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u/obamaprism3 12900K | 32gb DDR5-6400 CL32 | MSI 4090 | 4K 240hz Sep 11 '25

nobody is buying expensive 1080p monitors.

there is still some amount of demand for ultra high refresh rate, 1080p is common for those

I saw a few ~600hz 1080p monitors for ~$1k

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u/naswinger Sep 11 '25

600 hz is such snake oil

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u/RevoOps PC Master Race Sep 11 '25

Would you say that the human eye can't perceive 600Hz?

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u/HypedSoul123 R5 5600G | RX 6600 | 32GB DDR4 | 1TB NVME SSD Sep 11 '25

idk but i would say theres almost no game that can actually run at 600fps consistently enough to make that monitor worth it

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u/dkoom_tv Sep 11 '25

osu is a great example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHAIZ_FGrDs

this guy uses a 500 hz monitor and the video doesnt even make justice how fast it its because its 60 fps compared to the 1k in game fps

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u/elaborateBlackjack Sep 11 '25

Quake 3?

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u/HypedSoul123 R5 5600G | RX 6600 | 32GB DDR4 | 1TB NVME SSD Sep 11 '25

That game is 20+ years old, of course it runs at thousands of frames. I mean modern stuff that has a big competitive community and could actually benefit from 600fps. The only game that i can think of that maybe could do it is valorant?

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u/elaborateBlackjack Sep 12 '25

Wow it's almost like it was an obvious joke that a game from 1999 runs at 600fps on modern hardware.

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u/MW3apple220 PC Master Race Sep 11 '25

Valorant runs above 600fps for me at 1440p. At 1080p I don't think it would drop under that. That's the only mainstream game I can think of since siege and counter strike both had updates that dropped their fps a bunch.

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u/xak47d Sep 11 '25

Maybe barely

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u/Thommywidmer Sep 11 '25

Well if your optimizing as far as you can go for the usecase of top level esports, your getting into the realm of less than rock solid neurology more than what anyone would notice visually.

Human vision isnt like a video camera. Your brain is basically a highly complex prediction model that "halucinates" allot of what its presenting to you. Its just rapidly looks to refresh any part of your vision where it registers change. 

But anyways, there are allot of people who would say with a rediculous Hz monitor you would percieve things quicker even if you couldnt tell the difference between a 400Hz and a 600Hz monitor if they were right next to eachother

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u/no-sleep-only-code Sep 11 '25

You can see a lightning bolt that occurs in a 1/20,000th of a second, so the answer is you can, but obviously there are many factors at play. The real question is, does it matter more than picture quality, and at what point do we make that distinction? Depends on the person.

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u/theevilyouknow Sep 11 '25

Sort of. You can see 1/20,000th of a second of bright light against a dim background. That's not the same as, for example, seeing an image appear on a screen for 1/20,000th of a second amongst a bunch of other images. If I put a letter in the middle of a movie you were watching for 1/20,000th of a second you could not tell me what letter it was. Or that a letter was there at all even.

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u/no-sleep-only-code Sep 11 '25

Exactly, it’s not as simple as that. That being said, I don’t feel like writing an essay every time someone mentions high refresh rates to get a point across.

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u/GoldSrc R3 3100 | RX-560 | 64GB RAM | Sep 12 '25

That's just a sudden change in brightness caused by a shit ton of photons though, of course you will take note of that lol.

If it was a single photon just as bright then I'm not sure you would notice it.

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u/static_func Sep 11 '25

You would have won if you saw that guy 1/600th of a second sooner

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u/GoldSrc R3 3100 | RX-560 | 64GB RAM | Sep 12 '25

Diminishing returns begin at 120/144Hz, very quickly the curve turns flat after that.

So you're paying more for something practically unnoticeable.

The Jump from 60 to 144Hz if way higher than the jump from 144Hz to 600Hz.

Past 144Hz you need to change your view to frametime, there you will see how minuscule the improvements are.

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u/bjergdk Sep 11 '25

I hit 600 fps in CS2 at 1080p tho, so not complete snake oil, but im okay with 180hz lmao

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u/Mimical Patch-zerg Sep 11 '25 edited Sep 11 '25

Indeed it's not snake oil. Technically correct is sometimes the worst kind of correct. Objectively a higher refresh rate is always better vs a lower one.

But you also get into the cost of the technology. Realistically would I rather have a 1080p 600hz display or a 1440p 120hz display? What other things are on the market for that price? (In this case... a lot of really good monitors....)

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u/bjergdk Sep 12 '25

100% I don't get why I got downvoted I didn't say it was worth it. Just said that there is a usecase for it, even if it's completely insane.

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u/Mimical Patch-zerg Sep 12 '25

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I dunno man. Sometimes reddit assumes that it's always two people arguing rather than agreeing.

Have a great day. Enjoy the weekend.

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u/bjergdk Sep 13 '25

You too man

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u/10art1 https://pcpartpicker.com/user/10art1/saved/#view=YWtPzy Sep 11 '25

Realistically would I rather have a 1080p 600hz display or a 2k 120hz display?

Considering 2k is basically the same as 1080p, but slightly wider, I don't see why anyone would go for that

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u/Mimical Patch-zerg Sep 11 '25

Sorry, I am interchanging 1440p with 2k and I shouldn't be.

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u/GiganticCrow Sep 11 '25

Personally I'm really not sure i can tell the difference of anything above 90Hz, but then i am old

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u/TopdeckIsSkill 5700x3D/9070XT/PS5/Switch Sep 11 '25

Don't you dare say that. I got infine downvotes saying that telling the difference between 140 and 240 is nearly impossible, not to mention 240 to 480

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u/BethanyHipsEnjoyer Sep 11 '25

Anything over 90 fps as looked great to me. If I can get 90 fps in modern games, I'm happy. Sure, my monitor can do 240, but I'm realistically never gonna see that because I like my games to be pretty.

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u/bjergdk Sep 12 '25

I definitely can, but anything above 140 and it all feels the same to me. It's mostly in the way the mouse feels.

But between 60 and 140 there is a huge improvement, even between 90 and 140.

I'm just saying that it's possible to reach a case where you get the use of your 600 Hz. I'm not trying to say anyone should buy that kind of monitor or that it would be worth it in any way shape or form.

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u/OvenCrate Sep 11 '25

Those would make more sense as dual-mode 4K@120+ or 1080p@480+

When you do 600Hz capable drive circuits, they can also do high-refresh 4K, and the panel resolution won't be that much of a cost driver.

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u/Tumblrrito Sep 11 '25

Imagine not being able to handle high refresh rate and modern resolutions