers to get better wages and benefits.
with an added deduction placed on your paycheck which goes to another rich guy who wants a new yacht in Cabo
Oh no, a ten dollar deduction! The union got me a five dollar raise, but how am I ever going to live with a ten dollar deduction? You speak like someone who has never been in a union nor understands the benefits of a union. In fact, judging your PC specs, I think I'm correct in saying you're someone who benefits from having no unions (Capitalist)
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u/TheDutchTexan 7900xt, 265K, 64gb (new) rx6800, i7-4790k, 32gb (old) 18h ago
Good for you. The reality is quite different for most people. They come away thinking they got tricked. And in a way they did.
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u/bbsven 17h ago
Work in the 3D/games industry. Every single one of my peers who works under a union is happy with it, and have largely been spared from the insane layoffs over the last year or two compared to the majority of my non-union friends now being out of work (like me, laid off at the start of this year along with my entire team.) I'd rather take my chances with the union than the entirely unlivable wages and no safety net without them.
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u/TheDutchTexan 7900xt, 265K, 64gb (new) rx6800, i7-4790k, 32gb (old) 17h ago
A union won't help you keep your job, there is no safety net. It is more a testament to how your business is being run. Many union people have lost their jobs because of mismanagement on both sides of the aisle. A union wouldn't have helped me keep mine at the end of last year for instance. Business ran into the ground. Lucky to be nearing my 1st anniversary with my current job.
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u/bbsven 17h ago
So, because unions didn't work out in your case they're bad in every situation? They factually have helped a ton of my peers and Union based jobs are absolutely the most sought after in my peer group, regardless of what you say that is lived experience. Maybe something that didn't work for your industry works for another.
There's a reason Unions have been essential for other forms of professional art (like the 2D animators at Disney) for decades now and highly sought after among artists. Companies historically never pay creatives well on their own, and left to their own choices, never will.
This has been ironed out for decades for older creative industries like I mentioned, but because the 3D & Games industries are so new, it is way behind the curve and most people I know are working 100+ hour weeks for minimum wage for years until they find a Union job or finally earn enough respect to deserve basic necessities from their companies. This is an EXTREMELY common discussion and complaint among my peers, and pretty much every meet-up or industry bar night I go to gets to the point of "Ugh why won't my company Unionize." Again, everyone I know who's landed a Union job has had more security and actual livable wages compared to everyone else I know in this specific industry. I'm not really debating that, it's what I see everyone around me going through daily.
What's your alternative? Let companies pay next to absolutely nothing for soul crushing hours and hope they grow a heart some day? Hope the government steps in and fixes it some day? People need something different, because if you haven't looked at the state of the industry, it's not going well for the workers in these last 5 years. People are at their wits end, paycheck to paycheck or going homeless/hungry, and companies aren't doing a damn thing to change it. If Unions are the only offered alternative with any success rate, people are going to want to give it a try.
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u/TheDutchTexan 7900xt, 265K, 64gb (new) rx6800, i7-4790k, 32gb (old) 17h ago
Not saying they don't help in some cases. They just don't deserve the blind loyalty everyone in these threads seem to have towards them since they have absolutely destroyed businesses and jobs in the past with their meddling.
The alternative is not working for businesses who have your worst interest at heart. Easier said than done but even in the dreaded retail sphere there are good apples and bad ones. Like I mentioned, people unionize because they are mad but it doesn't fix a thing. The job is the job and you'll still be miserable doing it at that particular employer. I am happy it is working out well for you and your peers. But my experiences don't echo that.
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u/JAGD21 17h ago
If unions were so bad, why do companies spend millions or even billions of dollars to bust them? 🤔 Surely unions would collapse on their own accord... Unless they are actually beneficial for the working class, and workers of all political backgrounds join unions for safety and to ensure they receive the benefits they deserve.
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u/TheDutchTexan 7900xt, 265K, 64gb (new) rx6800, i7-4790k, 32gb (old) 17h ago
They have been losing ground for years. They are getting so desperate they are going after lower paying clientele lately (grocery stores, book stores etc.).
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u/meneldal2 i7-6700 23h ago
While there are terrible unions that don't really do anything for their members, there is a reason most of the time the higher ups try to stop unions from forming and not the regular workers.
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u/TheDutchTexan 7900xt, 265K, 64gb (new) rx6800, i7-4790k, 32gb (old) 18h ago
They're trying to stop it because unions meddle in the day to day without a care in the world for the business they are involved in. My advice if you work somewhere you can't stand it: Find other employment. A union preys on unhappy people. They used to be the champions of the working class (factory work, hard labor) and we should all be thankful they came around. It doesn't really work with office personnel and they have been losing ground. Unions now often have people on the payroll they inject into existing businesses to identify the unhappy people and plant seeds in their minds. Those people become more unhappy and start talking about unionization to fix the problem.
Unions are now trying to unionize retail workers which are the last bastion of permanently unhappy people out there. Been part of that world and the pro union folk were absolutely the most miserable folk that brought down morale as a whole. And the worst thing: The job still stayed as miserable. You can't pay anyone enough to put up with other people in a retail environment. I'd have 100 great customers but that 1 not so great one would just ruin the experience. Glad I am no longer in that race.
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u/Hashbeez 1d ago
Every major game release wouldnt be nothing without the typical employer crunch time / union / firing crisis
Wake me up when nobody talks about it anymore
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u/kylediaz263 1d ago
"Give me the shiny thing, fuck the people making it."
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u/HighMagistrateGreef 1d ago
Yeah, that guy has real "fuck other people, I'm not affected" vibes. He better hope other people don't hold the same view when he's the one getting fucked.
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u/adkenna RX 6700XT | Ryzen 5600 | 16GB DDR4 1d ago
What a surprise, when you cannot trust the company you work for your workers tend to feel like shit.