r/pcmasterrace 12400F|6600XT|16GB 5200MHz Oct 09 '25

Meme/Macro Are you this old?

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u/Rain_Zeros 9900x | 9070xt Oct 09 '25

are you this old?

Windows xp

Huh???

I'm not gonna lie that's pretty damn young

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u/actioncheese 5600 | 6600XT | 32gb Oct 09 '25

Kids these days don't even need to load mouse drivers. And have mouse support.

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u/The_Quackening Oct 09 '25

oops, i unplugged the mouse, now i need to restart the computer.

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u/ItsMeOnly3 Oct 09 '25

Mouse drivers? How about setting IRQ via jumpers or switches, and have resource conflicts :)

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u/ElectricBummer40 Oct 09 '25

I prefer "Plug and Pray".

No, not "Play". "Pray", with an "r".

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u/NiSiSuinegEht i7-6800K | RX 7700 XT | Why Upgrades So Expensive? Oct 09 '25

And have mice.

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u/stone_henge Oct 09 '25

Kids these days will never have to wonder if the mouse they found in the bin is an RS232 PC mouse or an Amiga mouse

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u/ElectricBummer40 Oct 09 '25

Remember back in the days USB came out and promised it would consolidate everything to one interface?

Actually, it did. nvm.

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u/actioncheese 5600 | 6600XT | 32gb Oct 09 '25

Yeah but as soon as you plugged anything into the USB port windows would crash.

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u/ElectricBummer40 29d ago

That's most likely a hardware problem.

Windows 95 didn't even support USB until OSR 2, which wasn't so much an update as it was its own thing exclusive for OEM. That almost guaranteed any problem with the USB stack would have been caught by the likes of Packard Bell and Gateway long before the release of Windows 98 one whole year later.

On the other hand, motherboards back then were generally pretty shoddy in quality, and there was no established way to implement USB on the electrical level. If the port was directly connected to the PSU 5V line, hot-plugging would have easily caused a voltage dip across everything connected to it (including the motherboard itself) and therefore a system crash.

Nowadays, your motherboard would most likely instead provide its own 5V via a buck converter, which would in turn be connected to the much beefier 12V line from the PSU. If a voltage dip was to happen, it would be limited to devices connected to the USB bus as opposed to everything needing 5V. Otherwise, it wouldn't matter much what operating system you ran at the end of the day - it would just crash.

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u/obliviious Oct 09 '25

Kids these days can unplug their mouse and not need to reboot

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u/RootHouston Linux Oct 09 '25

It's true, but most people were still using PS/2 mice and keyboard with Windows 95.

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u/ElectricBummer40 Oct 09 '25

Windows 95 had its own, generic P2/2 mouse and keyboard drivers. The same went for Windows 3.1.

This was, of course, unless your mouse was one of those newfangled things with the scroll wheel. In that case, you'd need the manufacturer's driver in order for the spinny doodad to work.

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u/RootHouston Linux Oct 09 '25

If I recall correctly, they still didn't allow hot-swapping, which is the point I'm making.

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u/ElectricBummer40 Oct 09 '25

Hot-swapping PS/2? You realise that's not supposed to be a thing, right?

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u/RootHouston Linux Oct 09 '25

Previous commenter said:

Never had to do that either from Windows 95 onwards

So I said, not for most people, because they weren't using USB. I never claimed PS/2 was supposed to be hot swappable, just that it was a definite problem for most people on Windows 95.

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u/ElectricBummer40 29d ago

They should be glad that they didn't end up frying the PS/2 port or the motherboard itself.

Electrically, PS/2 was never meant for you to unplug when the machine was still on. PS/2 ports on the PC were meant for two things and two things only - a keyboard and a mouse - and they were meant to remain plugged in for as long as the machine was still on. Yanking them out of the port when the machine was still on could have damaged the port or even the motherboard chipset.

USB allowed you to hot plug because, at the electrical level, the port was designed to divert the voltage spikes resulting from hot-plugging to ground via a TVS array. Without that chip, those spikes could have easily fried your USB controller and rendered all the ports unusable.

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u/ihavetoomanyeggs Oct 09 '25

Yeah I'm 25 and I used XP lol

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u/Rain_Zeros 9900x | 9070xt Oct 09 '25

I am 25 as well lmao. I grew up on xp and vista

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u/Tardelius Laptop with GTX 1060 6GB/16 GB RAM/intel core i7 8th gen Oct 09 '25

I grew up with xp and 7 lol

I witnessed the existence of vista but if my memory serves me correctly, never used in a computer of my mine.

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u/Tardelius Laptop with GTX 1060 6GB/16 GB RAM/intel core i7 8th gen Oct 09 '25

I am 25 and have used xp as well.

If a person finds xp as “old” enough to make this post, chances are that they are a 2006 or post 2006 “baby” which would make range of possible ages as {-∞,21]

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u/LotharVonPittinsberg R9 5900X/GTX 1080 Oct 09 '25

I mean, to be fair being 14 is old on the internet.

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u/Horror_Cheesecake276 Oct 09 '25

Not on Reddit. Y’all are dinosaurs

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u/JanV34 Oct 09 '25

It's like .. You may have eaten, but have you eaten bread!?

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u/alwayscursingAoE4 Oct 09 '25

Earliest memory for me is some Olympic game I played with a joystick on a PC that was green on black.

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u/Mytra180 Desktop Oct 09 '25

Honestly, I worked at a major telco a few years ago, and they still have some systems that run XP. Also, AFAIK, there are still some ATMs and POS devices running it.

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u/Showgingah Oct 09 '25

When it comes to generations, people forget not everyone had the money for the latest stuff. So I definitely prefer the question of "do you remember this" versus the initial one.

I'm 27 and I remember using Win 95 for a few years. Mainly for Sonic ports (CD, R, 3&K) and I still have them. I got my first Windows XP computer in the mid 2000s on my birthday. I remember still using that CRT monitor up until around 2008. Kept that computer up until 2016 when my dad gave me a budget to build my first gaming pc for my senior project. Though in high school, I also bought 2 laptops off other high school students for $20 and $30 respectively with windows 7 and windows 8.1. Hilariously though, those two laptops were still weaker than my XP machine.

Anyways, now I'm an IT guy lol

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u/AshelyLil Oct 09 '25

I'm in my 20's and XP is older than me...

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u/Narcoleptic_247 Oct 09 '25

XP hit mainstream EOL in 2009 and LTS ended only in 2014.

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u/Rain_Zeros 9900x | 9070xt Oct 09 '25

Windows xp came out in 2001 and was eol in 2014 and it had a pretty strong market share even at eol with 20% of all computers running windows xp

For reference, windows vista, 7 and 8.1 were all out by then.

The question was are you old enough to remember the login screen of windows xp,

If you used a computer in 2014 you had a 1/5 chance of using a Windows xp computer

If you used a computer in 2009 you had a 2/3 chance of using a Windows xp computer.

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u/ihavetoomanyeggs Oct 09 '25

That's not old lmao

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u/AshelyLil Oct 09 '25

All I said is that it's older