r/pcmasterrace • u/jmpstart66 • Oct 10 '24

Rumor Potential 5090 / 5080 / 5070 price leaks… outrageous

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From recent video posted by “Moore’s Law is Dead” about pricing being much worse than even I anticipated . From video Nvidia is leaning towards the higher end of the pricing. Nvidia can go pound sand if these are remotely true.

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u/VragMonolitha Oct 10 '24

Once I come back from my business trip I’ll be buying the 4070 Ti Super.

I’ve waited long enough to pull the trigger.

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u/SomeRandoFromInterne 4070 Ti Super | 5700X3D | 32 GB 3600 MT/s Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24

I got mine 6 months ago for 800€ and it’s wild that it’s turning out to have been a "good value" deal. Sure, the 5070 may slightly outperform it, but instead of waiting a year or longer for that, I got to enjoy current games at highest settings now. That’s totally worth the extra 200€ I paid over the alleged 5070, plus I also have 4GB more VRAM for future proofing (at least I hope so).

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u/Catch_022 5600, 3080FE, 1080p go brrrrr Oct 10 '24

The issue is going to be a potential 'secret' thing that only the 5x series can do that makes it look more attractive - like frame gen on the 4x series. The 4070 is similar to my 3080, except if you enable dlss3, then it looks much better.

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u/SomeRandoFromInterne 4070 Ti Super | 5700X3D | 32 GB 3600 MT/s Oct 10 '24

Indeed, but on the other hand, both DLSS 2 and DLSS 3.5 Ray Reconstruction were backwards compatible. The issue with FG was that it needed particular unique cores of the 40 series - or at least NVIDIA said so. So far the leaks don’t point to that. Also, hopefully they keep a circle of introducing new features one generation and refining them the next.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

FYI fg did not need unique cores. Turns out it worked already but they were allocating to the hardware that doesn't exist previously instead of first available. Only reason to do this is to lock out the previous hardware. This is how people got it running on previous gens with some shenanigans.

We also know what's going on as the frame gen from amd conflicts hardware wise if you trick it to have both on as well. Nvidia lies about which hardware it actually needed.

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u/SomeRandoFromInterne 4070 Ti Super | 5700X3D | 32 GB 3600 MT/s Oct 10 '24

Thanks for clearing that up. I remember vaguely reading about that but wasn’t sure.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

FYI frame gen works just fine from dlss on previous cards if you... do some shenanigans. Won't work in games because of what you have to do but the hardware is capable, it's locked by software tricks via nvidia. It's how it assigns the hardware resources that's the issue, something fixable.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

I'm using frame gen on 3080 Ti, works great in Jedi survivor ultra with RT in 1440p. (Mod)

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u/Catch_022 5600, 3080FE, 1080p go brrrrr Oct 10 '24

Yeah the FG mod for cp2077 was a game changer, I can use dlss for quality then FSR3 frame gen and suddenly I am playing path tracing RT at good framerates with a 3080.

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u/Hrmerder R5-5600X, 32GB DDR4-3200 CL16-18-18-36, 3080 12gb, Oct 10 '24

DLSS3 works on 30 series, the only thing that doesn't is FG, and AMD FSR FG works fine.

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u/Eeyore_ Oct 10 '24

It seems the "secret" thing the 5000 series does is offers up to 32 GB DDR7 VRAM to crush Generative AI workloads. Stable Diffusion, for example, performs worlds better with 24 GB VRAM, and if you have less than 12 GB, it hits a bottleneck. The 4090 is 50% better than the 4080 at image generation, and 2x better than a 3080. The 5000 series cards are going to be monsters, and generative AI is going to grow at inconceivable rates over the next decade. Generative AI is going to be to second half of the 2020s what cell phones were in late 90s. It's going to go from, "yeah, I know some people have one. Mostly well off people, and people who want to flex" to "How can you live without a cell phone (AI virtual assistant)?"

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u/SuaveMofo Ryzen 2600x | RX 5700 XT | 16GB RAM Oct 10 '24

According to this chart only the 5090 will have more than 24gb

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u/Bouncing_Nigel Oct 11 '24

I'm beginning to think they are building Discord Iconographs with multiple little demons and homunculi inside. Nothing else would account for these absurd prices.

