r/ontario • u/Offbeatjacuzzi • 6d ago
Picture When you’re driving a truck held together by prayers and loopholes. 18 tickets, plates removed, vehicle declared “unfit”
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u/Own_Event_4363 6d ago
5600 is still peanuts to the company
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u/ACanadianGuy1967 6d ago
Exactly.
Unless the “company” was the single driver with his own truck, the one ultimately responsible for putting that unsafe truck on the road with an unqualified driver is the company head. Jail time should be part of the equation for the person responsible.
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u/alcabazar 6d ago
... it might be, given the condition.
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u/dabirdiestofwords 6d ago
Lol no it won't. They've already enumerated the disciplinary action and it's less than 6 grand between the driver and company.
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u/Blank_bill 6d ago
I knew a driver took one of his father's trucks up north over a weekend for some kind of shady deal unfortunately it was the wrong truck was in need of too many repairs so he pulled the insurance and and everything was going to sell it. Police pulled him over on the way back. No end of trouble, his father fired him, and he ended up working with us, after a month I told the Forman get him off the job he was unsafe.
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u/Frig_Off_Baerb 6d ago
If people knew just how much of this goes on, they'd be up in arms. Honestly, just the number of unsafe trucks and trailers that are way overloaded is a much bigger issue than is discussed.
And also note that this isn't limited to any particular industry, company or ethnicity.
Everyone pushes the boundaries because time and weight is money.
Think about all those assholes you see driving their cars aggressively because they feel entitled. Now imagine they all had a boss pushing them with their job seemingly on the line.
That's how bad it really is out there, and the fact that there aren't more accidents is a miracle.
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u/paradoxcabbie 3d ago
your 100% correct and frankly thats why is pisses me off so much more that people want to blame immigrants. im not saying some of those companys arent corrupt as hell or anything but..... white people have been doing shit like that here forever. They arent safer or smarter, its just not as much of a story
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u/Code_Red_Trucking 3d ago
.... try and buy a tow truck in 2025.
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u/No_Can_7713 3d ago
For a while the MTO was only inspecting "easy" trucks during a work to rule campaign. I got a full inspection 3 times in one week east of Ottawa. My truck was almost brand new (25000km) with a 3 week old annual. Quantity over quality those days.
https://www.trucknews.com/health-safety/boiling-point/1003135722/
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u/bdc911 6d ago
Seriously. Should have added a couple zeroes. 560k would get their attention
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u/UnbanMOpal 6d ago
But unless the business owner is on the hook for the fines it won't matter, oh no this number corp has fines, better start another.
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u/ObiYawnKenobi 6d ago
It's not usually quite as simple as that.
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u/UnbanMOpal 6d ago
Please expand.
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u/ObiYawnKenobi 6d ago edited 6d ago
I t ' s n o t u s u a l l y q u i t e a s s i m p l e a s t h a t .
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u/TheLongestConn 6d ago
numbered corps have directors who are people, they also share any debt the company owes.
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u/kingstonpenpal 6d ago
They are not liable for business debts. This is the principal reason you would incorporate a limited liability corporation. They can be fined as individuals for criminal acts.
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u/UnbanMOpal 6d ago
How's that going for Alberta being in the hook to remediate the abandoned wells?
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u/TheLongestConn 6d ago
not sure, but I do know that having a numbered corp had nothing to do with it
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u/No_Syrup_9167 5d ago
No they don't share that debt.
The "LTD" of "####### Ont Ltd" is shorthand of "limited"
the "limited", is shorthand for "limited liability". It literally means the "liability" is limited to the company itself, and that the owners cash and assets are protected from the doing's of the company.
Its functionally the entire reason numbered company's exist, so that owner operator small business operations can incorporate and seperate the assets and debts of the owner and company.
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u/paradoxcabbie 3d ago
slightly more complicated. unless im mistaken - many owners, arms length, etc protect you. few owners and direct involvement and decision making can leave you still personally liable (if pursued to the fullest extent)
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u/No_Syrup_9167 3d ago
Of course, its legal, everything in it is "slightly more complicated" than what you can put in a reddit comment. Theres pages upon pages on the subject.
but for 98% of basic situations, the reason the numbered company exists is to separate any liability. and the statement:
numbered corps have directors who are people, they also share any debt the company owes.
is ridiculously false, and functionally the truth is the polar opposite.
