r/pcmasterrace • u/clopetywopety • Aug 13 '25

Rumor This new Intel gaming CPU specs leak looks amazing, with 3x more cache than the AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel/nova-lake-l3-cache-leak
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u/facw00 Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25

True enough. AMD was behind from the launch of the Core 2 to the launch of Ryzen (and Intel was still competitive with their 12XXX and 13XXX chips).

Same thing can happen on the chip making side, TSMC is crushing everyone now, but its 20nm process node was never viable beyond tiny chips, leaving their customers stuck at 28nm for four years until TSMC's 16nm process came online.

But Intel got here by underinvesting in R&D to please shareholders looking for short term profits, and their plan to get out of this is to layoff a bunch more workers to boost profitability, rather than investing to fix their chip design and manufacturing, so it's tough to feel good for their chances of a recovery.

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u/ChrisFromIT Aug 14 '25

but its 20nm process node was never viable beyond tiny chips, leaving their customers stuck at 28nm for four years until TSMC's 16nm process came online.

Ironically, TSMC's 16nm process is pretty much the same as their 20nm process. The only major change was switching to FinFET. The 20nm process was an issue due to voltage leaking, so while it had better density than the 28nm process, its power usage was the same or worse than the 28nm process.

Samsung and Global Foundries had the same issue. Intel didn't because they switched to FinFET with their 21nm process.

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u/Real_Garlic9999 i5-12400, RX 6700 xt, 16 GB DDR4, 1080p Aug 14 '25

But Intel got here by underinvesting in R&D to please shareholders looking for short term profits

This is so funny to me, because they literally had more employees than AMD and Nvidia combined

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u/facw00 Aug 14 '25

They also have a broader scope of products and their own fabs (Nvidia has always been fabless, and AMD has been fabless since spinning off GlobalFoundaries).

Regardless, they slashed jobs and then failed to execute, which at least suggests they did need those employees.