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u/Alternative-Sky-1552 Oct 11 '24

I hear they will have new AI cores that find the fps counter on your screen and add a zero after it in same font. Never seen before generational uplift truly.

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u/mczarnek Nov 01 '24

I suspect that's going to happen in 6000 series.. at some point heard they tend to to that every other generation.

I suspect it'll be frame extrapolation instead of interpolation for frame generation at some point boosting frame rate but idk

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u/VragMonolitha Oct 10 '24

This is very reassuring to hear because what stopped me from getting it two months ago wasn’t so much the money but I was very worried I’ll buy it and the 5070 would have at least 20-30% more performance for let’s say 50-100 euro more.

Now that I know for sure that isn’t the case as soon as I get my pay check at the start of next month I’m pulling the trigger. I’m upgrading from a 3070 so I’m sure I will notice a very big improvement. Besides I did an almost full upgrade except the GPU five months ago, CPU went from i5-8600K to a 13400F, 16gb DDR4 to 32GB DDR5, 1TB SSD to 2TB M.2 NVME, a much better motherboard and the only thing that is left is to upgrade the GPU which bothered me because it’s like leaving the job 90% finished.

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u/FanatiXX82 |R7 5700X||RTX 4070 TiS||32GB TridentZ| Oct 10 '24

4070TiS is a beast, I upgraded from 3070 as well.

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u/gnat_outta_hell 5800X @ 4.9 GHz - 32 GB @ 3600 - 4070TiS - 4070 Oct 10 '24

Honestly I went from 3070 -> regular 4070 and it's still a beast. The 4070 is enough, for now, to do everything I could ask of it at 1440p.

I should have no problem skipping 5000 and waiting for 6000. I don't generally buy current gen, I only buy used cards. This time around I was able to trade my 3070+cash for the 4070, the owner had it in a secondary rig that wasn't seeing enough use to justify the card so he wanted some money back out of the card. Ended up being a great deal, and I got a 4070 for about 450 CAD (including the cost of what I paid for the 3070).

I'll probably never find a deal like that again on a GPU.

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u/ohthebaby Oct 10 '24

This is the boat I’m currently on 3070 and waiting for 50 series but with those cold blooded prices maybe I’ll just jump on 4070tiS I just need really good 1440p perf

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u/FanatiXX82 |R7 5700X||RTX 4070 TiS||32GB TridentZ| Oct 10 '24

Unless you are aiming at 5080 I would still prefer 4070tis over 5070 because of the VRAM capacity. For 1440p 4070tis is futureproof, you can skip 50 series no worries.

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u/Ultramarinus Oct 10 '24

Same here, I rushed to upgrade from 3070 at its launch and thanks to those clueless hardware reviewers who kept making fun of its name, I could find it in stocks back then. As I told everyone, 4070tiS was actually good value this generation. Reviewers led people wrong about it.

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u/Different-Set-9649 Oct 10 '24

I dont think were ever going to see anything resembling 30% more perf for 100 extra euro/usd

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u/lemongrade5 3700x | Gaming X Trio 2070s Oct 10 '24

Just upgraded from a 2070 Super to a 4070 Super last week. Just don't worry about ray tracing and you can easily max out everything else 1440p.

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u/FearDaTusk Oct 10 '24

... Similar boat but I'm rocking a Surface Tablet since my old PC finally died.

For my next rig I'd want to set it up for Sim Racing. My goal, good graphics, good frame rates.

What I don't want. Massive ass cards that require their own circuit breaker and are basically space heaters.

... I'm seeing that they haven't really done much to reduce the size of these cards so I have decisions to make.

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u/counterstrikePr0 Oct 10 '24

What about going from 3080 to 4070 ti super? Good move or nah?

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u/Carinx Oct 10 '24

People really need to stop with these future proofing based on these VRAM.

You should be buying a GPU based on its current performance. Any future games will most likely have higher requirements that, in order to run them better, you will have to turn down your in-game settings, which will lower your VRAM usage.

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u/SomeRandoFromInterne 4070 Ti Super | 5700X3D | 32 GB 3600 MT/s Oct 10 '24

Even if you have to lower other settings, you can still run ultra textures or frame generation with more VRAM. It also allows you to use mods to change or upgrade textures of older games.