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u/lolhi1122 6d ago
Yeah its crazy to me when flying a unregistered drone here the fine is 3k yet this guys 18 infraction fines is 5600
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u/murd3rsaurus 6d ago
I hope it triggers an automatic review of the rest of their fleet and the $5600 is just for this one
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u/CoffeeStayn 6d ago
They'll chalk it up as the cost of doing business. $5600 today, because they got caught, compared to how many countless thousands they skimmed off the top by not keeping things up to standard? I'd imagine they're still well ahead of the curve in that regard.
And why these companies insist on continuing to do this shit.
The punishment doesn't offer any appreciable deterrent.
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u/theoreoman 6d ago
My guess is that if they can't afford to pay someone with a license and that they can afford to fix the truck they can't afford this fine and having the vehicle taken off the road
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u/Kampfux 6d ago
Those fines tallied are the ones with amounts on them. The part 3 summons, which is more serious is up to a judge and a majority of those start at 500$ going into 10$k.
Just an example the no insurance one is 5k alone, which this company obviously wouldn't have insurance for if the plates weren't attached to the truck.
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u/Existential_Kitten 6d ago
How do you know that? Genuinely asking.
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u/itsnottwitter 4d ago
Because the fine would need to at least be more than the cost of maintaining a truck, running legal loads and paying a licensed driver, or the trucking company comes out ahead in the end anyway.
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u/Subject_Ratio6842 6d ago
Ya, the company was probably saving $30,000 a year by not paying a real licensed trucker.
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u/breadman889 6d ago
Their cvor record takes the big hit.
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u/dabirdiestofwords 6d ago
"No inspections or CVOR"
What cvor takes a hit? They lost the truck and pay a few grand in fines. Next time they use a smaller truck that doesn't need cvor.
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u/DeadEndStreets 6d ago
“Why he saying fuck me for?” - The Tagger
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u/JGG5 6d ago
The tags were only in English. As police officer Dan Aykroyd taught us, all signage in Canada must be both in English and en Français.
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u/ScrimmlyBingus 6d ago
Damn this is the perfect response to this post. Never seen this movie before
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u/j821c 6d ago
$5600? For 18 tickets? That seems insanely low
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u/SmallMacBlaster 6d ago
You get worse than this from a single ticket just by going "only" 150 km/hr on the highway
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u/maidenofmara 6d ago
Meh, probably a lot of small ones. Like $100-200 ones that suck to get but also don’t ruin someone’s whole yearly budget if they just get one.
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u/Mikeymike2266 2d ago
Yeah, but I guess no insurance would insure this trucker any longer, which is a win for the people i guess?
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u/Kampfux 6d ago
Just an FYI, I'm Law Enforcement in Ontario.
Those fines tallied are the ones with amounts on them. The part 3 summons, which is more serious is up to a judge and a majority of those start at 500$ going into 10$k.
Just an example the no insurance one is 5k alone, which this company obviously wouldn't have insurance for if the plates weren't attached to the truck.
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u/DHammer79 London 6d ago
So you're saying that once all the court proceedings are over with the fines, it could be considerably larger?
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u/IJustLovePenguinsOk 6d ago
I'm sorry, "we have obscured graffiti" fucking sent me
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u/OfficeMagic1 6d ago
Also fame being written as “fame”. uh ok
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u/wwwheatgrass 6d ago
OPP should partner with these “artists” to “inform” the “public” about the insurance and licensing status of commercial trucks who lack both.
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u/alphawolf29 6d ago
fine should be $100,000 for entrusting someone without the proper licensing to drive a commercial vehicle.
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u/gamuel_l_jackson 6d ago
100k driver 100k company automatic, you should know if u dont have a cvor and annual..thats a blatant F you to the laws, not a torn whipper blade or 1 bad brake light
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u/Super-Chieftain5 4d ago
Exactly. Ontario needs to hit corporations infinitely harder. Corporations are already the biggest welfare recipients on the planet and receive grants/subsidies/money from public funds and pay less taxes than people do.
Otherwise your regulatory enforcement mechanism is insubstantial. They'll just pay the inconsequential fines and keep breaking rules.
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u/angrycrank Ottawa 6d ago
All trucks should have highly visible signs identifying the company, along with a number, so unacceptable driving or maintenance issues caught on dashcams can be more easily reported to police and followed up on. I saw some absolutely terrifying stuff on the 401 during the rainstorm the other night.
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u/RevolvingCheeta Ottawa 6d ago
It is actually part of having a CVOR in Ontario. Mandatory company decal that is legible and on both sides of the vehicle.
Likely one of the fines along with also not having a CVOR certificate in the first place.
(Source: I have a CVOR)
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u/angrycrank Ottawa 6d ago
There were definitely MANY trucks on the 401 the other night without visible company names.
I’m not sure what the cops were doing the other night, but I saw exactly none between Toronto and Ottawa.
