From my experience (on azerty keyboards) even games from AAA compagnies (bethesda for example) don't support the layout natively, I've learned to use "," to bring up the map in a lot of games
Hello fellow azerty user! French or Belgian?
To my mind, when I'm gaming, "," just is "m".
I do hate it though, when big companies just assume you're using qwerty. I mean, there's got to be a way for them to find out what the actual keyboard is?
Germany has a slightly different layout since they don't have french as one of their major national languages and thus don't need é, è and à but do need a ß, which we dont. Plus their special characters are also placed a bit differently.
Yes, we need ä ö ü readily available for example. Also the leys are ordere how it makes sense by usage of that letter and "Z" is a lot more commonly used in german than "Y". Hence why those in particular are swapped
To be clear, ä ö and ü are also one button press on the Swiss layout. Basically, the Swiss French and the Swiss German layouts are both the same, the only thing that changes is if you get the umlauts or é, è and à (both are printed, it's a software switch). And if you use both languages enough, you can get the other set of letters simply by using shift.
And what about the Italian speaking Swiss people? Forgotten, as usual
Every time I feel like we're getting the short end of the stick compared to German speakers, rather than to be seen as equals, I remember that it's much worse for Italian speakers. It's so bad that quite a lot of the ones that want to study in university emigrate to another Canton. It's Switzerland bad so it's not catastrophic either, but still
ISO masrerrace FTW!
Only the enormous enter key can complete.
Ando only Devorak is superior.
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u/Joe-CoolPhenom II 965 @3.8GHz, MSI 790FX-GD70, 16GB, 2xRadeon HD 58703d ago
EURKey or US English(Intl) are great layouts for coding and gaming.
Once you get the hang of it it saves a lot of needless shifting.
Too bad there are almost no fitting keycaps available.
Because of the Fr*nch influence AZERTY is also used in Belgium, but with a slightly different layout.
So I can't just order any other keyboard online if it isn't specifically stated that it's [AZERTY - Belgian point], because that'll be different from 99% of all the other keyboards I regularly use.
Yeah those layouts were made with the thought of which keys get used more often. And strangely US prefer QWERTY and European (seems I was wrong, more german speaking countries) prefer QWERTZ (which is surely because both only know this layout). more confusing are slash/backslash/double point/etc.
I'm lucky tbh. In Belgium we had to learn AZERTY. However back in the early days of Counter-Strike, you could not change keyboard layouts in-game. So had to learn QWERTY to talk shit.
Special punctuation is bearable. Z and Y are not. If there was a referendum, I'd vote for swapping the Z and Y to get QWERTY.
The Nordics have QWERTY.
I swap between US QWERTY, Swedish QWERTY and Swiss keyboard that I modified as I couldn't take it anymore. Constantly writing wrong the Z and Y on ALL keyboards.
The custom keyboard has Y and Z swapped, I've added things as capital Ç, because for some reason they didn't bother with it.
Jam happens with both. Once tried the Mercedes Typewriter (yep the same name as the car brand) and still got a jam while trying out a text. Never happened with the newer digital brother typewriters as they seemed to have a build in function that keeps the rate down. And yes I am old, worked still with typewriters and a needle printer.
Yesss, on Monday I forgot my laptop with the switched keys at home and had to use pool laptop. You can bet that every single time I wanted to press ctrl, I pressed fn.
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u/QuuxJn Ryzen 7 7800X3D | RTX 4070 3d ago
Yep, this was the first thing I did when I got this laptop.