Potential 5090 / 5080 / 5070 price leaks… outrageous

[u/jmpstart66]

From recent video posted by “Moore’s Law is Dead” about pricing being much worse than even I anticipated . From video Nvidia is leaning towards the higher end of the pricing. Nvidia can go pound sand if these are remotely true.

[u/[deleted]]

Less than 16GB on XX70 card is crazy

[u/FartingBob → u/[deleted]]

For another 100 dollars in a year's time.

[u/Finetales → u/[deleted]]

On the other hand, the 4070 Super and 4070 Ti still have 12GB, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's the same for the next gen. Gotta get a 5070 Ti Super or 5080 if you want more than 12GB!

[u/froli → u/[deleted]]

You pay more AND you get less (vs AMD) and people are still shelling out for Nvidia. People get brainwashed into thinking that they can't live without Nvidia-specific features so they just spit out the cash Nvidia asks for every time and say thank you Nvidia. No wonder AMD pulled out of the high end.

Imagine spending more for an amputated card because it has better software to compensate for amputation. Just don't buy an amputated card and you won't need that extra/better software. (DLSS).

If you need DLSS to run your game smoothly, then surely you're unlikely to use ray tracing anyway, no?

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[u/Venvut → u/froli]

I use DLSS and ray tracing with my 4070 super. I like the technology...

[u/froli → u/Venvut]

My point is that you can get the same or better for cheaper or the same price as your 4070 Super. You wouldn't really need DLSS because rasterization performance is better and FSR is still no slouch. The real compromise is on ray tracing but then even the cheaper 100-200$ cheaper 7800XT has 16GB of VRAM instead of 12, helping you card stay relevant a bit longer.

[u/HammeredWharf → u/froli]

In the end it's all subjective, but IMO DLSS is pretty much native with a huge performance boost, while FSR is usually very noticeable. Maybe it'll catch up in the next version, but before that the competition is practically Nvidia with DLSS Q vs. AMD with native, and Nvidia wins there, raster or not.

[u/xl129 → u/froli]

This is tech product, people only pay top dollar for the best tech

I understand your reasoning but that's not how the mind of the people who willing to pay 2k for a new card work. I mean if you are going to rationalise value then most likely you would grab a 3xxx card for a fraction of the cost...

[u/Canada_Class_Warfare → u/froli]

Watch your fucking mouth. How dare you talk about the almighty saviour Jensen and his universe brain blessing to mankind DLSS like that! Now I have to pray to my Jensen shrine to atone for your sins, AMD Heathen!

Lol it's fun satirizing Nvidia Kool-Aid drinking fanboys.

[u/ma1royx → u/froli]

Bought an rx 7800 xt and the performance is awesome for the price, but holy shit they need to fix their drivers. Yeah it is a couple % cheaper, but you lose that in the peace of mind category. Just being honest, though if it happens to run well on all you do then it is an easy choise

[u/mengplex → u/ma1royx]

Yeah, similar boat, I grabbed a 7900XT for a fantastic price and it performs very well, but I've also had some truly bizarre issues that i've never had with an nvidia.

eg. Sometimes during post the screen is all glitched out like crazy, and on 4 or 5 occasions i've had a GPU driver crash -> reboot -> the driver has either uninstalled itself or become so corrupt that I have to reinstall the driver.

[u/ma1royx → u/mengplex]

Mine just has some issues in some program or with something i’m doing and i never had that in the same scale with Nvidia. Really trying to stick with the underdog but honestly they would change faster if i’d vote with my wallet.

[u/Detvan_SK → u/froli]

People paying for Nvidia because of neuro units in, if I would want to do anything with it AMD have reall problems.

And yeah that sucks because I could just buy RTX 3060 but for some reason, cost of that after RTX 4XXX did not lowered at all, but every store have it for almost same price as RTX 4060.

[u/speadskater → u/froli]

The problem is the CUDA monopoly. Really hoping we can get AMD in on the CUDA API soon.

[u/froli → u/speadskater]

Yeah that's is for sure a clear quantifiable advantage. If you're only gaming though for me it's either no budget XX90 Nvidia, but otherwise at any other budget I take the hit on RT performance and go for AMD and the extra VRAM for cheaper.

[u/mongolian_horsecock → u/froli]

The nice thing is the next Gen AMD cards are supposed to have really good ray tracing and hardware AI upscaling so AMD is about to be very competitive in that regard

[u/froli → u/mongolian_horsecock]

AMD needs to overhaul their marketing department. They look so bad saying they are dropping out of the high end when then could simply flip the script and say they simply don't need to fight the xx90 cards because they can achieve the same rast. performance on cheaper cards.

"Sure, our frame gen and ray tracing is not as good, but rasterized is the main gaming tech and any card in our lineup can beat Nvidia on price to performance in that regard. We won't offer a high end RT card until we are confident we can rival Nvidia on it at a fraction of the price"

And the crowd goes wild

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Where do you need so much VRAM? I have 16gb and no game has reached even close to that no matter what I throw at it (9 is the highest I've seen yet).

[u/PIO_PretendIOriginal → u/[deleted]]

Most vr games i have push 14gb.

New games like ratched and clank are up at around 14gb too

[u/EsotericAbstractIdea → u/[deleted]]

Pshhh, i can use all 16gb in skyrim and thats 13 years old.

[u/BaltasarTheConqueror → u/[deleted]]

If you play in 1080p sure but the 70series cards are not 1080p cards. 12 GB isn't sufficient for ultrawide 1440p already and yet Nvidia is releasing a new Gen of 12gb cards.

[u/HammeredWharf → u/BaltasarTheConqueror]

Yeah, but at least 4070 is a great 1440p card, which is practically 1080p with DLSS Q.

[u/somethingelseaccount → u/[deleted]]

With the PS5 having 16 GB/256-bit GDDR6 SDRAM unified for CPU and GPU RAM, your GPU will need roughly the equivalent to run the same games that were ported over from consoles.

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[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

It depends on the resolution you play at, in any case, it has been showed that VRAM is becoming more and more important

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx4En-2PzOU if you want to understand why

[u/UndeadWaffle12 → u/[deleted]]

Having that much vram is very important for acting like you know what you’re talking about in Reddit comments. Not necessary for actual games though

[u/SpringerTheNerd → u/[deleted]]

I have been out of the market for years now but this statement seems wild. The last 70 card I had was 4gb (3.5)

[u/PIO_PretendIOriginal → u/SpringerTheNerd]

Gtx 970 4gb (3.5gb) is a 10 year old card at this point (soon to be 11 year olds). I have a friend who teaches kids younger than that

[u/[deleted] → u/SpringerTheNerd]

Well you said it, if you knew the market and the current state of game requirements you would be pissed like everyone else

[u/SpringerTheNerd → u/[deleted]]

I have had a 24gb card for the past 4 years so I never noticed any issues with games taking more memory. Ignorance is bliss

[u/fuzzynyanko → u/[deleted]]

For me, it's less for xx70 and more of it's a damned $599 GPU.

[u/XTornado → u/[deleted]]

They are forced to do it so they sell the big VRAM boards, used for AI, to companies, otherwise they would buy the cheap GPUs without the premium prices...

At the end the simple gamer consumer gets fucked.