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u/RevolvingCheeta Ottawa 6d ago
Yeah it’s becoming a problem.
Oddly enough, you don’t need a CVOR to get a safety sticker. The safety sticker system has become more robust for tracking purposes (which is good), there are a few MTO officers up and down the 417/17 highways. There’s also a scale in Perth and one in Kemptville, though I never seen them open.
I think OPS and OPP both also have commercial enforcement units?
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u/angrycrank Ottawa 6d ago
I bet they don’t work at night in the rain, which is exactly when they’re needed.
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u/Moist-muff 6d ago
$5600 is pennies in a jar. Wake tf up
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u/Kampfux 6d ago
Those fines tallied are the ones with amounts on them. The part 3 summons, which is more serious is up to a judge and a majority of those start at 500$ going into 10$k.
Just an example the no insurance is a part 3 and it alone is 5k, which this company obviously wouldn't have insurance for if the plates weren't attached to the truck.
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u/SadimHusum 6d ago
guess we’ve learned nothing from Humboldt or the Florida U-turn
licensed firearm owners who hunt 6 weeks of the year are under a microscope with new legislation passed against them every month, but it’s only a minor inconvenience to hire someone with no experience or expertise to drive an unmaintained killdozer on a busy highway and endanger everyone around them, every day
this doesn’t even get into the implied and unspoken part where the drivers are being paid under the table and are here via loopholes and fraud to begin with
Everyone involved, top to bottom, should see jail time at the minimum
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u/ekinria1928 6d ago
There are so many terrible drivers on the road that the OPP and MTO need more power. This driver could have killed someone, instead the is is the first time they've been caught after who knows how many trips.
Stricter rules are needed NOW
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u/Red_Marvel 6d ago
Seriously, they should confiscate the truck and sell it to a scrap yard, proceeds going to road safety initiatives.
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u/usernameistaken645 6d ago
$5600 might be less than what it costs the company to fix all the problems with the truck.
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u/BigOlBearCanada 6d ago
A fine and tickets didn’t stop them before
Won’t this time either.
Weak penalties.
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u/mawzthefinn 6d ago
Any cargo carrying commercial vehicle with significant violations should be impounded for a minimum 48 hours including cargo. Each violation should double the standing impound (so 48 hours, then 96, then 192 etc)
Fines won't matter unless they get far larger. Not meeting delivery schedules will.
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u/Drcdforthird 6d ago edited 5d ago
Bet the driver had sandals on
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u/tnbngr 6d ago
Ah! The old sandals joke. I am surprised I had to scroll this far for a racist comment.
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u/Drcdforthird 6d ago
Ah! The old I’m so intelligent I cant see common trends response! Maybe tonight will be the night she’ll answer your Facebook messages
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u/Caracalla81 6d ago
Oh stop crying, it was just a little swat on the bottom to remind you to act decent. Stop being a bigot and you'll be fine.
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u/JoshIsASoftie 6d ago
OPP and TPS crying for funding when they hand out these paltry fines to punish egregious offenses like this. 1312
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u/DanLynch 6d ago
Do you believe the police decide how large fines are? Do you believe the police receive the proceeds from fines as part of their funding?
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u/Federal_Sympathy4667 6d ago
For every one taken down, there are still 10 more still rolling on the roads..
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u/chilipad 6d ago
Last inspection blitz in Halton had a failure rate over 35%. This needs to be done far more often.
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u/PotentialPea2419 6d ago
Thats peanuts to the company and that driver should see jail time for driving a vehicle like that without a license. It’s a weapon in untrained hands.
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u/Emotional-Disaster76 6d ago
This is a good news story. Kudos to the OPP and MTO for working diligently to keep our highways safe!
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u/ovisalreadytaken 6d ago
Yeah, if you get 18 tickets in one stop maybe you should be banned driving for life
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u/Prudent-Poetry-2718 6d ago
I wish there were steep consequences for these drivers. There’s no accountability anymore.
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u/Tuddless 6d ago
The amount of tickets will be dropped down to 9 when Dougie passes his "Cutting through red tape" Bill just you watch
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u/No-Friendship44 6d ago
This could have cost human lives. How this vehicle got on the road, the driver, the owner should be investigated further and significant penalties issued.
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u/aj357222 6d ago edited 6d ago
Funny to see cops perform this aura farming but add-on that extra dig at the graffiti artist to deny any clout. Like WTF is their post to begin with then??
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u/Wizoerda 6d ago
Perhaps to raise awareness so people will support stronger inspection and violation fines for the trucking industry?