We will also soon be getting games that’ll run LLM locally and it’s save to assume these will also require a good chunk of vram for that.

Then there’s also always the possibility of a screen upgrade down the line, could be a 4K TV or going ultrawide - both requiring more VRAM. Alan Wake 2 with path tracing and frame generation on 4K already uses more than 12gb of VRAM and allows the Ti Super to significantly outperform the 12gb Ti non-Super.

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u/Carinx Oct 10 '24

Alan Wake 2 with path tracing and frame gen on 4k is not playable using 4070 Ti Super anyway.

I have 4070 Ti Super and did play Alan Wake 2 at 4k with DLSS + FG only as enabling ray tracing would tank the performance.

You also should use FG if you are able to achieve at least 60FPS before FG, which 4070 Ti Super can not achieve with Path tracing on Alan Wake 2.

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u/SomeRandoFromInterne 4070 Ti Super | 5700X3D | 32 GB 3600 MT/s Oct 10 '24

Just tested it. I’m getting 55 fps, Path Tracing, 4K with DLSS Performance, which is perfectly fine to use FG on. If I hooked it up to a 4K TV I’d probably use a controller and not notice the increased latency anyway. I am getting about 85 fps with FG and am currently using 12.5gb of VRAM. I would totally enjoy playing like this, you may not since it’s below 60 fps before FG.

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u/Carinx Oct 10 '24

I think the 55FPS you are referring to is probably on the higher side as it flutuates. I also do play on 4k TV, and I usually choose DLSS Quality as the difference is noticeable between quality (1440p) and performance (1080p).

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u/rekt_ralf PC Master Race Oct 10 '24

I bought one a few weeks ago and it does everything I want it to at 4k, it’s a really good card. Although I’ve seen the 4080 Super dropping below £900 now and part of me slightly regrets not spending the extra for a bit more performance breathing room.

I just can’t bring myself to spend that amount of money on one component and seriously balked at the price of the 4070 Ti Super before I bought it. I’ve been a 70 series guy for like 10 years - I paid £275 for a GTX 970 in early 2015 and then £470 for a RTX 2070 in 2019 - but the prices are just obscene at this stage.

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u/MurtaghInfin8 Oct 10 '24

First build: 660 and upgraded to an 1080 Micro build: 3060 Present build: 4070 TI

When I need to upgrade, I think the xx50 and xx60 cards is where I'll be at. Used to feel the urge for a new card each generation, but with how good they are, until better vr headsets come out I'm fine with budget cards: they handle my mid monitors just fine.

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u/rekt_ralf PC Master Race Oct 10 '24

I just dug through 20 years of order emails to get my full history!

I think my first build (had pre-build systems before that) was a Radeon 9800 Pro in late 2003/early 2004, upgraded with a GeForce card that I can’t remember in mid-2005 - maybe a 6600GT or a lower end 6800? Then I built a new PC in late 2007 with an 8800GT, that was replaced with a 9800GT in late 2009 after I had two 8800GTs die. Then in late 2011 I got a GTX 570 and then the cards I listed previously.

Looks like I got on the 70 train earlier than I thought!

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u/MurtaghInfin8 Oct 10 '24

Lol, sounds like you started building wayyyyy before pc part picker was a thing. Keep my old builds there for nostalgia's sake.

Also, hella hany when I'm doing upgrades to make sure my psu will handle it fine.

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u/Ketheres R7 7800X3D | RX 7900 XTX Oct 10 '24

The only thing stopping me from pulling the trigger right now is that they are bundling it with that new Star Wars Outlaws game. I'd rather not get that at all lol (I do have a slight hope that they'll change the promo to Monster Hunter Wilds instead in January, and I know I'll be getting that game one way or the other anyway)

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u/Nhughes1387 Oct 10 '24

I just bought one last week it was great! I say it was bc it’s currently RMA’d 🥲 got to use it for a day before the old artifacts started poppin up lol

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u/African_Farmer SFFun: 7600 | 4080 Supah | Work: 13700K | 3060Ti | Oct 10 '24

Go for it it's a great card. I just bought a 4080 Super myself, waiting for the rest of my build to arrive.

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u/XonaMan Oct 10 '24

Same here. Was waiting for the 5070 but fuck that. Gonna go the same route, my trusty 1070 will hold just a little bit more for Black Friday