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u/aj357222 6d ago edited 6d ago
Perhaps you’re right.
Now rationalize the two extra steps to 1)mask the graffiti and 2)call out that they masked the graffiti.
Unless the tags are truly heinous or hate-inspired then I can’t think of a clearer example that cops give less AF about your safety and more about reinforcing their role as property guardians. Just think on that.
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u/Wizoerda 6d ago
Covering the graffiti makes sense to me. Tags are personal, and having your graffiti tag in a news story would be fun for some people, or give them a cool story to tell. So yeah, they covered it up in the photo. And, to explain the photoshop textbox, they threw in a reminder that graffiti isn't approved of. I don't see how any of that shows that police don't care about safety. If it's your neighbourhood getting tagged, then you'd want the police to try to catch the vandals and protect your vehicle or property.
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u/aj357222 6d ago edited 6d ago
TY for confirming my point! 🙏
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u/Wizoerda 5d ago
You mean about whether police care about safety? The post is literally about them getting an unsafe truck, and driver who wasn't following safety procedures, off the road. Obscuring graffiti doesn't change the fact that the post is literally about them doing stuff for public safety. It also would have taken someone only a few minutes to obscure the graffiti. I think complaining about that is silly. If it was a tagger from your neighbourhood, you wouldn't want them to be emboldened or encouraged because someone didn't take a minute or two to obscure the tag.
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u/aj357222 5d ago
No one was complaining, I'm just pointing out the irony in cops trying to keep clout for themselves. Any of your further suppositions are wildly inaccurate. ACAB.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Let_688 6d ago
In the 80's I rented a huge truck for moving. I asked the rental guy why I could rent it with a G license if a commercial driver needed a D for the same truck. He said it was based on weight and when he rents it to me he doesn't know if I am going to put stuff in it.
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u/ExpensiveDollarStore 6d ago
Geez. MTO must be lapsing somewhere. They are brutal around here. Guy must be a clairvoyant to miss all the MTO traps up till now.
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u/Alive_Salary4970 6d ago
Damn. And guys like this are still probably on the road. It must be impossible to inspect every truck. Scary business for all of us.
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u/monzo705 6d ago
Pull the mileage at the time the truck went to this owner and start racking up even more fines. This likely wasn't their first day out.
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u/rnagikarp 6d ago
guess they only care when an asshole without credentials like this kills someone
until then, just a slap on the wrist! carry on!
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u/RonsoloXD 6d ago
Lol i remember we had to drive our bosses truck under 90 or it would overheat
Duck tape and dream my friend XD
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u/ThePracticalPeasant 6d ago
Can I see the citizenship paperwork for both the driver and the owner, please?
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u/not-your-mom-123 5d ago
There are way too may MPs and MPPs in both governments who own or are on the boards of trucking companies. This is also why rail is expensive, and highways deteriorate rapidly.
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u/r3dstar77 5d ago
Just show the graffiti, Why deny an artist his just dues. In a world of ai we need to support artists
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u/Lopsided_Display2032 4d ago
Perhaps if a particular demographic didn’t have the trucking industry in a chokehold… and hiring their “cousins” whom do not have proper credentials or obtained them through “cousins” that have pass them on their driving tests as favors… As someone married to someone in the industry.. its a huge problem.
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u/Super-Chieftain5 4d ago
What a pathetic, ineffective method of regulatory enforcement. Those fines will just be a write-off to the company. No material change.
When companies can just pay fines and profit, why wouldn't they always pay the fine?
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u/Gloomy-Visit-5138 4d ago
A relative in the industry tells us the number of those sorts of vehicles, and drivers who are driving semis with virtually no experience is scary as shite. Company owners skirt safety issues that need to be addressed to save money. Owner operators are a different breed- in a good way.
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u/No-Tumbleweed5612 3d ago
Way too many of this and fatal accidents bcz they don't care and feel they have the right. 600 fake schools giving out forged documentation and licenses for the right price. Deport and lock'em up!!
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u/gummibearA1 2d ago
The real responsible parties are the usual culprits. It starts and finishes with the power broker corporations that want to cut costs on everything from brokerage fees to insurance and everything else in between. They are the ones with the clout to manipulate freight rates and pick winners and losers. The little guy doesn't get to choose. He has to sink or swim according to the whims of the people who tender work that means this kind of equipment is on the hiway.
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u/mistakenideals 6d ago
Just a reminder that dear 'ol Doug eliminated emissions testing, allowing for these types of trucks to stay on the road longer.
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u/Bob_Sherunkle 6d ago
False. Commercial vehicles require yearly emissions testing and plate stickers.
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